luvmy2ns Posted November 1, 2007 Posted November 1, 2007 A fact that I can be sure of without making assumptions: the one thing that was exactly the same in all of those hundred relationships was you. The thing is, he's not saying "gee, some women are horrible" or "boy, the women I've dated are really wierd..." He's saying that the conclusion of his sampling of women applies to ALL (American) women, and that's what I react to. peace_pipe, I'm sure I've said this to you before, but when you believe yourself to be the only No, you're saying that things have to be either all black or all white. Disagreeing with one extreme doesn't leave the opposite extreme as your only possible position. I know some women who are emotionally unstable, some who cheat, some who are manipulative and cruel, and I believe that the ones I have had contact with are not the only ones. I believe there are more out there. I do not believe that all women are wonderful, goddesses, or wonderful goddesses. That opinion doesn't make me a misogynist or bitter. The difference is that I don't stamp every woman or all women with the sum of my past experience. Yes, I use it to guide me, to educate myself, to "screen" women for things I would prefer to avoid, but I don't assume that a particular selection of bad experiences applies to anything as preposterous as "all american women." And one other point: I never cease to examine myself and my part in my relationships. That doesn't mean I roll over and take blame for everything, nor even that I think peace_pipe is to blame for all the bad experiences he has had. However, I think having the feeling that everyone else is messed up and that you are the unique pinnacle of right in a swirling sea of wrong, should lead you to some serious self-examination. Is there anyone who didn't at least grin when you read: Even you, Woggle - in the midst of your ups and downs, your darkness and light, in spite of your sometimes strongly stated attitudes against women - have questioned yourself. You've asked yourself "why am I this way, how did I get here, who am I, and who do I want to be?" Your observations have led to struggle, yes, but also to self-examination. That's one reason that I respect you - in spite of my disagreeing with your pronouncements sometimes - you have the intelligence to ask "what is my place in all of this?" and the courage to look for an answer. Dee-AM, that was a good post!
Racquel Colette Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 1. There isn't a women's infidelity board here. It's a general infidelity board and there are plenty of men who post on there with their stories of infidelity. So, that was not a good example and that board is not directly bashing men because obviously women cheat on men, and they are cheating WITH men, so it can't really be said that they are feminists and hate men. That has absolutely no logic to it. they are not posting saying "men suck" and "women are trash" like the vile site referred to is. Most people who get involved with boards like that (and the "regular posters" of this board) pretty much have no lives. Their lives involve running home from work so they can post and give their profound insight on boards like this (and others) because they are very lonely people and there is nothing else going on in their lives besides these types of boards. This is my answer to people who make and frequent websites like that (and this, for that matter.)
jcster Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Most people who get involved with boards like that (and the "regular posters" of this board) pretty much have no lives. Their lives involve running home from work so they can post and give their profound insight on boards like this (and others) because they are very lonely people and there is nothing else going on in their lives besides these types of boards. Wow! Pleased to meet you too. LOL.
BeautifulMusic Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 peace pipe, does it seem reasonable to you to think that there's nothing wrong with your approach but 99% of American women- millions of people- are wrong? and even though that's clearly false, let's say for a second that's true. by ruling out 99% of American women who you've stereotyped, you could miss out on a woman in that 1% who is perfect for you. the goal of dating, for most people, is to ultimately find the person in that 1%. i'm not saying there aren't some women, or even plenty of women, out there who are like this- the rest of us would prefer not to be stereotyped, though. don't make unfair assumptions!
Woggle Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 I am not talking about a board on here but there is a seperate women's infidelity board. Google it and be prepared to be disgusted.
JerseyShortie Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 It's really not that complicated. Most American women do not have respect for men. It's obvious in how men are treated. I've seen "good" men being treated like dirt by women time and time again. Sorry if that's is too realistic for you, but don't confuse it for pessimism. Well, as a chick, I sometimes feel like alot of men don't really respect women either. I think there is alot of disrespect between both men and women. And thait is "realisitic". Men aren't always offering respect and love to women either. there is probably alot of stuff women put up with and deal with that hurts just as much that you don't realize.
RecordProducer Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 That article describes well my sister-in-law and she is not American. My mother isn't American and she's a straight up b*tch sometimes. People tend to subconsciously attract certain people to them. If men attract selfish, self-centered, psychotic, worthless and lazy women to them that's their problem. There are some great females...and great males in this world. But if we look for the bad, that's what we're going to get. If you just want to sit around all day and think about what bxtches women are or what jerks men are...guess what?...the world is very happy to accommodate you with the reality you suggest.And the kind of person who is eternally jaded and frown is NOT the kind of person that people want around. Nobody had the chance to try ALL women or men. And if you see the bad in all women you've ever met (friends, relatives, partners, co-workers), it's clear that you're the type of person who is negative and unhappy by default. With my life experiences, I could easily conclude that all men are jerks, but instead, I am just keeping in mind that many men and women are rotten and I should stay away from them. Even in my husbands I try to see the best and feel that their faults are not realy their fault. You can run away from any kind of treatment that is not physical. I've learned that whenever I was hurt by someone, I volunteered to receive the wound because I cared about their words or actions. I am starting to think that the inability to discern good from bad is what makes people derive twisted conclusions. Hint: If you bring up reasons why women should be bashed, enough of them are delightfully happy to accommodate that your idea of them will be perpetuated. Stop the bashing and change the world. Also, where women are concerned...try to understand the world of hormones. Certain times of the month it can be hell to be female and it's no wonder they don't quite behave the way men would like them toAwwww. Why are women on here getting so mad at a guy who os just venting his frustrations. Excuse me, but you don't vent your frustrations about one bad clinic by calling all doctors scums and garbages. I consider people who can't reason within logical terms - mentally illiterate.
