Ladyjane14 Posted September 20, 2007 Posted September 20, 2007 She asked me to move back in and cancel the divorce. I couldn't answer her. I think you need to ask yourself what has changed between now and last week when she was still secretly contacting the OM and lying to you about it. (????) And it seems to me that it's kind of weird that after meeting with an attorney, she all the sudden wants to give it another try. Sounds to me like she might have heard some things in that meeting she didn't expect to hear. I hate to be negative, but I believe if I were you... I'd need to see something a bit more moving from her than what you've posted here. If you go back to the beginning and re-read your thread, this woman has told you that she hasn't had romantic feelings for you in years. She's stated in her email to OM that she feels "trapped", and that even though she KNOWS where she wants to be, she doesn't have a way to pull it off. Sorry, man ... but I think she's bullsh*tting you.
Woggle Posted September 20, 2007 Posted September 20, 2007 She is lying to you in order to put herself in a better position for the divorce. Women like this are clever and conniving as hell and there is something up with her. She wanted to seperate and now you have given her what she wanted. If she didn't want seperation why did she ask for it? I would proceed with the divorce because if you go back this will just happen again.
Gunny376 Posted September 20, 2007 Posted September 20, 2007 I've got to agree with LJ and Wog ~ something's not adding up right here. I'd give it more time, investigate further, proceed with extreme caution!
Author 2boys2dogs Posted September 20, 2007 Author Posted September 20, 2007 Like I said last night, the ball is in your court. I have told you that I am willing to try. I don't know if those feelings will come back but you're asking me to try and for you I'll do that. I am as in as I can possibly be right now. No, I am not happy today - in fact I'm very depressed. It's very hard to leave a man who loves you more than you thought you could be loved. You just haven't been that person for many years and now all of the sudden you say you are that person. I don't know if I believe you, but I will try. Are you pressing forward with the divorce papers & doing the 2 month thing? Are you still living away from the house?
Author 2boys2dogs Posted September 20, 2007 Author Posted September 20, 2007 I know in my heart that I can be the man you want. Can you be the woman I need? I don’t know what to do now. You really wanted me to move out and give you space, now you don't sound like you want me away. You really have me confused and scared. I am going to call the counselor and see if I can get some suggestions/opinions from her. I don’t know if she will do that over the phone or if I will have to schedule an appointment. When you talk about leaving a man who loves you more than you thought you could be loved, who are you talking about, me or him?
LakesideDream Posted September 20, 2007 Posted September 20, 2007 Tangled web this one weaves! Obviously you aren't in a "no fault" state. Please don't let her cast a spell on you, believe me those "spells" are temporary. I'll bet you would have loved to be a fly on the wall during her visit with her attorney. Let her have her OM, take care of your kids, and work toward closing "her" chapter in your life. She knows that she has to buy time with you to improve her position in divorce court. Don't give it to her. You might try telling her that if she's really serious, you can try "dating" again after the divorce is final... watch her boil over when you suggest it.
Author 2boys2dogs Posted September 20, 2007 Author Posted September 20, 2007 I was talking about you - you said you loved me more that I thought I could be loved but you've just had a funny way of showing it, previous to Guam. I do need space, as do you but I told you I'd try. I honestly don't know how much I have to give right now as I am broken emotionally. I don't know if I can be the woman you need, you've already told me that I haven't been. I am not playing games, merely speaking from my heart. You say you know in your heart you can be the man I want, how? I am just as confused and scared as you and don't know what to do. I told you for you and our family - both immediate & extended I will try whatever you think would fix things.
Toolate Posted September 20, 2007 Posted September 20, 2007 Have you guys have/had a close relationship ever? Both of you seem to be speaking very superficial. Im reading text here and i could be way off but im not seeing much reality going on here. Everyone has issues, have either of you talked about them. Those are the problem. Not (being the man/woman they need to be).
Author 2boys2dogs Posted September 20, 2007 Author Posted September 20, 2007 Last night I confronted her about the OM. She said that she called him that same day and told him to never call again, it is 100% over. I got up from my chair, grabbed my keys, and started toward the door. She asked where I was going and I said I was going "home". I told her that I couldn't keep tolerating her lies and her cheating by continuing to talk to him. She said they talked about me moving out and filing for divorce and how upset she was about it. I said "BS, you are not even allowed to talk to him about the weather, let alone about us". My voice was fairly raised at this time and I told her that I gave her too many chances already and she told me more than once now that it was completely over. I asked her if it even bothered her that she continues to get caught in lies and in cheating. She said yes, it does. She says she wants to do whatever it takes to make this work. I don't know if I have the strength to try anymore.
Toolate Posted September 20, 2007 Posted September 20, 2007 Disregard my post. Now it sounds like you are getting down to it. YOU dont need this!! And she has to start being honest and stop playing games.
Author 2boys2dogs Posted September 20, 2007 Author Posted September 20, 2007 I am going to work on building a new relationship with my W now. She says she is willing, so we will see. She leaves for her conference on Oct. 1 and I don't think I am going with her, even though last night she asked me to. When she gets back it will almost be our anniversary. I am going to go ahead and book the trip I was planning while she was overseas. I told her about it and showed her online last night. She said to make it a reality, not just empty promises again. If things are better at that time, we will go, otherwise I will reschedule it for later and find someone else to take! (By the way, I told her that last night and she was shocked)!
Gunny376 Posted September 20, 2007 Posted September 20, 2007 My call on the ball is that she got to Guam, started getting all this attention from all these men on un-accompanied tours for six months to a year ~ got in her head that she could have any man she wanted ~ anytime she wanted ~ started playing with fire! Meanwhile between the the mortgage, the car payments, the boat payments, the two children, the day to day druggery of being marriage ~ and day by day, one day at a time things slipped into a martial comma. What I would suggest would be that you remain seperated. Meanwhile, Google Dr. Hellen Kreidmans's "Light Her Fire"&"Light His Fire" programs $99 per package. Giver her the "Light His Fire program, and you listen to the "Light Her Fire" program. Get into MC and IC, work on each other, the marriage. I would even say NC for thirty days or more while you really think about what it is you want and need from each other, your marriage, and life in general. And yea you really need to hold her feet to the fire and hold her accountable for action, word, and deed. Be willing to let go of the past, with the understanding that you will trust in the future ~ but will also verify ~ inspect what you expect. Way to man up! Keep on keeping on!
