Only the stupid people are breeding?

[peace_pipe]

Okay, you guys all recall these lyrics from a popular Green Day song.

 

The fact is, this thought has often crossed my mind and I believe it to be somewhat true.

 

I do know a few couples who have beautiful children and are great parents - but that is not the "norm".

 

The last girl I dated had an abortion - as a result of "unwanted" pregnancy. Many couples seem to be having children "by accident". I know of a few like this some of which still live with their parents (at age 25 +). One guy I know makes $8 an hour and is planning on raising a child on that income.

 

It seems like the more educated and financially stable you are, the less you procreate. Is it because people who are educated bring to the table a certain level of integrity associated with raising a child? Are those that are more financially stable a direct result of better finanacial and moral decisions (including unprotected sex)?

 

I am wondering if anyone else has noticed this trend. I'm not trying to bash folks with kids. I hope to have some of my own one day - but with the right person and the right time.

[Sean0775]

Judging from all the stupid teenagers I throw out of my store every week, I think it's been happening for a good while now. People don't teach their kids right from wrong anymore, not in forceful enough ways at least. If I had acted half as bad growing up as some of these kids do today, I'd have got the living **** beaten out of me. The parents of this nation just need to collectively grow a pair and let all the moral high grounders know they will discipline their children the right way.

 

I hate kids today...especially teenagers...

[Enema]

I'd say what you're noticing is a combination of a lot of things.

 

The three biggest imo:

 

1) The hugely unsuccessful attempt to teach abstinence to teens as the only form of birth control (thank you religion!)

2) Government incentives to create more taxpayers. (not sure if you have it in the US, but in Australia you get a "baby bonus" for having a child. $6000 iirc flat payment when you give birth).

3) The teaching that abortion is wrong, regardless of your personal circumstances.

 

The "smart" people don't get suckered into these ideas and so you see what you see.

 

Ever seen the movie Idiocracy? It's based on the stupid people procreating idea. Not a very good movie but good ideas.

[Lunar Sonata]

Yes it's true. Stupid kids and teens thanks to the chickenshht parenting supported by child social services threatening to take your kids away if your kid says you lay a hand on them.

 

Eh, I don't care. As long as I can capitalize off of stupid people, they can breed all they want. Give me your money, idiots. Just stay the hell away from me!

[peace_pipe]

Eh, I don't care. As long as I can capitalize off of stupid people, they can breed all they want. Give me your money, idiots. Just stay the hell away from me!

 

Dude, the first time I read that, I laughed my ass off.

 

I see a new signature coming...

[Cobra_X30]

Okay, you guys all recall these lyrics from a popular Green Day song.

 

 

I thought that was from a Harvey Dangerfield song called Flagpole Sitter.

 

Anyway.... Its reverse natural selection! Survival of the least fit. Thank all the social welfare systems we have.

[Art_Critic]

Certainly with money and education you get more in tune with contraception/insurance and even sex education..but because a person doesn't have wealth/education that doesn't mean they aren't smart and it certainly doesn't mean they will not be great parents..

 

You also get people that don't have the time for a family because they are so wrapped up in money or their careers..

They tend to put their family ideals behind that of their careers and gaining success..

Maybe that is why you see the trend..

 

Education/money/smarts don't guarantee that the kids will be well adjusted and it also doesn't mean that the only good parents have education..

 

Some of the worst parents I know have PHD's and Money..

Maybe that is why you see the trend..

 

Google Unnatural Selection having children.. The first page is an interesting article that hits some points you are trying to make..

[underpants]

I had a funny experience once when I tried to obtain some free condoms for a bachelorette party.

 

I called the heath department and asked if they could spare about 20-30 condoms for an 'educational program' on safe sex.

 

I was told that I would have to schedule and attend a 2 hour session including a physical and couciling session (I was 27 at the time) to obtain 1 condom. I was astounded at this. I asked 'so if I am a horny teenager I need to do this routine for every free condom I seek?' I was told yes. I asked if this was the standard protocol excercised by all of the states health departments. I was told yes.

 

I called the abortion clinic and no questions were asked. As many condoms as I wanted. Left at the front counter for me under whatever name I gave. The thing is, not every county has a hidden abortion clinic that gives out free condoms with no questions asked.

 

I don't think a broke and horny teenager is going to be as resourceful and as patient as I was.

 

They probably just chance it...and that contributes to the problem.

[Krytie TV]

I thought that was from a Harvey Dangerfield song called Flagpole Sitter.

 

lol... close. It is, in fact, Harvey Danger's Flagpole Sitta

[lost4ever]

It seems that more of the stupid are breeding; However there is also the fact that no one seems to be breeding for the right reasons...smart, educated, whatever...now it seems people think of it as something you do, or sort of like a keeping up with the Jone's, or worse yet; something to validate that you are in fact "happy" with your life/ marriage....

[Cobra_X30]

lol... close. It is, in fact, Harvey Danger's Flagpole Sitta

 

So I am correct that it isnt a Greenday song?

 

Irony?

