movinon05 Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 I admit that I have misogynstic tendencies. I don't deny it but I do at least try to judge every woman as an individual. It just show happens that most of the time women prove me right although every once in a while I find a rare gem. I have noticed that most OW on here are manhaters to some degree. All that time spent playing around with scum that are cheating on their wives has warped their view of male/female relations. Dating a married man does something to a woman emotionally that is very hard to go back from. About the black and white issue I am not racist at all. I meant black and white issues. Not race. And some of us OW have found out that there are very many wonderful men out there who are a hell of a lot better than the MM. Hence, I learned my lesson. I am an exOW and thrilled to say so.
movinon05 Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 Very situational. Every little boy is different. Sometimes you get Tim Mcgraw... sometimes you get Ted Bundy. Your right in that it can be done... its just not every time. Then again I suppose its that way for everything in life. LOL... if it cant be fixed maybe its time to be movinon. Bingo! Now you know why I chose my user name!
Woggle Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 I meant black and white issues. Not race. And some of us OW have found out that there are very many wonderful men out there who are a hell of a lot better than the MM. Hence, I learned my lesson. I am an exOW and thrilled to say so. Maybe you but there are clearly many OW on this board who have become warped by their experience. Some seem to take sheer delight in crapping on the institution of marriage and sleeping with MM is their way to do it.
Cobra_X30 Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 Bingo! Now you know why I chose my user name! LOL... I was guessing. Now you just went and killed all the mystery!
movinon05 Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 Maybe you but there are clearly many OW on this board who have become warped by their experience. Some seem to take sheer delight in crapping on the institution of marriage and sleeping with MM is their way to do it. You know what? You see that I am an exception. I did not let one miserable pathetic excuse of a husband and one MM ruin my opinion of men. Let me ask you. You had a WS. And by all accounts that I've seen from your posts, you have allowed that one woman to skew your perception of most women. So how can you say that most OW have become warped by their experience, when it appears that YOU have become warped by your experience? Is that not the pot calling the kettle black?
movinon05 Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 LOL... I was guessing. Now you just went and killed all the mystery! Sorry hun. But I gotta own it, ya know? Oh and I should also say that that applied to my marriage as well.
Cobra_X30 Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 Maybe you but there are clearly many OW on this board who have become warped by their experience. Some seem to take sheer delight in crapping on the institution of marriage and sleeping with MM is their way to do it. Hmmm.... of all the regulars only Lizzie comes to mind, and I dont think even she really fits this description. Are you sure your vision isnt a little tainted by your personal experience?
Woggle Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 You know what? You see that I am an exception. I did not let one miserable pathetic excuse of a husband and one MM ruin my opinion of men. Let me ask you. You had a WS. And by all accounts that I've seen from your posts, you have allowed that one woman to skew your perception of most women. So how can you say that most OW have become warped by their experience, when it appears that YOU have become warped by your experience? Is that not the pot calling the kettle black? It's not just a WS. It is the state of gender relations in our society. I know there are good women and my beef is not with them but I do encourage men to protect their ass. I can't deny what I see right in front of me.
Woggle Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 Hmmm.... of all the regulars only Lizzie comes to mind, and I dont think even she really fits this description. Are you sure your vision isnt a little tainted by your personal experience? You have to read between the lines and pick up on the subtleties.
Author RealityCheck Posted August 22, 2007 Author Posted August 22, 2007 Maybe you but there are clearly many OW on this board who have become warped by their experience. Some seem to take sheer delight in crapping on the institution of marriage and sleeping with MM is their way to do it. Some do! Some don't! Gee, some even raised boys and love them with every breath they take!!!! Who actually, believe it or not have become....YES! you guessed it! MEN!!! MO and I are two so far!
