bish Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 IMO, the Best thing to do is to find out where you were lacking.....why she wasn't getting that emotional food from you......why she had to get it elsewhere......and how to prevent it from happening again.....too often people, "open the cage door" before they even have the, "knee to knee, you to me" talk..... I really don't agree with this idea. I've heard it from people over and over. For him to try to "prevent it from happening again" is to say that he is making the effort to keep her from cheating....not making the effort because its what he should do anyway. Whats the point in busting your ass to keep a cheater from cheating? The cheater should have come forward and stated what was wrong in the relationship and both should have worked on it. The fact she didn't do this and is seeking attention elsewhere shows that SHE is the one that needs to work on the marriage more.
KindBlindConflicted Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 ...but something about all of this smacks of denial on her part. It seems as long as she doesn't have to hear about it being her fault, then let's move forward with the marriage, all is cool, sorry I messed around, let's see what OUR problems are. Well, the problem is YOU cheated. I have suspicions that not all is on the table. No matter how much she doesn't want to because she thinks it will hurt Flex or embarrass her, IT ALL HAS TO BE PUT ON THE TABLE. Because, until it is, something will continue to gnaw at Flex. I know some people, even experts, think all the details are not necessary. Maybe for some, I don't know, but I am of the mindset that I want all the facts upfront, without having to ask time and again, no matter the pain at that point in time. Because without that voluntary "coming clean," each time a new nugget appears (and it will), you start back at square one and have to relive the hurt all over. There are only so many times this can happen before a breaking point is reached. And if you know your spouse, you can sense when the truth has been told instead of "most of the truth." Gut feelings are mentioned frequently on here for good reason. I believe that if the guilty spouse would get over themselves and come completely clean when the "gig is up," more marriages might survive infidelity. Even the great weekend has him saying he still lacks trust. What happens 20 weekends from now when he still lacks trust (which he probably will), will she still be as accomodating to discuss the issues? And if the facts are not all straight now, something new will appear and it will be back to square one. Probably worse than square one, because not only is there new information to digest, but a new lie as well--the lie created by not being upfront in the beginning. I hope I am totally wrong here. It sounds like there is something worth salvaging. I hope Flex's wife has indeed laid herself to bare or does so quickly. Good luck to you both.
Author flex Posted July 19, 2007 Author Posted July 19, 2007 Hey guys. Well things are still going well. I can honestly say that we appear to be making some real progress. She has really taken responsibility for things. She has her resume together, she says she has changed her interaction with her coworkers and really understands how she hurt me. She has been understanding of my feelings and is giving me the space to take my time getting over things. I have been doing my part to try and begin to trust her again. I have stopped looking over her shoulder, though I am obviously still on the lookout so to speak and by no means completely letting my guard down, but if this is going to work we need to start to get there from a trust standpoint. I really, really see an effort on her part and I as well have been taken many steps to right the ship so to speak. We have the best communication of our marriage the last couple weeks and are feeling so much more comfortable with each other. As a result we have been much more intimate with each other and both really getting much more out of our relationship than we were before. So I don't know how I will feel tomorrow or next week or where this whole thing is going to lead us, but at the moment I am feeling better about things. I am thinking this was caught before it got anywhere, and hopefully we can keep up with our efforts of the last few weeks and make sure nothing like this comes even remotely close to happening again. We have had some of our most romantic moments the last couple weeks, especially this past week, that I really hope it continues. She is getting more of what she wants now and so am I, so we are both happier. Hopefully this has a happy ending.