Ladyjane14 Posted September 20, 2007 Posted September 20, 2007 :rolleyes:Things she's NOT saying: "I'm so sorry." "I was wrong." "I'll do anything within my power to fix this." "Please give me another chance to prove to you that I can be a good partner." "Here's my cell-phone and here are my passwords. Feel free to verify that I'm telling you the truth any time". "I don't know what I could've been thinking." "I love you." Listen, I'd never discourage a guy from trying to repair his family dynamic. All I'm saying is that you need to make sure you're looking out for yourself too. In the long haul, in order for you to be happy as a couple, you've got to BOTH be happy with whatever solutions you come up with. And if her solution is that you just keep kissing her ass from here on out... well, I can't imagine anybody being happy with that for long. It's okay to bend and compromise. That's a good thing actually. But it's not okay for your spouse to cheat on you, blame YOU for it, and then have you be the one promising to do better in the future. I also think it might not be a bad idea to talk to your attorney before you agree to make any moves toward reconciliation. If you offer her de facto forgiveness for the infidelity now, it's kind of hard to imagine that you'll be able to use it as grounds later on.
Gunny376 Posted September 20, 2007 Posted September 20, 2007 :rolleyes:Things she's NOT saying: "I'm so sorry." "I was wrong." "I'll do anything within my power to fix this." "Please give me another chance to prove to you that I can be a good partner." "Here's my cell-phone and here are my passwords. Feel free to verify that I'm telling you the truth any time". "I don't know what I could've been thinking." "I love you." All of that along with a river of crocidile tears~! I also think it might not be a bad idea to talk to your attorney before you agree to make any moves toward reconciliation. If you offer her de facto forgiveness for the infidelity now, it's kind of hard to imagine that you'll be able to use it as grounds later on. I'm a Murphy's Law kind of guy. When in a situation like all of a sudden turns around and starts going your way? HIT THE DIRT! & LOOK OUT!!!! I can't help but feel in my gut that old Murphy and his sidekick Mr. Reality are just around the corner alley with a couple of Louiville Sluggers saying, "Come on up in here! We've got something for your azz!" I personally wouldn't trust it ~ its doesn't look right, its doesn't smell right, it doesn't taste right ~ something's not right!
Author 2boys2dogs Posted September 20, 2007 Author Posted September 20, 2007 Well, being an I.T. Director, I was able to go pull our backup tapes for our email server and restore the EA I had years ago. Please read through this from the bottom up to follow the timeline accurately. I did not delete anything out other than names. Then go back and review my W's EA and please give me an honest opinion/comparison. I don't know why, but I needed to do this to know. From: HER [1] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:07 AM To: ME Subject: A request Could you please send me a picture of you, a recent one? I like your eyes. They are so awesome! Thanks! It is Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From: HER [1] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:49 AM To: ME Subject: RE: What I just found! I got a good laugh when you wrote that. It made me smile actually and I know you have forgiven me. I didn't write in yours. I want to write in yours now but I just can't think of anything I could say that I want to say without anyone else reading it. I will just leave it blank. (Unless you want me to write in it a special little friendship letter). Your choice. So, are you getting ready to rent the movie this weekend? My Mom & Bub are watching it tonight. She said that a guy at Bub's work told him to rent it so he would be mad at her if she watched it without him. I want you to know that you can call me anytime of day or night on my cel phone. I can talk anytime even with my husband being around me and it is not a big deal. I will not be calling you a lot b/c I don't want your wife to get upset or feel threatened. It's best I don't call you for the closeness of your family. If it is important and I really need to talk to you I'll call. I have one week until the neighborhood sale and I don't want to go out in my garage and get things organized. It is so much work. I will be happy to get it out of my garage so I can set up E-bay again. I will give you my user name so you can see what I all sell when I am back up again. Elizabeth sells on e-bay also and she misses me going out garage sailing with me. I like taking breaks off but when I get back on it is so.............much fun and being out there early hours of the morning. It is such a high! Is there anything you need or want from garage sales. Between Eliz & I we will find it. Let me know and I can take it back with me when I come home in June. HER --- ME <1> wrote: > I was just giving you a hard time. I forgave you > for that a long time > ago. I never could stay mad at you back then (other > than the big one > that took me years to get over). > So, what did I write? Did you write in mine? > > ME > Information Systems Manger > > -----Original Message----- > From: HER [mailto:1] > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:07 AM > To: ME > Subject: RE: What I just found! > > Unhuh......I was hoping you wouldn't reply back with > that answer but you did. If my memory serves me > correctly that would be the night you & Jeff ignored > Amy & I the whole time!!!! > > Still I will take full responsibility for that and > say > I'm sorry again for that. > > HER > PS...I was reading my year books last night and you > did write in it! I will go it and tell you what you > wrote. > > Just a second. Be right back. > > > --- ME <1> > wrote: > > > Hmmm, > > If my memory serves me correctly that would be the > > night you and Amy > > ditched me and Jeff for other men!!! > > > > ME > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: HER [mailto:1] > > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 1:39 PM > > To: ME > > Subject: What I just found! > > > > Wow, I was watching some home video's that were > not > > labeled. This movie had Ferris Bueller's Day Off > on > > it > > so I fast forwarded it to the end of the movie. At > > the > > end of the movie was you & I and Amy & Jeff at > your > > house for homecoming. Who could know? It was > pretty > > cool. Just had to share. I have 2 more tapes I > have > > to > > go through and I'm done with all video's, > > etc....Horray! > > See ya > > From: HER [1] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:27 AM To: ME Subject: RE: What I just found! HER, To one of the best friends anyone could hope to have. Heres to all the great times we've had and to all the times to come. Love ya ME It was so much fun reading all the stuff people actually say in those things! My kids will not be reading any of those books until they go to college! Any plans for the weekend? I have Jake's soccer practice tonight. Tomorrow we have a basketball party for Jake at the Main Event and we are going bowling with the team. Then we have a birthday party at the same place. At 2:45 we have Jake's first soccer game. He is so excited! Sunday, will be church in the morning and then my husband packs for California. He is leaving Sunday night and coming back on Friday. I think he is going to Sunnyvale and I'm pretty sure that is where Heidi lives. I'm going to have to look up her address. You know that Heidi is gay right? She has a