Touche Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 I like French names. This guy I went on a date with is taking pills to try to quit but when we were out he wanted to smoke. Isn't that dangerous? like more dangerous than just smoking? So you just happen to like French names? Hmmmm...... No, it's not more dangerous necessarily. It just depends how much he smoked before. One can't say. But do you have a problem if he's not smoking and just taking pills to try to stop?
jcster Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 And I hate to make generalizations here but.....smokers are more likely to have other unhealthy habits too...such as fast food...stuff like that. I think that there are a lot of people who should feel very lucky that self satisfaction and knee jerk judgementalism aren't carcinogenic!
Touche Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 I think that there are a lot of people who should feel very lucky that self satisfaction and knee jerk judgementalism aren't carcinogenic! Well said! Thank you.
oppath Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 It is true that higher-educated people in more technical jobs are less likely to smoke. Few graduate students I know smoke. In general, I probably don't have a lot in common with smokers. But I don't smoke, I exercise 5 times a week, and I have a wicked burrito habbit and masturbate several times a week, so I have my vices too. I prefer not to date a smoker. For me it comes down to...when they are with me, are they going to excuse themselves for 5 minutes to go smoke? That is unacceptable to me in the initial stages of dating. I can date smokers but only if they exercise, eat healthy, and they smoke infrequently, so that they could go half a day, spending it with me, without the need to smoke. Now, for me to be engaged or marry a woman, she could not smoke. If I were to make a commitment to someone for life, she would need to make a commitment to her life. But I am willing to date and enter a relationship with a smoker as long as it is clear that their addictive habit is not more important than me. I get around that by being addictive myself! To the OP: he is trying to quit, right? Then DATE HIM. Tell him that you generally dislike smokers, but you admire him trying to quit, and that you'd like to date him, just that you'd rather him not smoke while on a date with you.
Touche Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 I tell ya...a burrito (pffffftttt) and masturbation habit would be more of a problem to me than a smoking habit. But that's just me.
oppath Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Burritos in SoCal are good. I'm not sure what burritos you have had. $3.50 for a burrito as big as your head, full of marinated steak and quacamole. Mmmmmm. I've got multiple burrito habbits; it's not limited to a pink burrito. But smoking? Let's just say I want my lungs to be pink when they fry me!
isntitironic Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Smoking is no differnt then anything else you would like to change about somebody. They have to want to change it. Not for you for themselves.
Krytie TV Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Just going by tons and tons of them I've seen and known. Can't say I've ever known one that's eating tofu and is a jogger. Most I've known, like fast food or high fat food and dont exercise. Just my experience. In my experience, which means it's absolutely true, I have found that nonsmokers are highly opinionated people who also tend to look down on other people for things that they do. They also tend to make baseless correlations between smoking and being a fat slob with no healthy habits whatsoever as well as being generally worthless). If I smoked, I would never date a nonsmoker... they're very obnoxious and self-righteous.
Touche Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 In my experience, which means it's absolutely true, I have found that nonsmokers are highly opinionated people who also tend to look down on other people for things that they do. They also tend to make baseless correlations between smoking and being a fat slob with no healthy habits whatsoever as well as being generally worthless). If I smoked, I would never date a nonsmoker... they're very obnoxious and self-righteous. Touche'
uniqueone Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Really? And whom might that be? Hmmm.... As for Unique. You're mistaken. My H and I both smoke. Yep, we do. But we also look at least 10 years younger than our ages (or so we've been told.) We actually do eat tofu. Can you believe it? YIKES! We also take vitamins. And we're quite active. We garden. My H goes on hikes with our son and Boy Scouts all the time. We camp. We bike. We're always working on things around our house and property. I cook things that actually are fresh and not out of a box or can. Imagine that? Yes, we smoke and drink though. :eek: We're horrible. That's great that you do. Some people DO have the genetics to beat the odds (the aging part) I am curious though....why would you take vitamins and eat healthy food? You're dying inside. You're ingesting poisen everyday. That's like taking cyanide with a vitamin. I've seen what lung cancer does. It's not pretty. It's really....REALLY not pretty. I've seen them gasping for air. Do you know what it's like to feel like you're drowning? The bad part is, you've been protected from the consequences so far so you feel invincible. You can go for awhile without seeing any bad results--especially if you have good genes. But once it catches up with you, it catches up really fast....and you're nearing the age where it's going to catch up with you.....you only get so long to coast with bad habits. You have a son...what is that teaching him? What about the secondhand smoke he gets from it? Why are you so defensive of smokers? That tells me that you are trying to justify it to yourself. I don't need an answer. You don't have to justify it to me or defend it to me. I DO recommend that you watch someone go through dying of lung cancer and you might change your mind.
