American women - interesting read

[peace_pipe]

Riiigggghhhht. Nope...not your fault....99% of the women out there are evil, psychotic b*tches...but no part of the problem resides with you.....

 

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, son.

 

You don't know me well enough to make those assumptions.

 

I realize that it is difficult for you to believe that most women in our society are emotionally unstable - but all you have to do is look around you.

[serial muse]

Hm. I, like you, will base my opinion of this piece based on what I see around me. Since it doesn't apply to the vast majority of people I know (and that includes the men I know, who don't subscribe to this wacky paranoia) I have come to the conclusion that it's a load of horse manure.

 

Yes, you're contributing to the problem. But then, we've been through all this already in threads from whenever ago, and apparently you haven't done much to get on with it since then except read a lot of bitter websites that tell you exactly what you want to hear: The problem is always with somebody else. Useful! Realistic!

 

But whatever. Good luck with life, and why not date other nationalities? Seriously, go for it. Who's stopping you?

[luvmy2ns]

Hm. I, like you, will base my opinion of this piece based on what I see around me. Since it doesn't apply to the vast majority of people I know (and that includes the men I know, who don't subscribe to this wacky paranoia) I have come to the conclusion that it's a load of horse manure.

 

Yes, you're contributing to the problem. But then, we've been through all this already in threads from whenever ago, and apparently you haven't done much to get on with it since then except read a lot of bitter websites that tell you exactly what you want to hear: The problem is always with somebody else. Useful! Realistic!

 

But whatever. Good luck with life, and why not date other nationalities? Seriously, go for it. Who's stopping you?

 

Damn it, now I want a Bloody Mary!

 

Yeah, maybe a gal who always walks five steps behind you is more your type.

[stillafool]

I do leave them alone, but it took 15 years of dating to come to this conclusion.

 

I'm glad to hear this PP. I hope you've had better luck with the other nationalities.

 

just wanted to point it out to the women here - with the idea that you MIGHT care why many men feel this way and MIGHT want to change it.

 

Well I personally think people should be who they are because the truth will come out. But, you forget there are tons of men out there both American and others who love American women. Again, I may hate liver and you may love it!

[peace_pipe]

Hm. I, like you, will base my opinion of this piece based on what I see around me. Since it doesn't apply to the vast majority of people I know (and that includes the men I know, who don't subscribe to this wacky paranoia) I have come to the conclusion that it's a load of horse manure.

 

Yes, you're contributing to the problem. But then, we've been through all this already in threads from whenever ago, and apparently you haven't done much to get on with it since then except read a lot of bitter websites that tell you exactly what you want to hear: The problem is always with somebody else. Useful! Realistic!

 

But whatever. Good luck with life, and why not date other nationalities? Seriously, go for it. Who's stopping you?

 

I almost forgot what rose colored glasses were like. Thanks for reminding me. Now, back to reality...

[Woggle]

This is true of many women but not all or even most. If men learned how to spot these types and not give them the time of day things will change but too many men think if they let a woman walk all over them she will eventually grow to love him when they don't realize that any woman worth having won't treat you like a doormat anyway. Men just need to stop being afraid to tell the no good women to kiss our ass. Don't date them, don't sleep with them and whatever you do don't marry them. They are not very hard to spot.

[peace_pipe]

 

 

I'm glad to hear this PP. I hope you've had better luck with the other nationalities.

 

 

 

Well I personally think people should be who they are because the truth will come out. But, you forget there are tons of men out there both American and others who love American women. Again, I may hate liver and you may love it!

 

Well, if you look at the traits most American women have - then ask men if they like those traits - you may find your answer.

[peace_pipe]

This is true of many women but not all or even most. If men learned how to spot these types and not give them the time of day things will change but too many men think if they let a woman walk all over them she will eventually grow to love him when they don't realize that any woman worth having won't treat you like a doormat anyway. Men just need to stop being afraid to tell the no good women to kiss our ass. Don't date them, don't sleep with them and whatever you do don't marry them. They are not very hard to spot.

 

Woggle, my hero. Of course I agree with almost everything you said, expect that most women don't fall into this category.

 

I disagree - most women do.

[Woggle]

Woggle, my hero. Of course I agree with almost everything you said, expect that most women don't fall into this category.

 

I disagree - most women do.

 

Believe me I understand where you are coming from because nothing will embitter a man like doing the right thing and having it blow up in your face but women aren't all bad. The no goods like to flock together in large numbers so it seems like there is more of them than there really is and you should take a break from dating for a while because chances are you are going for the same type over and over again and meeting them in the same places.