lost4ever Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 Nice... now your on Woggle's side!!! that would be negitive Because I am coming at it from a different point of view. I very much believe in marriage but I feel that courts, divorce lawyers and everything else have ruined so it is time to purify it. I believe in the lifetime commitment and that people should not just walk away when things are less than 100% perfect 100% of the time. I just don't see how the courts have helped marriage at all. It should not be a business arrangement Why does it have to be a life time commitment, can't you live your life without knowing what will happen, or do you need a contract defining that the person is stuck and even if they are unhappy they have to love me!?? Can we please get to the point were we want this person in our lives, and we do everything to make the person happy, because we want them, can we get to the point that we wake up in the morning look at the one we are in love with and say hi hunny, are you happy with us, and if they are not they have the option of saying no, not really dear, I think I am getting to the point where I should move on. Things in life change, people change feelings change, if people had a fear of a person they love walking a way maybe, maybe we would all try a little harder. Right now in life people are married and they think I don't have to try, they think, if you are unhappy and leave me then you are at fault, I have a contract right here that proves, till death due us part, in sickness and in health for better or for worse.......I say screw that
Cobra_X30 Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 Sorry hun. But I gotta own it, ya know? Oh and I should also say that that applied to my marriage as well. Ha! You'd be suprised how well my callsign fits me too! There are some things that just cant be fixed. You just have pick up and try again somewhere else.
PoshPrincess Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 I don't know where anyone here has stated that they believe boys should be raised on a mass scale without fathers. There are all kinds of situations and different people, and they all bring to a parental/child relationship what they know. Some turn out good. Some turn out bad. Just like in marriage as stated previously in this thread, it all depends upon the "people". And I will also add Woggle, that I have read many many of your posts on these boards for quite awhile now, and I came away with the impression long ago that you, my dear, are a womanhater. It breathes through every fiber of your sentences. I know for a fact that RC is not a manhater. She just happens to be a strong independent woman who, yes, has a brain. And yes, knows what to do with it. She talks the talk, and she walks the walk. She stands by her convictions and she does not judge all people by one gender, religion, race, or circumstance. She allows that there are gray matters and that the world is not all black and white. Can you say the same? Like I said. I've read your posts. I think you and I have even discussed the black and white issue. :bunny::bunny::bunny::bunny:
Woggle Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 After a long period of unhappiness of course a person should not stay but I don't believe in treating people and relationships as disposable. We treat people today like just another accessory which to me is not a healthy way to approach a relationship. I just don't believe that a few bumps along the way are a reason to throw it all away because everything has bumps.
PoshPrincess Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 After a long period of unhappiness of course a person should not stay but I don't believe in treating people and relationships as disposable. We treat people today like just another accessory which to me is not a healthy way to approach a relationship. I just don't believe that a few bumps along the way are a reason to throw it all away because everything has bumps. I think that as long as people are 100% honest with each other about what they want from a R when they go into one then 'disposable Rs' shouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. I would like to know how many people, when proclaming their vows on their wedding day, sincerely DO believe that they will be together 'till death us do part'. Until I feel I can mean that 100% I wouldn't even consider getting married.
movinon05 Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 that would be negitive Because I am coming at it from a different point of view. I very much believe in marriage but I feel that courts, divorce lawyers and everything else have ruined so it is time to purify it. I believe in the lifetime commitment and that people should not just walk away when things are less than 100% perfect 100% of the time. I just don't see how the courts have helped marriage at all. It should not be a business arrangement Why does it have to be a life time commitment, can't you live your life without knowing what will happen, or do you need a contract defining that the person is stuck and even if they are unhappy they have to love me!?? Can we please get to the point were we want this person in our lives, and we do everything to make the person happy, because we want them, can we get to the point that we wake up in the morning look at the one we are in love with and say hi hunny, are you happy with us, and if they are not they have the option of saying no, not really dear, I think I am getting to the point where I should move on. Things in life change, people change feelings change, if people had a fear of a person they love walking a way maybe, maybe we would all try a little harder. Right now in life people are married and they think I don't have to try, they think, if you are unhappy and leave me then you are at fault, I have a contract right here that proves, till death due us part, in sickness and in health for better or for worse.......I say screw that Awesome post! Except that if marriage is what TWO people want, then they should have at it.
movinon05 Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 Ha! You'd be suprised how well my callsign fits me too! There are some things that just cant be fixed. You just have pick up and try again somewhere else. Your call sign scares the hell out of me. I have a snake phobia!