girlfriend named Claire. She only talks to Juli Kruse & I b/c she doesn't want anyone else to know her sex choice. She trusts us and values our friendship to respect her. What a hard life that has to be. I was thinking about it and we have a lot of catching up to do. Who is your best friend (guy)? Does he live in Lincoln? What is he like? I have a best friend. Her name is Letty. I want you to meet her someday. She & I will be friends for life. We tell eachother we love eachother, we can share everything with eachother. Our husbands are TOTALLY alike. I could actually be married to Jason (that is his name) and she could be married to Andy and it wouldn't be any different. (with exception of looks and in bed I'm sure) Anyway..........I'll shut up. Anyway....Lettie is like me and I'm like her! You would enjoy her so...................................much. You will meet her someday! I promise. I met her in San Antonio for the 8 years I was there. I love her son like he is mine. We are going to San Antonio for Easter to see them and some other good friends of ours. Their names are Wendy & Keith. The have two children Kelcie & Kyle. They are our family away from family. We celebrated every holiday together that we weren't with our immediate family. That is some of my stories. Could you tell me a few stories? I just got back from the doctor. I went over to Elizabeth's house last night(the one you met) she invited some mom's over and kids and we all had a few drinks and ordered pizza. I wasn't feeling too well and didn't even feel like having a beer. I woke up this morning and couldn't talk. Went to the doctor and I have an infection and he put me on medicine. I didn't want to be out for the weekend. I have had a cough for about 2 months but just figured it would go away. Later HER --- ME <1> wrote: > Hmmm, > If my memory serves me correctly that would be the > night you and Amy > ditched me and Jeff for other men!!! > > ME > > -----Original Message----- > From: HER [mailto:1] > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 1:39 PM > To: ME > Subject: What I just found! > > Wow, I was watching some home video's that were not > labeled. This movie had Ferris Bueller's Day Off on > it > so I fast forwarded it to the end of the movie. At > the > end of the movie was you & I and Amy & Jeff at your > house for homecoming. Who could know? It was pretty > cool. Just had to share. I have 2 more tapes I have > to > go through and I'm done with all video's, > etc....Horray! > See ya > From: HER [1] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:07 AM To: ME Subject: RE: What I just found! Unhuh......I was hoping you wouldn't reply back with that answer but you did. If my memory serves me correctly that would be the night you & Jeff ignored Amy & I the whole time!!!! Still I will take full responsibility for that and say I'm sorry again for that. HER PS...I was reading my year books last night and you did write in it! I will go it and tell you what you wrote. Just a second. Be right back. --- ME <1> wrote: > Hmmm, > If my memory serves me correctly that would be the > night you and Amy > ditched me and Jeff for other men!!! > > ME > > -----Original Message----- > From: HER [mailto:1] > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 1:39 PM > To: ME > Subject: What I just found! > > Wow, I was watching some home video's that were not > labeled. This movie had Ferris Bueller's Day Off on > it > so I fast forwarded it to the end of the movie. At > the > end of the movie was you & I and Amy & Jeff at your > house for homecoming. Who could know? It was pretty > cool. Just had to share. I have 2 more tapes I have > to > go through and I'm done with all video's, > etc....Horray! > See ya > From: HER [1] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 1:39 PM To: ME Subject: What I just found! Wow, I was watching some home video's that were not labeled. This movie had Ferris Bueller's Day Off on it so I fast forwarded it to the end of the movie. At the end of the movie was you & I and Amy & Jeff at your house for homecoming. Who could know? It was pretty cool. Just had to share. I have 2 more tapes I have to go through and I'm done with all video's, etc....Horray! See ya From: HER [1] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 12:00 PM To: ME Subject: Year Books Wow, there is so much to read. I'm going to have to read them each night little by little. How fun. I have two year books of my own and they are both signed. You didn't sign my yearbooks. Your cousin Chris signed mine so I thought that was weird. Anyway....I have to get back to organizing my pictures. It is my goal before I start back up work (selling on e-bay). It is an 8-3:00 job for me and I'm sure enjoying my time off. I will start back up working after our neighborhood garage sale since I'm busy with that also. So, I need to get all these pictures in albums and be done with it! Good Day HERm From: HER [1] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:40 AM To: ME Subject: RE: Very Scared! Okay, you are right,it isn't healthy. Fear is such an awful thing. I haven't had these thoughts for years, years & years! It is horrible to feel this way. But, now you made a promise to me and I'll be fine now b/c I know I can trust you. You will not believe this. I just found Jeni's year book. Why do I have her yearbook? This should be interesting, there is a lot of writing in hers. Maybe you wrote a little something to her? I guess I will be getting her address as well to send off her book to her. About being sexist, your wife will not understand your friendship with me. Nope, won't happen. The only way would be for me to have a friendship with her and then she would begin to trust me and like me. Most Women don't like to share their men. This summer I was talking to my brother about his friends. His best friend is a girl. They have talked about dating but decided not to b/c they wouldn't be the same. They were the smart ones. Anyway....he told me she is going to stand up in their wedding as best woman on his side and his wife will have to approve otherwise they are not getting married. They are a huge part of eachothers lives. Runs in the family I guess. Kelly, my sister her best friend is Dan. They still talk all the time and her husband is fine with it. So strange how all three of us picked our best friends to be opposite sex. Aaron is attracted to his best friend but Kelly isn't. Dan is attracted to Kelly. Anyway.......I'm going to look to see what these year books have to say. Chat later. YMMS --- ME <1> wrote: > Please stop worrying, it isn't healthy! I am not > going to leave your > life again, I promise. I will admit that Susie did > confront me last > night and ask if everything between her and I was OK > because she could > tell that my thoughts have been somewhere else since > I got back from > Dallas (I didn't really tell her much of anything). > She does know that > we were best friends since age 14, and that we were > First Loves. I > haven't really talked to her about why we broke up > and why we grew apart > for so many years. Maybe some day, but I am not > sure if now is the > right time. I think she is OK with us being friends > again and I > reassured her of my love for her and that I would > never do anything to > hurt her. I don't want to sound sexist, but it > seems to me that women > are much more insecure in something like having > their spouse have a > female friend. :-) > > ME > Information Systems Manger > > -----Original Message----- > From: HER [mailto:1] > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:32 AM > To: ME > Subject: