Author Melovator Posted August 8, 2007 Author Posted August 8, 2007 You admitted though that condemning misandry made you unpopular with other women. I commend you for taking that stand but I think that deep down most women are manhaters so I figue I will keep that hate to be used at any time if I have to. It will not be used against all women but I once reduced a manhating feminazi to tears and I always want to have that backbone. If a woman respects me however I will respect her back. It was in a very specific context: a room full of women who I have great respect for but whose reality I cannot accept- because I did not grow up in it. I have had all the benefit of growing up in a time and a country where I do not have to fight those battles. I've never had my head beaten in by some guy because he wants his wife back so he can beat her some more, and then have the police turn a blind eye. Despite my understanding, though, of where these particular women were coming from, I don't hate men and don't condone others doing it either. Why make the feminazi cry? Its easy to get girls to cry (yes! rampant generalisation- I know all you tough grrls out there will say) it's better to laugh at people if they're really stupid. All you need is the backbone to tell her to 'get lost' and get on with whatever you're doing. That would probably upset her more- you just gave another example of 'all men are bastards'- the best thing to do is to show her you're not a bastard and take the wind out of her sails. It's called REINFORCEMENT!!! All you did was justify her worldview! And as I used to say to my drunk of an ex-stepfather when he'd demand respect at the end of a belt or a fist "Respect has to be earned and not demanded" you start by respecting others and they'll respect you.
Woggle Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 It's not my place to try to prove to women that I am one of the good ones. To your average manhater any act of kindness from a man is considered to be weakness so if I recieve hate I return it tenfold. When I stopped trying to please my mother and started standing up to her the abuse lessened a little bit. You say you understand where those women are coming from but understand where I am coming from. Imagine having the one woman you are supposed to trust beat ou bloody sometimes and then lock you in your room so you can sit there and bleed. If you ask me it's a miracle I am not a serial killer.
Citizen Erased Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 It's not my place to try to prove to women that I am one of the good ones. To your average manhater any act of kindness from a man is considered to be weakness so if I recieve hate I return it tenfold. When I stopped trying to please my mother and started standing up to her the abuse lessened a little bit. You say you understand where those women are coming from but understand where I am coming from. Imagine having the one woman you are supposed to trust beat ou bloody sometimes and then lock you in your room so you can sit there and bleed. If you ask me it's a miracle I am not a serial killer. Again, ONE woman. Your mother doesn't represent the female population Woggle. It is truly terrible what your mother did to you Woggle. We all feel sympathy for you, really. But your women-hating views make you the replica of your mother. Her views were idiotic and totally unfounded. Hate your mother Woggle, you have earnt the right. But stop with the tendency to see all women as your mother. It in truth makes you sad and weak. You may deny it, but you always bring her actions up to justify your views. If you rise above it and treat everyone how you want to be treated then THAT makes you strong. You seeing women in the same vein as your mother for no reason makes you weak and rather sad. If you rise above your experiences and get past them, as SO many people who suffer abuse do, then THAT makes you stronger.
Author Melovator Posted August 8, 2007 Author Posted August 8, 2007 It's not my place to try to prove to women that I am one of the good ones. To your average manhater any act of kindness from a man is considered to be weakness so if I recieve hate I return it tenfold. When I stopped trying to please my mother and started standing up to her the abuse lessened a little bit. You say you understand where those women are coming from but understand where I am coming from. Imagine having the one woman you are supposed to trust beat ou bloody sometimes and then lock you in your room so you can sit there and bleed. If you ask me it's a miracle I am not a serial killer. Your mother was a criminal at the very least and such behaviour makes me want to be sick. I can't completely understand where you or anyone else is coming from- I was not a victim of my mother's physical violence, I left the house years before she lost it like that, but she would wind my stepdad up, egg him on. And yes, then I'd be locked in my room to contemplate just how amazing it was that all the marks were covered by my school uniform. And when I stood up for myself "Go on do it dad because then I've got evidence the police can photograph" it did ease. But I guess because it was really the both of them doing it together I never went down the all men are bastards road, instead I think "well everyone's at least a little f**ked up", but I don't hate everyone. Not everyone is that f**ked up. You have been wounded in ways that most people can't imagine, and don't want to imagine because they want the illusion the world is all la-di-dah and nothing bad happens, especially not to children. But you don't have to carry the baggage with you forever- or at least try to repack it so its an overnight bag not a crate! What your mother did was not about you- it was about her, you were not deficient she was.
whichwayisup Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 Then you are a sad twisted pathetic man. That's just not a nice thing to say. He knows he has issues, which is why he's in therapy. Would you say that to a woman who was abused by her father? Abused by her husband? Or had bad experiences with men in general?
notspiritual Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 It is a good thing that we can benefit from different perceptions. Woogle’s views helped me to be aware that the women he describes are indeed in significant number. This is translated by the 75% of divorce initiated by women. But I don’t blame these women. In fact, I completely understand them. They are simply taking advantage of pro-women marital laws. Their selfish behavior comes from the fact that if the marriage works they get to do nothing at home and if it does not work, they get 50% of their husband’s wealth. No wonder they behave like spoiled princess and make no effort to make the marriage works. I understand the OP call and decided to avoid being offensive in my post but it won’t stop me from expressing my thoughts.