[JCD]

I know women who have more kids than they can handle and can't survive on their paycheck so are forced to get a boyfriend to help them pay. Then they are tied to him for better or worse, usually worse. Then kids suffer.

[Stereogram]

I had my son when I was just 22 and my ex-girlfriend was 21. We were both in college and she went off her birth control and basically trapped me. We used condoms for the longest time then started using them sporadically. Keep in mind that we were dating for 2 years prior to this...so it was a real shock. She did it for attention because she was at odds with her parents and wanted to get their approval/attention again. I'll never know the real reasons why...but this is the only thing I can formulate. It was very sick. I trusted this person and they did this to me. It just goes to show you can be in a very committed relationship and have your partner pull this on you. Just like how partners cheat on one another, you just never see it coming sometimes. People can be involved in 20 year marriages and still make huge mistakes.

 

I never thought of myself as stupid. I graduated from a very good college and have worked very nice jobs for the past 7 years...full benefits, 401K, paid vacation, exceptional salary. I've supported my beautiful son 100% since the day he was born and I have good relationship with my ex, I just don't give her a very big leash for obvious reasons. I know I might be the minority because there are so many spineless deadbeat dads...but I've just had the desire to rise above and separate myself from the norm.

 

So go ahead and call me stupid for making one mistake...but it's good to be my shoes and I enjoy life.

[love4ever]

 

So go ahead and call me stupid for making one mistake...but it's good to be my shoes and I enjoy life.

 

Umm, I sure no one is talking about your kind of "mistake". I sure we're all referring to people like the ones on welfare....because thats they easy way to go. One kid after another, with no ambition to be something. Just because you have a kid at a young age doesn't mean you can't live a good life. Some people have no motivation to become something better when you have the government to fall back on.

 

Please note I said some, just because most people leach off the system it doesn't mean some people use as a momentary help and try to do better for themselves.

[Rooster_DAR]

It seems that more of the stupid are breeding; However there is also the fact that no one seems to be breeding for the right reasons...smart, educated, whatever...now it seems people think of it as something you do, or sort of like a keeping up with the Jone's, or worse yet; something to validate that you are in fact "happy" with your life/ marriage....

 

I think this describes the issue best.

 

Our women (men too) are brought up to believe you are supposed to marry, have babies it's just the normal human thing to do. Life in general wants to carry on the species so people wanting to procreate is nothing unusual, it's normal if anything. Higher educated people seem less prone to have kids quickly because they understand that to better their lives, they need impede any burdens that may stop them from pursuing a healthy career. Unfortunately the less educated don't understand the implications of bearing children that may cause a strain on their finances and lifestyle until it's too late, and even then they still don't get it. Our government is no help for the poor when they encourage poverty and procreation by giving their silly handouts (this is all political IMO).

 

I can attest to this, I was on what I call "the other side" growing up as a kid. What's strange now, I look back at the person I was and wonder why I made such stupid decisions. I had a child when I was 21 years old, so I married the girl thinking it was the right thing to do. I would be considered one of those uneducated people who is popping out kids and had no education. In my mid 20's, I put 2 and 2 together and decided to break away from this vicious cycle and build a smarter life for myself, and after many years of hard work I am very successful.

 

Many people who grow up poor and uneducated don't see the wall in from of them "vicious cycle", I got lucky and am one of the few people who was able to break down the wall and move forward. So I don't think it's that most of these people are stupid (although there are some), I believe it's more ignorance and lack of proper guidance growing up. It seems like many people don't care to better themselves, they are content with living off the government and riding on the taxpayers dime.

 

Cheers!

[Sunblast]

OP and others should watch IDIOCRACY, a movie on point.

[LoisLane]

Yep and apparently only stupid people see it as a good thing. Ooh I have a baby. Yay. Now how do I take care of one???

[Darkzen]

I think it's the overall lack of concern, that's prevalent in society. The past few generations have become all about themselves and nothing makes them care about others. A lot of people have the "it happens" attitude. Well at least in regards to important things.

 

People are quick to defend those that they feel cannot defend themselves (children and animals), yet what defense do we have against other people? No laws protect us from selfishness. If a girl lies to me about being on birth control and gets pregnant, I'm screwed. What defense do I have, aside from living in a bubble to prevent people from hurting me? We're supposed to police ourselves, but TBPH we're failing miserably as a society and community. Being smart and cautious, only protects one so much.

 

A few generations ago, community was extremely important. Morals were enforced by the people you lived around. Many of society's current problems weren't nearly as large or rampant. Our society is probably one of the least educated on the planet (not just in academics, but in pretty much everything). Kids have sex much younger nowadays, because the parents don't take responsibility for their children. Kids shouldn't be running the streets, they should be at home learning to help prepare them for life. This is compounded by the fact that both parents have to work, to support a family in the majority of households.

 

I guess it comes down to the degeneration of community. No one cares about their neighbors any longer, barring they do something to piss you off. The downfall of community leads to the downfall of morals, which leads to the downfall of society... case in point, Rome at it's height of power.