Very Scared! > > Oh, my gosh. I am so scared! The reason why I called > you yesterday b/c my heart was racing, I had > feelings > that I want my mother. I'm so afraid you are going > to > leave me as a friend. I know this is all part of my > past and my Dad but could you do me a favor. Please > tell me your not going to disappear from my life as > a > friend. Please! If you promise me than I won't have > to > ask you again. I'm so afraid that your wife is going > to tell you that you cannot talk to me anymore. I > told > my husband this morning of my fear and I also told > him > this morning that in the past I was in love with > you. > We had a very nice conversation from 6:00am-7:00am. > He > is being so supportive and is happy you are back in > my > life b/c it is making me happy. He thinks that > having > a friend from 14 years of age is neat. I told him > that > my mother had wrote you, etc.....I didn't say what > she > wrote but I'm trying to be as open as I can with my > husband. > What does Susie know about you & I. Did you tell her > about our past. Does she know I dated you? Does she > know how much I hurt you? I'm just curious. Was she > uncomfortable with me calling you yesterday? I don't > want to put any stress on your family. It was neat > to > hear your kids though in the background. My > husband > is not a jealous person AT all. I don't ever think I > have seen my husband jealous. Sometimes it would be > nice if he would get jealous but he doesn't. I have > only seen my husband cry once. I have seen tears in > his eyes but a real cry, only once. > Talk to you soon. I have to run up to the school to > volunteer for reading group and go to Wal-mart. (My > least favorite store)! > Have a good day! > HER > > From: HER [1] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:25 AM To: ME Subject: RE: Year Book 1988 I just got off the phone with my mom. She is a mess. She said her heart was racing as she sent us that letter, she wanted to know if were okay, what we thought of the letter. She is so cute. Your yearbook, I have no idea how I ended up with it. It has no writing in it. You probally gave it to me and you never got it back. I'm so sorry. I will send it in the mail to you soon. So what do you want me to write in it? Just kidding. Better not. Did you get my last letter. Your killing me! Did you get my mom's? Chat soon. HER --- ME <1> wrote: > I bet that it is mine. How did you end up with it? > That would be my > senior year book. Is there stuff written inside it? > Maybe I gave it to > you to write something special and sweet in it for > me back then! :-) > > ME > > -----Original Message----- > From: HER [mailto:1] > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:53 AM > To: ME > Subject: Year Book 1988 > > Do you own that? I am going through all my pictures > and I came across the Year Book from 1988. Is > this yours? Why would I have one? HER > From: HER [1] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:53 AM To: ME Subject: Year Book 1988 Do you own that? I am going through all my pictures and I came across the Year Book from 1988. Is this yours? Why would I have one? HER From: HER [1] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:32 AM To: ME Subject: Very Scared! Oh, my gosh. I am so scared! The reason why I called you yesterday b/c my heart was racing, I had feelings that I want my mother. I'm so afraid you are going to leave me as a friend. I know this is all part of my past and my Dad but could you do me a favor. Please tell me your not going to disappear from my life as a friend. Please! If you promise me than I won't have to ask you again. I'm so afraid that your wife is going to tell you that you cannot talk to me anymore. I told my husband this morning of my fear and I also told him this morning that in the past I was in love with you. We had a very nice conversation from 6:00am-7:00am. He is being so supportive and is happy you are back in my life b/c it is making me happy. He thinks that having a friend from 14 years of age is neat. I told him that my mother had wrote you, etc.....I didn't say what she wrote but I'm trying to be as open as I can with my husband. What does Susie know about you & I. Did you tell her about our past. Does she know I dated you? Does she know how much I hurt you? I'm just curious. Was she uncomfortable with me calling you yesterday? I don't want to put any stress on your family. It was neat to hear your kids though in the background. My husband is not a jealous person AT all. I don't ever think I have seen my husband jealous. Sometimes it would be nice if he would get jealous but he doesn't. I have only seen my husband cry once. I have seen tears in his eyes but a real cry, only once. Talk to you soon. I have to run up to the school to volunteer for reading group and go to Wal-mart. (My least favorite store)! Have a good day! HER From: HER [1] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:24 PM To: ME Subject: Fwd: Fw: wed night Attachments: Fw: wed night Note: forwarded message attached. From: HER [1] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:23 PM To: ME Subject: Re: hi Yes, I will. I thought you said you knew how to do that? Hmmmmm...Just giving you a hard time. Thanks mom for everything. That was a very nice letter you wrote the two of us. HER --- <1> wrote: > HER, will you please forward on my letter to ME. > Thanks > > From: 1 Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:39 AM To: ME Subject: Photo Album from Andy & HER:View my online photos Andy & HER's album snow and pool Isn't this pretty! Our first time having snow in Dallas for more than 10 years! From: 1 Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:37 AM To: ME Subject: Photo Album from Andy & HER:View my online photos Andy & HER's album C-town friends Some more pictures. You can see my Mom & Dad. HER From: 1 Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:34 AM To: ME Subject: Photo Album from Andy & HER:View my online photos Hi! I thought you would enjoy these pictures. The baby girl is Hailey, my sisters baby. Isn't she cute!! Kelly is in the green sweatshirt in the pictures. My brother Aaron is the one holding me up in his arms. His best friend my adopted brother Ben is the hippy dude next to Aaron. He is basically my brother. My friend Jay is in the orange stripped sweater. My-tie (Mayuret) Angel r, Amy , Juli and Jenny . Jenny was engaged to Jay! Pretty wild huh. Paula and her husband Brian are in the pictures. These are pictures from this Christmas and we went out to the bars two times the 23rd & 26th. It was so much fun. I don't know if you remember Brent Humberg he is also a great friend but his wife won't let him see me so he snuck out and came to the bars without her knowing. Brent is good friends with Andy and was in our wedding. Pretty wild seeing everyone again I thought you would enjoy it! HER From: HER [1] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:07 AM To: ME Subject: RE: OK, one more thing... Mine is tomorrow. Just kidding. It is June 3rd. Yes, it has been a long time. I'm working on all this garage sale stuff. We have a lot of people participating. It's going to be hard for me to have a sale and not go shopping. Maybe I'll have to have Andy run the sale & Eliz & I can go shopping. PS. Eliz told me a couple days ago that she thought you were very attractive and that she could tell that we had a special bonding. She said the feelings were thick in the room when she walked in. I didn't tell her ANYTHING! She brought it up to me and told me that it is normal to feel this way. I couldn't believe it! Who could