Author flex Posted July 29, 2007 Author Posted July 29, 2007 Hey everyone just an update for those who may be interested. Last week was the dreaded concert. I of course was dreading the evening, but part of me really wanted to go just to see this guy. The original plan was to meet the other two couples there early and have drinks. The complicated part of this whole thing is the other guy going was her boss, which made things more complicated. Well we skipped out on meeting up earlier and only had to deal with seeing them during the show. Life is just bizarre sometimes as our tickets who purchased a couple weeks different from the other 2 couples and we had to sit right next to each other, otherwise it would have been fine. I mean out of 10000 seats what are the chances. We did not go in until the main band started so we did not need to speak at all during the whole concert. He was there with his wife. I don't know, I am not sure I can see her having an affair with this guy, but you never know. He just did not really look her type. Hard to read him and his wife, they did not really seem to interact much during the show, so could be a sign of some issues there. After the show we did need to talk a bit, he did not say much, kept his mouth shut pretty much, looked a bit nervous. I can not read their behavior because regardless it was awkward. The worst part was just looking at the man she was emailing this crap too. THat part of it has made it worse as there is now a face on the other side of that computer. Still sucks to think about it, though I am doing that less and less. I have stop the snooping and checking up, had not found anything additional after thee original stuff. I finally met a couple other of her coworkers, after all these years and no one acted strange or anything around me, I see that as a positive. As for us, we are continuing to work at things, things are still strong. We had a very tough week do to some other family issues this week, but stayed strong through it all and remain very close lately. So at this point I am continuing to hope for the best, hoping this was a small bump in the road that will only make us stronger. So far things are going better than they have in years, so that makes me happy.
whichwayisup Posted July 29, 2007 Posted July 29, 2007 Life is just bizarre sometimes as our tickets who purchased a couple weeks different from the other 2 couples and we had to sit right next to each other, otherwise it would have been fine. I mean out of 10000 seats what are the chances. Are you sure this wasn't planned? The guy was nervous because his wife was there, you were there and HE KNOWS EXACTLY what is going on, so does your wife. Honestly, I think they both pushed it out of their heads, acted aloof (even though he was nervous and didn't talk much, he prob. was scared to talk to you) so both you and his wife wouldn't "pick up on any vibes" between them. It's good you're willing to wait this out and do your best to make sure things get better, but in all honesty, keep your eyes open. Snoop once in a while to make sure she's on the straight and narrow. You give her TOO much trust TOO soon, she'll hang herself. *Too bad you didn't take the guy aside and just tell him - Whatever it is that is going on between you and my wife is gonna stop NOW. No more flirty emails, nothing. Stay away from her. If I find out you've contacted her in a personal matter, I'll be forwarding ALL the emails and be talking to YOUR wife.* Trust me, that would've shaken him up.
JamesM Posted July 29, 2007 Posted July 29, 2007 Life is just bizarre sometimes as our tickets who purchased a couple weeks different from the other 2 couples and we had to sit right next to each other, otherwise it would have been fine. I mean out of 10000 seats what are the chances. I don't believe in coincidences like this. You are right...what are the chances? One would almost think someone planned it this way.
Sal Paradise Posted July 29, 2007 Posted July 29, 2007 Life is just bizarre sometimes as our tickets who purchased a couple weeks different from the other 2 couples and we had to sit right next to each other, otherwise it would have been fine. I mean out of 10000 seats what are the chances. Life isn't bizarre (in this case anyways), you're being naive.
Darth Vader Posted July 29, 2007 Posted July 29, 2007 Are you sure this wasn't planned? The guy was nervous because his wife was there, you were there and HE KNOWS EXACTLY what is going on, so does your wife. Honestly, I think they both pushed it out of their heads, acted aloof (even though he was nervous and didn't talk much, he prob. was scared to talk to you) so both you and his wife wouldn't "pick up on any vibes" between them. It's good you're willing to wait this out and do your best to make sure things get better, but in all honesty, keep your eyes open. Snoop once in a while to make sure she's on the straight and narrow. You give her TOO much trust TOO soon, she'll hang herself. *Too bad you didn't take the guy aside and just tell him - Whatever it is that is going on between you and my wife is gonna stop NOW. No more flirty emails, nothing. Stay away from her. If I find out you've contacted her in a personal matter, I'll be forwarding ALL the emails and be talking to YOUR wife.* Trust me, that would've shaken him up. You took the words right out of my mouth! That guy wasn't acting nervous for nothing, something obvious is/has be going on, what, I dunno. Track her now and again, but, don't have any patern as to how, or when you do it. Has the Logger picked anything up? They may be laying low for now, keep checking, keep posting. Does she have her own computer? Do you have access to detailed billing for her cell phone? If not, get it.