uniqueone Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 In my experience, which means it's absolutely true, I have found that nonsmokers are highly opinionated people who also tend to look down on other people for things that they do. They also tend to make baseless correlations between smoking and being a fat slob with no healthy habits whatsoever as well as being generally worthless). If I smoked, I would never date a nonsmoker... they're very obnoxious and self-righteous. See my previous post. It's counter-productive to exercise and eat healthy and then smoke. Why bother? If someone smokes, then they don't care about their health. That's a GIVEN. You cannot dispute that. You cannot show me a smoker who cares about their health. If they cared about their health, they wouldn't smoke. Smoking kills...that's a fact. It's not a matter of IF....it's a matter of WHEN. And there is absolutely no way that a person who smokes can FEEL healthy. They can THINK that they do, but they won't know what feeling healthy really feels like until they quit. Self-righteous? That's like saying I'm self righteous because I don't want my neighbor to take some cyanide in his coffee.
melodymatters Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Just to set the record straight, the new non smoking drug Chantix, seems to have a good success rate, and yes, you can smoke while you are on it. I just got that info from my good pal who's a medical doctor. Just remember automobiles give off WAY more carbon monixide and harmful chemicals that cigarettes, and no one is trying to outlaw THEM.
Art_Critic Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Just remember automobiles give off WAY more carbon monixide and harmful chemicals that cigarettes, and no one is trying to outlaw THEM. MM.. we don't put our lips on the tailpipe of a car and suck in the smoke then blow it in our child's faces either.. You cannot compare Cig smoking to cars.. one is a mode of transportation that makes this world run and function.. The other is only an addiction that kills people and has NOT ONE real positive aspect to it.. it kills.it causes health problems.. it raises our insurance premiums. We have put laws into place regarding smoking because of health risks to other people and the smokers and because we live in a sue happy society that would rather make someone else responsible for what they put in their body than take that responsibility on themselves. Have you read the warning label on a pack? the labels aren't there because they are a good positive thing to be doing. I'm sorry that you cannot see that you are killing yourself and removing time that your children will have you on this planet and part of their lives.. It is a proven fact that Cig Smoking causes cancer and shortens lives.. it isn't something you can avoid.. it will catch up to you..
melodymatters Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Hey Art, We always run into each other and have the same convo's on smoking threads ! You will be happy to know that I am planning to quit as soon as my Floirda cartons run out. NOT because I want to live to 100, but because they are 6 bucks a pack here and you have to go outside EVERYWHERE, and the weather is terrible. Otherwise, marlboro's were going to be my retirement plan as I doubt there will be any SS, i'm single and on my own, and don't want to end up living in a carboard box in my " golden years". ( no one in my family has kicked before their 90's yet !)
Art_Critic Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 We always run into each other and have the same convo's on smoking threads ! You will be happy to know that I am planning to quit as soon as my Floirda cartons run out. NOT because I want to live to 100, but because they are 6 bucks a pack here and you have to go outside EVERYWHERE, and the weather is terrible. That is good MM.. it shouldn't matter why you want to quit.. just that you want to.. There are not many smokers who after they have been quit have said.. damn I wish I had smoked more and was still smoking... They are glad they quit and glad they have extended their health and feel better.. I think they all want to quit.. they just can't.. it is an addiction created by the tobacco companies with chemicals and it is a wicked addiction..