know? HER --- ME <1> wrote: > My address is: > 33 West > > My birthday is July 11th. No, I tried to remember > your birthday and > feel bad that I really can't remember (although it > has been over > 10-years since I would have been around you on your > birthday)! > I am glad that I get to keep my meaning since that > is the one I always > thought/hoped it meant. > > ME > Information Systems Manger > > -----Original Message----- > From: HER [mailto:1] > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:51 AM > To: ME > Subject: Re: OK, one more thing... > > 29 Eagle > > What is yours? > > When is your birthday? Do you remember mine? > > Yes, It is okay with me that you keep your meaning > for > the above initials. That is how I prefer to think of > them. > > HER > > --- ME <1> > wrote: > > > One more thing tonight... > > What is your full home address? > > > > SKCBB > > ME > > > From: HER [1] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:56 AM To: ME Subject: Sleeping Again Yes, I am sleeping again. My back isn't hurting anymore. I hadn't had my back hurt in years, & years. So many feelings and emotions. Today I feel great, I feel so happy and I don't need any time away from you. The feelings are mutual about our friendship and our intensions. And now my mom is getting these letters. Ahhhh, What was I thinking. She isn't getting this letter. She gets the picture now with all the letters and she can help us through this. What peace and happiness a friend can bring to someone's life. Cool! Chat soon. HER From: HER [1] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:48 AM To: ME Subject: ME Mom, you have to start reading from the bottom of this letter on up. I am missing a letter that I wrote to ME, ME do you have that? It is the letter that I told you I never stopped loving you, etc...etc..I had to type this all in because I printed out the letters and deleated everything so no one gets hurt. Well, here I am sitting here thinking about you again...OK...I promise I will find time to watch the movie sometime soon only because you are back in my life and you asked me to. I'm not quite sure when I will be able to watch it though since I don't think it would be a good movie for me to watch with Susie right now. I can watch it after everyone is asleep since I usually stay up much later than Susie and the boys. I really can't begin to tell you how happy I am to have you back in my life and to have our original frienship. I never really gave it enough thought when you first told me that we couldn't date because you were afraid of losing our friendship and you might not have know it then, but you were right from the start. It is wonderful and yet life is cruel. I have a request. Can you give me your Mom and Bub's phone number? I would really like to call you the next time I am in C-town and try and get together with them to reassure them that you & I only have the best intentions of families in mind. I want to make sure they are OK with us being friends again (STILL)! This will have to happen on a trip that Susie is home, but I would love to see them and talk about everything that happened in the past and just recently. Let me know if you think this is a bad idea. I hope you are starting to sleep normal again. Thank you for coming back in to my life again (finally). SKCBB PS. I think I will keep my meaning for the above initials if that's Ok. ME Okay, we have to go through this together! I just rented the movie Notebook. I had to watch it again. I know you said it is going to be hard but you are my best friend & it is a story of our life. That is what best friends do with eachother. We go through hard stuff "together". You will agree with me after you watch the movie. Please watch it soon and tell me after you watched it. You will so..........understand why I wanted you to watch this movie, we are already going through the emotions so I think you should do it, get it over with and we can move on being friends. We did make a promise to eachother and in the movie it talks about the promise. We are staying friends! Thanks for being you! I guess I'm not doing very well not talking to you but I will get better, HER Hi there! Sorry it took me so long to reply to your emails and your voice message. Like I said on the phone yesterday, that if I tried to tell you I wasn't avoiding you I would be lying. I had to think things through and I am truly sorry if our conversation at your house caused you andy pain or confusion in your life. I don't know if I had known what a hard time you went through getting over me if I would have allowed us to meet again but I'm glad that we had a chance to talk and I am glad I said everything I did, but I also wish I could have been thoughtful enough to you and not brought up our past. It isn't fair to you to put you or your family through any pain again. I never in my life wanted to do anything that would have hurt you. I could never have imagined that us hanging out together would have brought back so many memories and brought out so many emotions for both of us. Someday I will watch the movie The Notebook, but from the description I read, I don't know if I can right now. Maybe we should have watched it together Thursday evening (JUST KIDDING)!!! I really hope that someday we can work through all of these emotions and become best friends again. I know we can! I will let you be the judge when we can continue our re-found friendship, but either way I will always be your best friend and be here for you if you need me. I just want to say one last thing and I told you Thursday night that I really am proud of you. Keep that cute smile on your face and give your three boys a big hug. PS. I wrote most of this at about 12:30 last night...Talk to you again when you are ready.... SKCBB ME Hi, Wow, I cannot believe you are actually going to get this. Your e-mail address works! Thanks again for the fun evening. It brought back a lot of good memories, good & bad. I did a lot of thinking last night and I just have to say a few things. I just wanted to tell you that b/c of you & my husband you both are responsible for me being who I am today. I greatly appreciate that! Because of you, because I hurt you, because of my feelings for you I went to treatment, therapy. I learned about who I was, who I wanted to become and what I wanted out of life. I couldn't be close to anyone b/c I was so scared if I did they would leave me like my father did. So, the people that I loved and cared about the most I would always hurt them. Makes no sense...I tried leaving my husband so many times, I was mean to him, etc..etc...but he kept coming to therapy with me and made me keep going. I went under hypnosis, however you spell that, my husband made signs and posted them in my apartment to remind me that he loved me and he wan't going to let me leave him. It sounds korny but I was really really messed up during our time together. We had to do an excerise to have Andy stand and I was supposed to fall back in his arms and he would catch me. It took me a year to trust him that he would catch me. It was awful! Anyway....I truly believe that God had a plan for us & it was to put you in my life in the beginning and the end. On that note: I want you to watch a show for me. It is a story that reminds me of our life. It is called Notebook. Please watch it and get some kleenex and write me back and tell me after you have seen it. The storyline will not turn out like the movie in our lives but you will understand everything after you watch the movie. I really hope that this summer you & your wife, kids can come to my mom's house and swim at the