Citizen Erased Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 That's just not a nice thing to say. He knows he has issues, which is why he's in therapy. Would you say that to a woman who was abused by her father? Abused by her husband? Or had bad experiences with men in general? Considering I was emotionally and sometimes physically abused by my step-father I guess when I see people like Woggle taking their hate out on people for absolutely no reason it pushes my buttons. I myself have every right to hate every male but I don't because I know the only person who has earnt it is my step-father. Who is thankfully now burning in hell so I can get on with my life.
Gunny376 Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 But I don’t blame these women. In fact, I completely understand them. They are simply taking advantage of pro-women marital laws. Their selfish behavior comes from the fact that if the marriage works they get to do nothing at home and if it does not work, they get 50% of their husband’s wealth. No wonder they behave like spoiled princess and make no effort to make the marriage works. The laws are not pro-women martial. They're in the middle of being "righted" from being pro-men martial. Its only been about seventy years here in America where when it came to divorce the man automatically got everything to include the children and women walked out with nothing but the clothes on their backs. And trust me, I'm far from being a activist for women's rights! But right is right, and wrong is wrong! But the law was pretty f**ked up seventy years ago. Seventy years ago? The only right a woman had when it came to divorce was to say goodbye! Seventy years ago ~ in America if you weren't white ~ you weren't right! If you don't want some woman getting half your trash ~ don't get married. Or at least don't get married young. Go out finish your education, get a job, buy a house, fill it up, buy all your boy-toys, etc. The wife is entitled to only half of what you acquire after you get married, not to what you had before you got married.
notspiritual Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 It seems I am being censored, so read my posts as long as they still exist. I am not in the mood to post on LS anymore. We cannot have our personal view, just something wishy-washed by the feminazi.
Citizen Erased Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 It seems I am being censored, so read my posts as long as they still exist. I am not in the mood to post on LS anymore. We cannot have our personal view, just something wishy-washed by the feminazi. Is that you Woggle? Really wouldn't surprise me.
notspiritual Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 I am not Woogle. Don't be surprised that more and more men are becoming aware of the typical profile of women.
sumdude Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 It seems I am being censored, so read my posts as long as they still exist. I am not in the mood to post on LS anymore. We cannot have our personal view, just something wishy-washed by the feminazi. Please stop whining .... You do realize at this point all of your complaints about women sounds like whining beneath the aggression. Buddy, everyone here has been hurt and most a lot worse than you or I. Mammax is showing true strength as a woman while you sit and pontificate on how most women are weak, lazy etc etc.. Quit yer bit**in and grow a pair already.
Citizen Erased Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 I am not Woogle. Don't be surprised that more and more men are becoming aware of the typical profile of women. It was a joke And you have apparently based your opinions on Woggle, who i believe we have determined is a very screwed up person. Your wife cheated on you, your mother didn't bash you and preach at you your entire childhood. You have picked bits and pieces of research apparently taken from the internet (wikipedia is not a reliable source btw lol) to fit in with your theory, trying to help you deal with your impending divorce. I get that. We all have to deal. But I really would hate to think you miss out on a future relationship because of what you read on here. Ask Woggle, deep down I would bet he doesn't want anyone to carry around the hate and rage he has to deal with every day. You will not be able to move on from your marriage if you cling to these beliefs. Don't give her the satisfaction of ruining the rest of your life. That is what I always repeated to myself when I left my step-fathers household. He always found enjoyment in hurting me, but it just made me hate him, because he was a dried up alcoholic who ended up killing himself with the sauce which made him abuse me and my mother. I have respected you right to express your opinion, now respect mine enough to at least consider what I have said.
LakesideDream Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 I find the whole concept of male/female "hate" curious. I have problems with my "ex". I actually hated her for a while, she "done me wrong". I don't have any hate for women in general. Six months ago I brought a problem I had with a gal I was dating casually (not a sexual relationship as of then) to LS, she was looking through my cel phone when I was out of the room. I thought that was "unacceptable" and received many opinions on it. It was pretty informative, as the opinions did generally fall on a gender based axis. I throughly enjoy the company of women. Much more fun to share time with than males my age. The idea of being a woman "hater" is laughable. Occasionally there are things that happen that aren't pleasant but most can be overcome with a smile. This comes from a guy who has actually lived most of his life already. I no longer need any other person to validate my existance. If I was desperate for a companion, or anxious to start a family maybe I would be more engaged. Those things just are not very important to me anymore. I know about love, and companionship. I miss both. I won't sacrifice who I am to have either anymore. Happiness is a day-by-day thing for me. I look forward to the good days rather than lusting for a "great future".
notspiritual Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 The wife is entitled to only half of what you acquire after you get married, not to what you had before you got married I don’t have the impression that marital laws are fairly balanced. I agree with child support but I do not understand alimony (all his money) in an age where women claim equality. The wife also get alimony to maintain the same quality of life even if that means getting a large percentage of the husband FUTURE income. Also why is the wife of a 3y marriage without children entitled to 50%of her ex-husband Wall Street bonus three years after the divorce? Why is the wife getting child custody almost automatically? I find the whole concept of male/female "hate" curious I agree. I don’t hate women for their behaviors because I think they just try to maximize their well-being. I just don't trust them. Don't give her the satisfaction of ruining the rest of your life Agreed. Also don’t lower your guard or the next girl will ruin your life.