[compassion42]

I notice this trend. Women who are less educated are definitely having more children. I see this in my work every day. I believe one of the reasons is because having a baby is something they CAN do...and they feel they can do it well. They get lots of extra support and special treatment when pregnant and they are qualified for more social service money too. I don't think the importance of family planning is stressed enough.

[love4ever]

I think this describes the issue best.

 

Our women (men too) are brought up to believe you are supposed to marry, have babies it's just the normal human thing to do. Life in general wants to carry on the species so people wanting to procreate is nothing unusual, it's normal if anything.

So true and then if you don't want children, you're seen as evil or subnormal.

 

Many people who grow up poor and uneducated don't see the wall in from of them "vicious cycle", I got lucky and am one of the few people who was able to break down the wall and move forward. So I don't think it's that most of these people are stupid (although there are some), I believe it's more ignorance and lack of proper guidance growing up. It seems like many people don't care to better themselves, they are content with living off the government and riding on the taxpayers dime.

 

Cheers!

 

Very true, its a sad cycle.

[lost4ever]

 

People are quick to defend those that they feel cannot defend themselves (children and animals), yet what defense do we have against other people? No laws protect us from selfishness. If a girl lies to me about being on birth control and gets pregnant, I'm screwed. What defense do I have, aside from living in a bubble to prevent people from hurting me? We're supposed to police ourselves, but TBPH we're failing miserably as a society and community. Being smart and cautious, only protects one so much.

 

 

I agree with most of your post, besides highlighted....It takes two to make a baby; But only ONE to stop it, It is not just the girl that needs to make sure she doesn't get pregnant (and you shouldn't trust anyone with something like that). IF YOU (you/general term) AS A MAN DON"T WANT A BABY PROTECT YOURSELF......

[amaysngrace]

It seems like the more educated and financially stable you are, the less you procreate.

 

 

I have kids. I live in a white, middle/upper-class neighborhood. I am a stay at home mom who lives modestly but well.

 

I have noticed the trend that parents who have terrific careers pay a price for their income. They get accustomed to a lifestyle that requires them to work long hours and sometimes even business trips which leaves little time for their kids.

 

I think the more you earn means more hours at the job. Big careers, big money anyway. Unfortunately the career came first. Because it was so important to have. People get used to it and then they can't go backwards.

 

Then they have children but it was way more important to them to have money first. I don't know if they really view it any differently after having kids.

 

From the lack of time I see some of these parents spend with their children it's really hard to tell.

 

I think that's sad.

[Rooster_DAR]

I have kids. I live in a white, middle/upper-class neighborhood. I am a stay at home mom who lives modestly but well.

 

I have noticed the trend that parents who have terrific careers pay a price for their income. They get accustomed to a lifestyle that requires them to work long hours and sometimes even business trips which leaves little time for their kids.

 

I think the more you earn means more hours at the job. Big careers, big money anyway. Unfortunately the career came first. Because it was so important to have. People get used to it and then they can't go backwards.

 

Then they have children but it was way more important to them to have money first. I don't know if they really view it any differently after having kids.

 

From the lack of time I see some of these parents spend with their children it's really hard to tell.

 

I think that's sad.

 

Perhaps they should consider not having kids if they cannot give the attention children need, and there is nothing wrong with deciding not to raise kids. You are correct it seems we live in a society that works harder than ever, not sure if that is going to change very soon. The world is overpopulated with humans enough the way it is (IMO), perhaps people will take a breather from breeding for a few generations, but I doubt that would ever happen.

[uniqueone]

Those who are more intelligent, logical and less impulsive tend to think ahead. They think about whether or not they'll have the resources to raise a child and if it's a good time for it or not. They think about the career path they wish to follow and what that will require.

 

Those who are less intelligent and more impulsive, think of the immediate without consideration of further consequences. They think of what feels good NOW. Having a baby might look like fun. They cute and loveable. They aren't really thinking about the longterm impact that having a child will have on them (financially, the impact on their time, the impact on a career or education path)

 

Another factor is that those in the first group often come from a higher socioeconomic class than the second group.

 

Those in the lower socioeconomic group often have grown up in harsher surroundings. They see having a child as having someone to love them. They might see it as the family that they never had.

 

The person in the higher s/e group could have experienced devastating losses growing up as well (parents divorce, etc...) but it was different for them in that they had cushions to fall back on (material items and activities)

 

Those in the lower s/e group had nothing to fall back on and having a baby is something to look forward to.

Also, some of the women in this group have little to live off of and they use it as a way to hang onto a man.

 

Those women in the higher s/e group don't even consider doing such a thing because they're self-sufficient.

 

Those in the lower s/e group also tend to go in and out of relationships and marriages more often. It's very common that they want kids with each new partner (usually to bond more closely with them).

 

Birth control is less often seen in this group usually due to poor planning and impulsivity.

 

 

Just my views on it....

[Leoni]

Some people are ready for kids when they're in their twenties, others wait for later because of their careers or not finding the right person to settle down with. There are other people who will never have kids. Everyone matures at a different pace.