lake. I want you to meet my husband. I also hope your wife likes me. Thanks for the GREAT talk and being my best friend. Have a good trip back to the cold. HER From: HER [1] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:12 AM To: ME; Subject: LIfe is good! Great! I'm so happy you will find time to watch the movie. I did want to tell you that the mom in the movie doesn't play my mom's feelings. Also, I was never rich and you were never poor. Yes, you must watch this movie by yourself! About you talking to my parents and getting together with them. I just called my mom at Wal-mart and she told me to tell you that she wishes she could give you a big hug. She told me last night that you are very special to her just as I am and wants the best for the both of us. One problem. Bub, (my Dad) doesn't know ANYTHING about this. This is how I want it! So, getting together with Bub would be a really bad idea! He is old school material and wouldn't understand any of this. (my thoughts only) I don't know how you feel mom about Bub knowing but I personally don't want him to know anything. MY REQUEST! I'm going to send this letter to my mother, hi mom! I'm going to send all the letters we wrote to eachother and have her in our "love" "friendship" drama. She is okay with us being friends. She is going to write you. Mom, now that you are in our soap box you must watch the movie also. You have been with us through our feelings since we were 14 years and I want you to see this movie also. Who would know that I would be trusting my mother, my best friend, to get involved in something this huge! Wow! You did a great job raising me. Morals, values, respect and most of all teaching me about love & friendship and how to treat people. Thanks! Mom, I will talk to you over lunch today. I am also going to send the letters that ME and I have been writing to eachother. Mom, I'm also not going to write you & ME both like this all the time. He, He...... I just feel you need to read this stuff since you have been helping ME & I through this difficult time. You have been listening to my feelings, listening to me cry, my pain, my happiness, etc... so here are the letters. Love HER From: HER [1] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:51 AM To: ME Subject: Re: OK, one more thing... What is yours? When is your birthday? Do you remember mine? Yes, It is okay with me that you keep your meaning for the above initials. That is how I prefer to think of them. HER --- ME <1> wrote: > One more thing tonight... > What is your full home address? > > SKCBB > ME > From: HER [1] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:49 AM To: Jody ; ME Subject: Fwd: One more favor... Attachments: One more favor... Hi ME & Jody, ME here is her address. Jody, here is ME's. Jody, let me know when you are ready to do the e-mail necklace party. Chat soon. HER Note: forwarded message attached. From: HER [1] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 3:32 PM To: ME Subject: A Promise to a Best Friend Okay, we have to go through this together! I just rented the movie Notebook. I had to watch it again. I know you said it is going to be hard but you are my best friend & it is a story of our life. We are best friends and that is what best friends do with eachother. We go through hard stuff "together". You will agree with me after you watch the movie. Please watch it soon and tell me after you watched it. You will so..............understand why I wanted you to watch this movie. We are already going through the emotions so I think you should do it, get it over with and we can move on being friends. We did make a promise to eachother and in the movie it talks about the promise. We are staying friends! Thanks for being you! I guess I'm not doing very well not talking to you but I will get better. HER From: HER [1] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:30 AM To: ME Subject: RE: Question No, you didn't cause any problems for me at home. Andy knows that we had a very special friendship. We talked about how hard it was b/c it brought back so many great memories. I of course did not tell him that you never stopped loving me and I didn't share my feelings with him about you. That is between you, me and my mom. (kidding) My husband did tell me that everything I was looking for in a man was right in front of me for many years. He made fun of me b/c he said I messed up and married him when I should have been with you. No problems. We are all good. HER I have to take Jake to the doctor now. He has ear infection. Have a great day. --- ME <1> wrote: > Yes. Just wanted to make sure I didn't cause any > problems at home for > you! > > ME > > > -----Original Message----- > From: HER [mailto:1] > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:43 AM > To: ME > Subject: Re: Question > > Yes > And you? > > --- ME <1> > wrote: > > > Are you the only one that reads emails sent to > this > > account? > > > > > > > > ME > > > > From: HER [1] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:22 AM To: ME Subject: Thanks for the nice letter. So, you were up at the same time I was huh? Yes, were going to be best friends again and I am assuming you got my letter from last night? PS. I'm sorry also for having to share all these emotions with you. It isn't fair however I'm sure glad we did. We will work through it!!!!! I promise! PSS. My mother knows that you would NEVER come into my life to destroy my family and neither would I in yours. She just knows that we were soul mates and she wants us to be careful and for both of us not to be hurt again. I have a peace now. I can sit here and smile when I write this letter. I can move on and will be able to be friends with you. Yes, I will take some time just to give us months of breathing and thinking time. In those months you will be okay to watch the movie, I think it will bring you happiness and peace also. You are too funny. If we would have watched that movie together it would have been a disaster! Thanks for all the laughs. I'm proud of you too! HER From: HER [1] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:43 AM To: ME Subject: Re: Question Yes And you? --- ME <1> wrote: > Are you the only one that reads emails sent to this > account? > > > > ME > > > > From: HER [1] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:12 AM To: ME Subject: I didn't run in my sleep last night!!!!!!!!!!! I want to make sure you got my last message. Please e-mail me back and let me know that you received it. A simple Yes in the subject box will be fine. I would REALLY REALLY appreciate it. HER From: HER [1] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:03 AM To: ME Subject: Thank-you! Okay, I have not slept yet and it is 1:00am. I have figured it out! The reason all of this is so hard is because so many things went unresolved. I have always loved you, I never stopped loving you and always will. If you or I die tomrorow I want you to know that. You told me you never stopped loving me. I know that because I could see it in your eyes and could feel it! You are my best friend, we promised eachother we would stay friends. I'm not running again! I could hear it in your voice at the end of the conversation that you didn't want me to go. So, on everything being said now. Let's take a break. I'll write soon, many months ahead and we will start out as best friends again. PS. SKCBB, what you were hoping for came true. PSS. I still sleep OVER the sheet. HER From: HER [1] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:24 AM To: ME Subject: Me Again I just wanted you to know that after you watch the movie Notebook (which you