[jcster]

I realize that it is difficult for you to believe that most women in our society are emotionally unstable - but all you have to do is look around you.

 

Dude...therapy....seriously.

[Woggle]

Why are women on here getting so mad at a guy who os just venting his frustrations. These are the same frustrations that are shared by countless men who are just trying to be what we thought men should be and had it blow up in our face. If you are a woman and don't fit this description don't take offense. It seems that any man that says anything other than all women are wonderful goddesses is called a misogynist and accused of being bitter.

[curiousnycgirl]

We are having strong reactions because he is making gross generalizations. If PP were to say that there is a portion of the population that fit into this selfish, greedy, etc category - I think we would all agree. However he is painting all women with the same brush (other than his mother of course).

 

I assure you guys - it is not just women - it is men too.

[Woggle]

Don't a lot of women make the same gross generalizations with the all men cheat, are pigs, are overgrown children and many other negative traits talk? Do you think we like it when women talk about us like that? Respect is a two way street.

[curiousnycgirl]

Woggle I couldn't agree with you more, and I believe my posts on this site speak for themselves. I defend men and women equally.

 

truth is there are *******s everywhere! but not everyone is an *******.

[luvmy2ns]

Come on, Woggle, you yourself already said on here that not MOST women are this way, but definitely SOME. I'm sure we would all agree with the OP if he had the same opinion. But he blatantly supports the BS theory that it's AMERICAN women, as if we're all the same. And I, for one, do not support any BS theory that ALL men are this or that.

 

My man treats me great, I treat him great. He's still getting used to the notion, having been walked all over by women who didn't have the gray matter to be able to appreciate what they had when they had him, but it's slowly sinking in. If he were like PP, we would never have stood a chance, and he would have gone to his grave with this "ALL WOMEN ARE (insert appropriate insults here)" phrase playing over and over in his mind.

[stillafool]

 

Well, if you look at the traits most American women have - then ask men if they like those traits - you may find your answer.

 

 

Apparently a lot of men do like those traits because they are dating, marrying and having babies with American women. That's like me saying I hate Bad Boys and would never date them. Well it certainly isn't going to stop other women who are attracted to that type from dating them. Thus, the Bad Boy could care less about what I like or dislike because his train just keeps on rolling. Get my drift! It doesn't matter what a group of men think about AW they are going to keep dating, marrying and having kids with men who desire them. Good for you that you have opted out of something you don't find desirable.

[Woggle]

I don't agree with him but I don't blame him for feeling this way. Sometimes I even freak out and start doubting the woman I love as you all have read on this board. The OP is just speaking from pain and even though most women are not like this enough are to make a it a must that a man be careful and it seems that a lot of people cheer on women who treat men in this manner. I remember a few years ago reading a newsweek article that almost seemed to be giving the high five to cheating women and there are tons of message boards on the internet decicated to women such as this. Sometimes it really does seem like the entire female population has turned against us even if in reality that is not the case. I am not trying to say he is right but I am giving some perspective on what made him become like this.

[Kamille]

Peace Pipe, you've grown on me because I do think you're really trying hard to live according to some pretty stellar ideals. And I'm sorry that you keep getting frustrated in your quest for someone special in your life.

 

I remember at one point, someone, it might have been Lyndia, started a joke thread titled 'All men are ...' in response to all the thread titles that contained generalizations about women in them. No one came up with any male bashing - if anything I remember comments made about how great men are.

 

I was going to look for it, and also see how many threads have been started by women saying 'Men are...' but the LS search function doesn't seem to work right now.

 

I agree with Woggle that it's true that some people, on both sides, have a tendency to generalize about the other gender. I think it speaks to the fact that we keep getting polarized into being seperate genders at war with each other - that books keep being published about 'playing' the game to win a 'mate'.

 

The best thing I ever did was to take some distance from my friends who were male bashers. Yes, they had gotten hurt and gotten roally scr**ed by their exes. And now they go about dating as though men come with a user's manual. "Men are fundamentally pigs so I will get him by using sex to my advantage." You know the mindframe. They're still single, and getting angrier at men, foregoing the most important rule in finding a significant other: everyone is unique. And everyone, deep down, wants acceptance and love.