I Luv the Chariot OH Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 It's been much longer than 60 days!! There's nothing for me to let go of. Women treat men like dirt. All women in their 20's care about is partying and selfish endeavors, then when they are older they have too much baggage to be a decent girlfriend. When this changes, I'll be happy to "let go" of whatever it is you claim I am harbouring. I'm sorry you've had such bad experiences, but it seems the only person deluded in this thread is you.
lindya Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 We've had a flurry of women bashing threads on this site recently. There are reasons both sexes may have the inclination to bash the opposite sex but these types of debates are based on incomplete samples, faulty logic and a host of other problems. People tend to subconsciously attract certain people to them. If men attract selfish, self-centered, psychotic, worthless and lazy women to them that's their problem. There are some great females...and great males in this world. But if we look for the bad, that's what we're going to get. Birds of a feather, and all that. When you see a pair of chavs (Brit slang for low class, tasteless people) having a public argument, you'll see all the negative gender stereotypes coming out. Two people with all the negotiating skills and emotional control of 5 year olds, bringing out the worst in eachother. Take one of them out of that situation and put them in an environment of smarter, more emotionally together people and they might manage, with a bit of effort, to conduct themselves in a more reasonable manner...but their ability to do that is completely dependent on other people around them having high levels of emotional intelligence and control. Confront them with a disagreeable, immature individual and they'll slip right back into the childish, stereotype-laden method of handling conflict. I skimmed the article that was posted here, and it just sounded like a rant from someone who loathes his life and the people in it, is drowning in a sea of negativity - and whose only pleasure involves temporarily bonding in shared misery with others who feel the same. A farmyard duck belligerently complaining to, pecking at and being complained to/pecked by the other ducks...then gazing at a flock of swans flying overhead and quacking angrily "That's me! That's the kind of bird I should be hanging out with." No sir. If you walk like a disagreeable duck and quack like a disagreeable duck - then you get to hang out with the other disagreeable ducks. That's the way it works.
Woggle Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 You take a lot of high class and rich folks and you will see the same thing. Watch The Real Housewives of Orange County and you will see what I mean.
JerseyShortie Posted November 5, 2007 Posted November 5, 2007 Well if the people in The Real Housewives of Orange County do it then it MUST be okay to put down women.
Woggle Posted November 5, 2007 Posted November 5, 2007 Well if the people in The Real Housewives of Orange County do it then it MUST be okay to put down women. I think that show is a pretty good microchosim of your average modern day woman.
blind_otter Posted November 5, 2007 Posted November 5, 2007 I think that show is a pretty good microchosim of your average modern day woman. being an average, modern-day woman, I strongly disagree. microcosom.
jcster Posted November 5, 2007 Posted November 5, 2007 I think that show is a pretty good microchosim of your average modern day woman. Really? Seriously? You think that the average "modern day woman" (with our consarn it libber views on equal rights and cain't even butcher a hog no more) is similar to the "Real Housewives of Orange County?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ok. Now I get it! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I don't know whether to be insulted or just feel sorry for you. I think the fouls might offset.
Woggle Posted November 5, 2007 Posted November 5, 2007 The whiney, naggy entitelement complex found in those women is similiar to what you find in many modern women.
stillafool Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 Woggle why would you watch a show like that given the way you feel about women?
blind_otter Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 The whiney, naggy entitelement complex found in those women is similiar to what you find in many modern women. Well my point is that it's not just American women who have an entitlement complex. IMO it's a class issue, not an issue of your country of origin. And I don't understand why the OP is picking on American women. As I said before, my mother isn't American and she can be a straight up b*tch sometimes.
Woggle Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 Woggle why would you watch a show like that given the way you feel about women? I don't watch it all the time but I was curious one day and it was on. Those women are a bunch of spoiled brats just like many modern women.
JerseyShortie Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Well first, society in general is pretty "spoiled". I know just as man men that are spoiled and have entitlement issues of their own as probably as many women out there that do. The things men seem to feel entitled to though are different then the things women can feel entitlemented to. Second, Dude if you seriously think the Housewives of Orange county is a good representation of women then we might as well say Howard Stern is a good representation of men. You do realize that the media over expliots reality right? Even in "reality" shows.
Woggle Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Howard Stern is a good representation of a certain type of man. Almost all of his big fans tend to have the same personality traits. The women on this show ara good representation of a certain type of woman though it is not all women.
jcster Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Those women are a bunch of spoiled brats just like many people in the US. Fixed that for you. If you're getting all of your information from TV, the internet, and your own experience - then that explains a lot about your attitude - (not to mention your level of ignorance.)
Trimmer Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Just to summarize, you started with this: I think that show is a pretty good microchosim of your average modern day woman. ... and have ended up here: The women on this show are a good representation of a certain type of woman though it is not all women. Submitted without further comment.
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