Darkzen Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 I think that all of these stereo-types of smokers are being based on the worst cases... the people who chain smoke 2-3 packs a day and have been smoking for decades. I used to be a smoker, I also ran 4-5 miles a day, exercised frequently and ate well-balanced meals. Actually, I'll still have a cigarette on occasion (maybe once a month). There's all types of smokers. Some are social smokers, some are chain-smokers and some are even casual smokers. My question is... how many of you people talking down about smokers, drink? I'm not talking about alcoholics either, I'm talking social drinkers or casual drinkers. I could bring up alcoholics to back up my point that drinking is bad, but it's unfair to all the people that drink casually or socially. We all have vices. You're free to not date a smoker, but I doubt you don't have your own issues. Maybe the deal-breaker for the person you do pick, isn't as easily recognizable as smoking.
Lizzie60 Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 and that's a deal breaker for me. ARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!! That's an easy one... just leave him.. simple. Can't stand smokers either... if they say they smoke... it's over before it even started...
uniqueone Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 I think that all of these stereo-types of smokers are being based on the worst cases... the people who chain smoke 2-3 packs a day and have been smoking for decades. That's what smokers like to think. Not true though. My question is... how many of you people talking down about smokers, drink? I'm not talking about alcoholics either, I'm talking social drinkers or casual drinkers. I could bring up alcoholics to back up my point that drinking is bad, but it's unfair to all the people that drink casually or socially. I don't drink. Never cared for the stuff. Plus I would never drink just to be social....the term "social drinker" is one of the most ridiculous terms I've ever heard. I don't do things just because others are doing it. Yep, I'm different, alright....... Btw, it's not talking "down" about smokers. It's talking factual. It's unhealthy. That's not talking down. It's talking fact.
Star Gazer Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Unless you're a size 4 or below, you really can't afford to be that picky. Touche, that's gotta be the craziest piece of BS I've ever seen come out of your mouth. Aren't you the super-thin woman who's insecure about just how thin she is? Isn't that...contradictory? I'm anywhere between a size 4 and an 8 depending on the brand (more so a size 8 these days though, *sigh*), and I'm perfectly comfortable flatly stating that my body doesn't make me any less able to be selective in who I date than someone who's very thin. It is true that higher-educated people in more technical jobs are less likely to smoke. Few graduate students I know smoke. In general, I probably don't have a lot in common with smokers. But I don't smoke, I exercise 5 times a week, and I have a wicked burrito habbit and Back when I was more blue-collar (serving, bartending, etc.), most of my colleagues smoked. In college, smokers were everywhere. But you're right. The population of smokers substantially decreased in grad school, and today I rarely, if ever, see anyone outside my office building (full of lawyers, doctors, accountants, engineers, etc.) smoking. Why is this? Maybe because when people "smarten up" they take more aggressive steps to stop smoking? Who knows. I will say that those of us in California are less likely to see as many smokers because of our laws (apparently you can't smoke in your car with children anymore?) - perhaps that's why we're so taken aback by smoking? I mean, other than right outside the front door of a bar, it really, really bugs me. I literally only know one smoker, so it's hard for me to agree with anyone regarding whether or not smoking correlates with other bad habits or an otherwise unhealthy lifestyle. That said, I would never ever ever smoke, and I've got plenty of other vices...red wine, chocolate, cheese... Yum! Burritos in SoCal are good. I'm not sure what burritos you have had. $3.50 for a burrito as big as your head, full of marinated steak and quacamole. Mmmmmm. I've got multiple burrito habbits; it's not limited to a pink burrito. Not just good - AMAZING. The best Mexican food is in the southwest, hands down...particularly from little taco trucks. East coasters just don't get it. But I guess we don't get pizza, whereas they do!