 

Sure enough, their perception of men as pigs keeps getting confirmed, because they don't give men the benefit of the doubt. They sheild themselves up, play games and never let a guy get close to them unless or until he proves himself worthy of them. The fact is, these women have no confidence in themselves and their own capacity to take life, and heartbreak on.

 

I lost my point somewhere along the way. I guess it's a mixture of I understand why you find it frustrating and also, the hope that you will one day stop feeling like love is a battlefield.

[loyalfriend]

I know a few "women" like this...

 

 

This really explains a lot for me, so thanks for posting!!!!!

[Pyro]

You don't know me well enough to make those assumptions.

 

I realize that it is difficult for you to believe that most women in our society are emotionally unstable - but all you have to do is look around you.

 

and you don't know the entire population of American women either.

 

You need to go back and read Tony T's post over and over and apply it to your life.

[Trimmer]

I've met them in bars, internet, at work social gatherings. It's all the SAME.

 

After dating probably a hundred women, I would like to think that there were different "types" among them. Once again, they are fundamentally all the same.

A fact that I can be sure of without making assumptions: the one thing that was exactly the same in all of those hundred relationships was you.

 

Why are women on here getting so mad at a guy who os just venting his frustrations. These are the same frustrations that are shared by countless men who are just trying to be what we thought men should be and had it blow up in our face. If you are a woman and don't fit this description don't take offense.

The thing is, he's not saying "gee, some women are horrible" or "boy, the women I've dated are really wierd..." He's saying that the conclusion of his sampling of women applies to ALL (American) women, and that's what I react to.

 

peace_pipe, I'm sure I've said this to you before, but when you believe yourself to be the only

 

It seems that any man that says anything other than all women are wonderful goddesses is called a misogynist and accused of being bitter.

No, you're saying that things have to be either all black or all white. Disagreeing with one extreme doesn't leave the opposite extreme as your only possible position.

 

I know some women who are emotionally unstable, some who cheat, some who are manipulative and cruel, and I believe that the ones I have had contact with are not the only ones. I believe there are more out there. I do not believe that all women are wonderful, goddesses, or wonderful goddesses.

 

That opinion doesn't make me a misogynist or bitter. The difference is that I don't stamp every woman or all women with the sum of my past experience. Yes, I use it to guide me, to educate myself, to "screen" women for things I would prefer to avoid, but I don't assume that a particular selection of bad experiences applies to anything as preposterous as "all american women."

 

And one other point: I never cease to examine myself and my part in my relationships. That doesn't mean I roll over and take blame for everything, nor even that I think peace_pipe is to blame for all the bad experiences he has had. However, I think having the feeling that everyone else is messed up and that you are the unique pinnacle of right in a swirling sea of wrong, should lead you to some serious self-examination.

 

Is there anyone who didn't at least grin when you read:

Of course I am not perfect, but the problem isn't me - trust me.

 

Even you, Woggle - in the midst of your ups and downs, your darkness and light, in spite of your sometimes strongly stated attitudes against women - have questioned yourself. You've asked yourself "why am I this way, how did I get here, who am I, and who do I want to be?" Your observations have led to struggle, yes, but also to self-examination. That's one reason that I respect you - in spite of my disagreeing with your pronouncements sometimes - you have the intelligence to ask "what is my place in all of this?" and the courage to look for an answer.

[fever to tell]

I spent a long time wondering if that website was even worth responding to.

 

I'm surprised that more women weren't deeply offended: the guy on that website is saying WOMEN have no respect for MEN?

 

Ooooookk

 

I found it hurtful and yes, misogynistic.

 

And utterly repulisve.

 

Just the slew of things girls have said to him shows the types off issues he has. And no! Of course its not him with the issues! He has NO issues at all, thats why he made a reactionay woman-hating website.

 

There are no words to describe how distasteful I found that entire thing.

[Woggle]

There are many websites that are just as offensve to men. That women's inifelity board is truly vile because those women swear they are liberated feminists striking a blow for women because they cheat on their husbands. They act like they are some sort of honorable soldiers in the battle of the sexes. It seams like everytime I start freaking out over my marriage is when I have been looking at that board. Maybe the guy who made this site about American was looking at that board too much.

[KenzieAbsolutely]

yes, interesting indeed, as is most fiction.

 

spoken like a true loser who couldn't get 'leid' getting off a plane in hawaii.

[soulseeker]

A fact that I can be sure of without making assumptions: the one thing that was exactly the same in all of those hundred relationships was you.

 

 

My thoughts exactly