Darth Vader Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 But there's truth in these words. Everyone has this side to them. To pretend otherwise, is to be in denial. I deny that I have this problem!:laugh:
Darth Vader Posted August 8, 2007 Posted August 8, 2007 You admitted though that condemning misandry made you unpopular with other women. I commend you for taking that stand but I think that deep down most women are manhaters so I figue I will keep that hate to be used at any time if I have to. It will not be used against all women but I once reduced a manhating feminazi to tears and I always want to have that backbone. If a woman respects me however I will respect her back. What did you do?
Darth Vader Posted August 9, 2007 Posted August 9, 2007 The laws are not pro-women martial. They're in the middle of being "righted" from being pro-men martial. Its only been about seventy years here in America where when it came to divorce the man automatically got everything to include the children and women walked out with nothing but the clothes on their backs. And trust me, I'm far from being a activist for women's rights! But right is right, and wrong is wrong! But the law was pretty f**ked up seventy years ago. Seventy years ago? The only right a woman had when it came to divorce was to say goodbye! Seventy years ago ~ in America if you weren't white ~ you weren't right! If you don't want some woman getting half your trash ~ don't get married. Or at least don't get married young. Go out finish your education, get a job, buy a house, fill it up, buy all your boy-toys, etc. The wife is entitled to only half of what you acquire after you get married, not to what you had before you got married. Except the house Gunny, remember, you said something along those lines!
Citizen Erased Posted August 9, 2007 Posted August 9, 2007 Agreed. Also don’t lower your guard or the next girl will ruin your life. That's nice. Don't think I am turning into a man or a lesbian anytime soon but hey. Why do people think I am a guy? My name, the way I speak, my pic of Ville Valo. All signs point to being a woman but Nooooooooo lol
Woggle Posted August 9, 2007 Posted August 9, 2007 What did you do? Do you mean what did I do to my mother? One day she was beating me and I hit her back and got in her face. For the first time she back down. I know it is wrong to hit your mother but I just snapped.
underpants Posted August 9, 2007 Posted August 9, 2007 Wogs, I don't really understand sometimes why peeps are so ....really mad at you. I guess you say things that upset them...(you do, and in your heart you know I am right). Maybe it is the sweeping generalizations. No one likes to be painted with a broad brush. So that is just too easy. However, I commend you for surviving tremendous abuse. That has to scar for life. I just see in a post here and there that you are seeking answers (we all are on some issue or another). I also have seen that you are/were in therapy and that you are super committed to your marriage. I personally think these are really great things. You are right, thank goodness your experiences did not lead you to fall into a more ...terrible state. I agree, vent here instead of taking it out on people in real life. I see all of this, combined with therapy (considerating your past) as all very healthy approaches. Life is a journey of experiences. How we walk through and out of those experiences defines our character. Good journey...
Woggle Posted August 9, 2007 Posted August 9, 2007 Thank you. As hard as it is to believe I really am a much nicer person offline than I come across on here. I just vent about things that bother and some women think I am talking about them personally which is not the case at all. I am always willing to give respect back to those who show it to me no matter what gender, race, religion or background they have but I don't hold my tongue when I speak about certain issues and that does upset some people. I also admit that there were times I was very pissed off and posted a bunch of misogynistic crap but I hope the good women can take it with a grain of salt because I am really not a hateful person.
lindya Posted August 9, 2007 Posted August 9, 2007 I am really not a hateful person. I don't think you come across as hateful either. Laden down with various issues, maybe, but at least there's some awareness of them and there seems to be a tone of decency/desire for fairness about your posts. Even if I don't think you always succeed in being fair when it comes to assumptions you have about the thoughts, motives and mindset of the opposite sex. The hatred and anger on the threads tends to be triggered more by malicious trolling and needling, and I think the culprits tend to be posters who use the site to distract themselves from their own issues/fake an Internet personality for themselves, to escape the reality of who they are.
Trialbyfire Posted August 9, 2007 Posted August 9, 2007 I deny that I have this problem!:laugh: Haha...deny that you're in denial over having this problem. Double negative.
sumdude Posted August 9, 2007 Posted August 9, 2007 Do you mean what did I do to my mother? One day she was beating me and I hit her back and got in her face. For the first time she back down. I know it is wrong to hit your mother but I just snapped. Every human being has the right to protect themselves from real injury and harm. Doesn't matter who the perpatrator is..
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