cannot tell your wife I told you to watch) I don't want to discuss anymore stuff about "us", our past, anything. I'm just excited to have your friendship back and go through life as friends. We have said all that has been needed to be said, closure has happened and we are good! We can now go through life and learn about our families together, children, send pictures, etc....thanks so much for letting us have the chance to express everything and for coming back in my life. Okay, done. Have a great day. I'm going shopping. Yeah....... From: HER [1] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:11 AM To: ME Subject: Hey! Hi, Wow, I cannot believe you are actually going to get this letter. Your e-mail address works! Thanks again for the fun evening. It brought back a lot of old memories, good & bad. I did a lot of thinking last night and I just have to say a few more things. I just wanted to tell you that b/c of you & my husband you both are responsible for me being who I am today. I greatly appreciate that! Because of you, because I hurt you, because of my feelings for you, I went to treatment, therapy. I learned about who I was, who I wanted to become and what I wanted out of life. I couldn't become close to anyone b/c I was so scared if I did they would leave me like my father did. So, the people that I loved and cared about the most I would always hurt them and leave them. Makes no sense. I tried leaving my husband so many times, I was mean to him, etc...etc.... but he just kept coming to therapy with me and made me keep going. I went under hypnosis however you spell that, my husband made signs and posted them all over my apartment to remind me that he loved me and he wasn't going to let me leave him. It sounds korny but I was really really messed up during our time together. We had to do an excerise to have Andy stand and me fall back in his arms and he would catch me. It took me a year to be able to trust him that he would catch me. It was awful! Anyway....I truly believe that God had a plan for me and it was to put you in my life in the beginning and the end. On that note: I want you to watch a show for me. It is a story that reminds me of our life. It is called Notebook. Please watch it, get some kleenex and write me back and tell me after you have seen it. The storyline will not turn out like the movie in our lives but you will understand everything after you watch the movie. I really hope that this summer you & your wife, kids can come down to my mom's house and swim at the lake. I want you to meet my husband. I also hope your wife likes me. Thanks for the GREAT talk and for being my best friend. Have a good trip back to the cold. HER
Author 2boys2dogs Posted September 20, 2007 Author Posted September 20, 2007 Rest assured, I am not just rolling over here. I have not cancelled the divorce, even though she asked. I have not moved home, even though she asked. I am treating her with tough love instead of hatred right now. When she gets back from her conference/mini vacation I am going to demand she log into her cell phone account and let me look through the call details. I have the OM's cell phone number and if it shows up in there after yesterday it is OVER, and if she refuses, it is OVER. With that, I am going over for dinner and we are going to talk some more tonight. One day at a time...
Gunny376 Posted September 21, 2007 Posted September 21, 2007 In Ref: to Post No.#65 all I need to know is does the wife know of the EA back in 05? If she does, then of course its relevant to your current situation. If not ~ its not, (you can beat yourself up alone with your therpaist ~ whatever.) If she doesn't then its not applicable and you would be throwing gas on a hot raging fire by succumbing to your guilt and confessing your sins. You would actually be harming the marriage more by telling now? And, I agree with gaining and maintaing control of your emotions and negotiating from a position of tough love. But, what you've got to do is to open a dialog ~ an on-going conversation with the wife, and you must subject yourself to listening patiently with an open mind (and a closed mouth) to her complaints about the marriage and about you. Clearly neither of your are happy with the status quo or the way things have been in the marriage ~ and clearly its the eptiome of insanity to contiune as you have in the pass. Its also clear that both of you are professionals in fast paced, demanding careers. Albeit high paying, but I have to ask you if all that successful living you're doing? Is it worth your marriage. From your post, I'm not so sure that its you or her, so much as the lifestyle that you've evolved into over the course of the years. My ambition, my drive to succed and achieve and to be successful in my career in the Marine ~ flat out cost me a wife. The primary reason my wife divorced me? Because I was a "work-aholic" (Not really, I just always managed to find myself pulling billets one or two paygrades above my current rank.) I was damn good at what I did in the Marine Corps. In fact, according to the Secertary of the Navy the best in the Marine Corps worldwide. No bragg ~ just fact. I've got a room full of plaques, trophies, letters, commendations, awards, medals etc. I'd trade them all if it could have saved my marriage. Its funny now? In a way? I've got one the most laid back, easy, stress-free, worry free jobs in the world. With probally one of the easiest bosses there is to work for. Low stress, no stress! Most days? I might actually work four hours although there are days when I actually work eight. The rest of the time? I watch cable tv, football, listen to Sirius radio, read the newspaper or a book, watch movies. My point in telling you this ~ isn't to brag! My point is that there's a lot to be said for living a simple life. Living to work and not working to live! I don't have everything that I want, (who ever does?) but I've got everything I need. I won't owe a single red cent to anyone in ten months. I could if I had to, live off my retirement in Margaretiville, but I've grown accustomed to a certain standard of living. Me thinks you should seriously reconsider your life ~ with or without the wife. The point of living? Is to live! Not working to live! You need a roof over your head, medical, dental, life insurance. You don't need a $12,000 Rolex, nor a Jaguar, nor a Benz! (And I'm not saying that's you! Just pointing out the benefits of "simple" living!) Me? I'm all about keeping things simple and un-complicated! Stress-free! I don't have to deal with the public, an azz-hat of a boss, nor co-workers! I could give a damn if I live in the big house on the hill. I'll never drive a Cadalliac Escalde, but I love my loaded out Mazda Tribute. I don't have "deadlines" and other such BS! I go in, I go to work, I go home! My point? Life is about living ~ not hating life and everyone in it! YOU'RE way too young to be feeling THIS damned OLD!
Gunny376 Posted September 21, 2007 Posted September 21, 2007 All of that along with a river of crocidile tears~! I'm a Murphy's Law kind of guy. When in a situation like all of a sudden turns around and starts going your way? HIT THE DIRT! & LOOK OUT!!!! I can't help but feel in my gut that old Murphy and his sidekick Mr. Reality are just around the corner alley with a couple of Louiville Sluggers saying, "Come on up in here! We've got something for your azz!" I personally wouldn't trust it ~ its doesn't look right, its doesn't smell right, it doesn't taste right ~ something's not right! I'm tellin" ya! my "Murphy" meter is off the scale! And all you've got to use is "harsh" language!