Author RealityCheck Posted August 22, 2007 Author Posted August 22, 2007 Some do! Some don't! Gee, some even raised boys and love them with every breath they take!!!! Who actually, believe it or not have become....YES! you guessed it! MEN!!! MO and I are two so far! Oh! *spank* *spank* shame on me.... I forgot one thing! Did you even know that my boys live with me and I am totally committed to my brave, bold boys!
movinon05 Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 I think that as long as people are 100% honest with each other about what they want from a R when they go into one then 'disposable Rs' shouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. I would like to know how many people, when proclaming their vows on their wedding day, sincerely DO believe that they will be together 'till death us do part'. Until I feel I can mean that 100% I wouldn't even consider getting married. We know that now because we are older and wiser. And we all know what its like to be young and inexperienced and live in la la land. That's the biggest problem I see. Inexperience in life and making decisions like marriage and til death do us part based on very little experience.
Woggle Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 And how will your boys do when they grow up in a world where feminists have told women they are nothing more than disposable sperm donors. You may love them because they are your sons but they might get involved with a woman who sees them as nothing but men to be used and discarded. Feminism will not make an exception for your sons.
movinon05 Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 It's not just a WS. It is the state of gender relations in our society. I know there are good women and my beef is not with them but I do encourage men to protect their ass. I can't deny what I see right in front of me. So let's call a spade a spade. If you saw me walking on the boardwalk, you'd run over and slap a Scarlett A on my chest to protect your gender, wouldn't you? My mom lives in the next town over. Think I'll stay on that side of the bridge.
Cobra_X30 Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 that would be negitive Because I am coming at it from a different point of view. I very much believe in marriage but I feel that courts, divorce lawyers and everything else have ruined so it is time to purify it. I believe in the lifetime commitment and that people should not just walk away when things are less than 100% perfect 100% of the time. I just don't see how the courts have helped marriage at all. It should not be a business arrangement Why does it have to be a life time commitment, can't you live your life without knowing what will happen, or do you need a contract defining that the person is stuck and even if they are unhappy they have to love me!?? Can we please get to the point were we want this person in our lives, and we do everything to make the person happy, because we want them, can we get to the point that we wake up in the morning look at the one we are in love with and say hi hunny, are you happy with us, and if they are not they have the option of saying no, not really dear, I think I am getting to the point where I should move on. Things in life change, people change feelings change, if people had a fear of a person they love walking a way maybe, maybe we would all try a little harder. Right now in life people are married and they think I don't have to try, they think, if you are unhappy and leave me then you are at fault, I have a contract right here that proves, till death due us part, in sickness and in health for better or for worse.......I say screw that I think the gist of what your saying is correct, but perhaps we need to examine our expectations for others. Sometimes life is hard. Sometimes things dont go your way. Our emotions are ephemeral and mercurial. Its how you stick to your commitments that really show who you are and what your made of! If Im not advocating living in a situation where your needs are'nt being met, or your getting abused.... ect. I'm saying if you constantly push that eject button every time things get rough.... well dammit thats what I always do.... and it isnt the best way to live!
Author RealityCheck Posted August 22, 2007 Author Posted August 22, 2007 And how will your boys do when they grow up in a world where feminists have told women they are nothing more than disposable sperm donors. You may love them because they are your sons but they might get involved with a woman who sees them as nothing but men to be used and discarded. Feminism will not make an exception for your sons. My boys will do just fine, because they are secure in their skin and all of who they are! You know why? Because I raised them to be all of that and more!
Woggle Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 So let's call a spade a spade. If you saw me walking on the boardwalk, you'd run over and slap a Scarlett A on my chest to protect your gender, wouldn't you? My mom lives in the next town over. Think I'll stay on that side of the bridge. No offense but I would probably not reccomend you to any of my friends.
Woggle Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 My boys will do just fine, because they are secure in their skin and all of who they are! You know why? Because I raised them to be all of that and more! And that says nothing about how they will be treated by the women in their life.
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