Darkzen Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 I'll take a roach-coach burrito over fillet mignon any day of the week. "In N out" burger too. I miss Cali
blind_otter Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Otherwise, marlboro's were going to be my retirement plan as I doubt there will be any SS, i'm single and on my own, and don't want to end up living in a carboard box in my " golden years". ( no one in my family has kicked before their 90's yet !) No offense but that's a crappy retirement plan. My Dad started smoking when he was 12 and lived to the ripe old age of 77. His last year alive was the worst thing I've seen in my life. He was gasping for air. Lost a lung. When he finally did die, he was thrashing around gasping for breath and a tear slipped down his cheek. I used to smoke. But I'll be ****ing self righteous now, after witnessing what I witnessed last year.
bish Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 and that's a deal breaker for me. ARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!! me too...its just plain nasty when kissing. Its like licking an ashtray.
uniqueone Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 I used to smoke. But I'll be ****ing self righteous now, after witnessing what I witnessed last year. Actually the most self righteous ones are the reformed smokers. Yeah, I've seen people die from lung cancer too and it's a very, very bad way to die. And pain pills won't help with the fact that you're gasping for air. And like I said before, it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN. There is no chance of getting lung cancer if you smoke. You WILL get lung cancer if you smoke. And no one who gets lung cancer survives it. There's no "Oh, I had lung cancer, but I beat it." Nope. I'm just glad that I never started smoking when all the kids were trying it in 8th grade. And I don't blame the cigarette companies solely for this. I think it's up to the individual (just like I think that drinking is--vs. being up to the bartender) Smoking was advertised HEAVILY when I was a kid. Here are some "good" ones from the past.... (check out the L&M cigarette one (page 1) and the Muriel cigar one (page 2)....those ones are especially good). To those too young to have ever have seen any cigarette commercials, you'll get a kick out of these: http://www.roadode.com/smoke_1.shtml After awhile, the American Heart Association did finally come up with a anti-smoking commercial about a little cartoon cigarette guy that rode a horse. (anyone remember Johnny Smoke?) But cigarettes were still being adverstised heavily on tv, radio, magazines and billboards. Yet I didn't smoke. I think when you get down to it, it's up to the individual to take responsibility for their actions and choices. I'm glad they put restraints on adverstising but I don't think that people should put all the blame on the cigarette manufacturers. Ok I'd better stop or I'm going to get started on cigarettes impact on healthcare costs......now THAT's where things get serious.
oppath Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 Not just good - AMAZING. The best Mexican food is in the southwest, hands down...particularly from little taco trucks. East coasters just don't get it. But I guess we don't get pizza, whereas they do! Yeah, it's hard to find a good slice, a good cup of chowder; the south has better BBQ, but I'll take my California Burrito (french fries inside a burrito) and fish street tacos any day! Smoking...I don't know. I figure if a cool, attractive woman smokes some, I shouldn't exclude her if I feel a connection. In general, however, since I spend all my time playing sports, and I'm in graduate school, I really run into few smokers.
uniqueone Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 Smoking...I don't know. I figure if a cool, attractive woman smokes some, I shouldn't exclude her if I feel a connection. In general, however, since I spend all my time playing sports, and I'm in graduate school, I really run into few smokers. I wonder if there's an age correlation involved. When I was younger, I didn't mind so much if someone smoked. (I didn't mind about a lot of things). And like I said, I was engaged to a smoker. Then as I got older (and no longer with him), I thought maybe it'd be ok if a partner smoked occasionally. Now? I only go for non-smokers. I think there's a big difference in what's acceptable when you're younger vs. what's acceptable when you're older. Reasons why: When you're younger, you figure the person can change. When you're older, you don't count on them changing. When you're younger, you're more idealistic about love. You're more likely to think that love will overcome all. When you're older you've probably experienced the fact that love doesn't conquer all. When you're younger, you feel more invincible. When you're older, you've seen people die....and you....or someone around your age....has experienced serious or potentially serious health problems that's made you see how tenuous life can be. Just my thoughts on it....
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