Author 2boys2dogs Posted September 21, 2007 Author Posted September 21, 2007 I went to the house last night for dinner. We sat and talked. It was pretty nice that we didn't really fight. I explained to her that I am setting the bar really high for our new life. That if things work out I am not willing for either of us to go back to our old ways. I told her I was not willing to neglect her anymore, and I was not willing to be neglected anymore. She doesn't feel like she neglected me. I explained that I can't remember the last time she told me I was handsome, or sexy. I told her I never felt like she appreciated all of the hard work I did remodeling each of our now three houses we have lived in. She said that she did appreciate it, she was proud of my good handy work, but that was when I was neglecting her. I told her I built the limestone fireplace in the basement and finished the basement so we could spend time together by the fire. I told her I wanted the love and admiration that she gave to the OM, that she stopped giving me a long time ago. We put the boys to bed, she told me she was tired and going to bed. I tucked her in, gave her a kiss on the forehead, and said goodbye. She asked me to stay. I told her I would stay when I felt wanted, and I left. She called me in the morning and asked me why I left and I told her the same thing. I went to the house to shower and get ready for work. When I helped her put the kids in the car for her to take them to school, she gave me a hug and a small kiss and told me she loved me. I am taking the boys camping without her this weekend. We will see how things go.
mourningMM Posted September 21, 2007 Posted September 21, 2007 If you want her to tell you you are sexy, you need to flirt with her in a way that she will feel safe to expose herself. I appreciate that you are walking a tighrope... Can you think of anything she could do that would entice you to stay? If you are having a hard time imagining what would work, think about how much harder it is for her. Everything needs to change, even the way you communicate. I hear you, and believe you when you say that you are giving her a chance. But the behavior you describe sounds more like you are issuing ultimatims than engaging in conversation. It sounds like there is a fair amount of dead-air when the two of you talk. Dead air can be good if the body-language, and physical chemistry are open and inviting. But if you are closed off you may be sending really mixed signals. Engaged conversation, with full focus on each other will help...whether you decide to stay together or not, you have to build that base for the co-parenting you will do for the rest of your lives.
Woggle Posted September 21, 2007 Posted September 21, 2007 I'm tellin" ya! my "Murphy" meter is off the scale! And all you've got to use is "harsh" language! II fully agree. This is a calm before the storm type of deal. She has something up her sleave.
Ladyjane14 Posted September 21, 2007 Posted September 21, 2007 She doesn't feel like she neglected me. How does THAT statement square with THIS one : On August 3rd she told me that she didn't love me anymore and that she hadn't for the last 2-years and that she hadn't been sexually attracted to me for the last 2-years. It seems to me that your wife is unwilling to admit she's played any part in the problems in your marriage. Her words and actions don't meet. Hell, her words and words don't meet. How can you not love the guy you signed on to love, and not be neglecting him? I explained that I can't remember the last time she told me I was handsome, or sexy. I told her I never felt like she appreciated all of the hard work I did remodeling each of our now three houses we have lived in. She said that she did appreciate it, she was proud of my good handy work, but that was when I was neglecting her. I told her I built the limestone fireplace in the basement and finished the basement so we could spend time together by the fire. It's possible that what one person believes to be a loving action is not perceived by the other as such. This is well described in books like The Five Love Languages. So yeah, if your wife is a person who feels more loved by your expenditure of Quality Time and you are showing your devotion in Acts of Service, she's liable not to recognize your efforts as love. But damn... once you've cleared it up and communicated your positive intentions, you'd think she'd make some kind of effort towards understanding. Particularly when you're letting her know that what YOU are missing is Words of Affirmation, so you haven't been getting your needs met either. See, in this interchange, I don't see her recognizing your efforts to clear up these misconceptions. And I don't see her acknowledging your ENs (emotional needs), which you stated CLEARLY. I see more "ME, ME, ME". You know, if your wife walks up to you and kicks you good and hard in the crotch... it ceases to be important that you didn't take the trash out as often as you could. You can't look at a husband and tell him you don't love him, that you haven't had any feelings for him in two years, and not be 'kicking him in the crotch'. Did your alleged "neglect" of her really warrant that? And if not, what is it that she's willing to do differently in the future? IMO, you're doing the right thing by keeping the lines of communication open as well as by maintaining commitment to your goals. If your goal is to have a wife who loves you, you can't back down from that and then just HOPE maybe someday she might. You've got to put that expectation up on the table and settle for nothing less.
Author 2boys2dogs Posted September 21, 2007 Author Posted September 21, 2007 I sent her favorite flowers to her work. She was at lunch when they tried to deliver, so they took them back to the shop. I had them delivered to me this afternoon and put a card with them and I will hand deliver them to her after work. I asked her out on a date tonight. I am taking her out to dinner and a movie. We are going to see "Good Luck Chuck". She resisted at first, but then decided to say yes. She doesn't sound very excited at all. I have also started writing her poetry again, like I used to. She never replies with more than "Thanks" or "That was nice". Oh well, at least I will know that I am truly trying. Have a good weekend everyone and thanks for your ears and your words of wisdom.
jesslindy Posted September 22, 2007 Posted September 22, 2007 Dude, I would proceed with extreme caution!! She is not saying the right things. She has had no REALITY to come out of what she said and did the right way. I personally beleive she is posturing for a better position in the divorce. Thats exactly what my stbx wife is going to do after she gets served next week and meets with a lawyer. Try to use your brain a little more than your heart. Your heart will confuse things. Cloud your judgment. You brain knows more than your heart. A persons heart, for all intents and purposes, is stupid. Your wife knows what to do to tug at your heart. Cheaters are very clever when they need to be. I would still do whatever you can to find out about the contact with the OM. The more you read, learn, and grow form this, the clearer the things you will NEED to hear, feel, and see will be. Her statements are not what needs to be said in this situation. You need to hear: I want to be a better person for you!! Here is what I feel I've done wrong in this relationship. Thank you for letting me love you. Im glad to see and feel the changes in you. I want to grow from this. I am commited to lasting change. I want to express my feelings, and LISTEN to yours. Your not getting any of that. IM SORRY DOESNT CUT IT!! proceed with caution. She has already shown you she can't put up the charade for long. Shes already giving you hints that she doesnt appreciate what your doing. See it for what it is. Keep getting legal advice. Your only increasing how scathed you come out of this divorce.
Gunny376 Posted September 22, 2007 Posted September 22, 2007 JL, I, Jmargel, all of us are telling you! You're about to find your azz up underneath a bus!
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