lostboy60645 Posted July 29, 2007 Posted July 29, 2007 Hi Flex I know that my posting here could get me run out on a rail, but I'm actually in recovery from compulsive sexual problems, along with a lot of guys and a few gals who've done similar things. Infidelity is complicated, no doubt. It seems that no one case can be pidgeon-holed or stereotyped necessarily. That being said, I believe there are some common threads amongst cheaters. My offenses are posted on my blog http://www.livingsobriety.blogspot.com. AS far as my opinion regarding your W, I don't know that an 'addict' will admit to using their drug even if they're caught red-handed. Again, that's not to say all infidelity is carried out by 'addicts', but if you read about sex addiction and compulsive affairs, you may find that she may have some or many of the characteristics that describe people with these problems. I have to agree with the bulk of the posters here. Marriage counseling seems like champion of an idea. But I did marriage counseling a few times over the past several years and 'it just didn't seem to fit' said my wife, regarding my ongoing complaints about her. The truth was, I was not telling the truth to her, to the counselor, OR EVEN TO MYSELF. That's right, I even had myself convinced of my lies, to a large degree. So, bottom line, I don't know the right answer. The easy answer, just keep going it alone with her and hope for the best. Probably a better thing to do is to bust out with that tape recorder and just leave it in her car daily for a month or so and see what you find out. If there was a simple solution to this, I'd bet this message board would not exist. In any event, I believe total honesty (and this is coming from a recovering liar) is the only way to go and, should you go into therapy with her, you'll have to bring up the fact that you snooped, you posted here, and even talk about things you have not mentioned here i.e. you masturbate to porn six nights a week etc. All this sh*t has to come out into the light, no matter how shameful and embarassing. In retrospect, having lost my wife and kids due to my continued compulsive sexual acting out, I would not have life any other way than completely honest. Good luck man. You'll need to work on yourself as much or more than she needs to work on her stuff. Sorry to say it, but it's true Lostboy60645 http://www.livingsobriety.blogspot.com
Author flex Posted July 30, 2007 Author Posted July 30, 2007 Hey guys. Honestly as strange as it seems, nothing is up with the tickets. His wife originally bought 2 for them for his birthday. Later Her boss bought 4 on his own and invited this other guy. They had two extra tickets now and knew my wife wanted to go but had not ordered so invited us. This was all months ago. So it has been in place for a few months we were all going it was not known till a few weeks ago the seats were together. Like I said I did not think I was going to be able to tell much from the get together, but did want to see the guy. I have not seen anything in the last couple weeks to make me suspicous. She has not been anywhere before/after work. I pay the cell phone bills, nothing showing up there, nothing on our phone. She also really has been putting in a strong effort. I am not by any means turing a blind eye to this whole thing, but I need to cut her some slack to see what happens. If nothing did happen beyond what I found, continuing to bring it up daily is not helping either of us. So I will keep my eyes and ears open and see how things go. Believe me I know we are not out of the woods yet.
East of Jupiter Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Question for ya, ......... What does it mean when two people go out for lunch, and come back with no lunch in a 30 min time period? Did they forget lunch, and go right to dessert? I guess it all depends on appettite and size of dessert. No?
East of Jupiter Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Hi Flex I know that my posting here could get me run out on a rail, but I'm actually in recovery from compulsive sexual problems, along with a lot of guys and a few gals who've done similar things. Infidelity is complicated, no doubt. It seems that no one case can be pidgeon-holed or stereotyped necessarily. That being said, I believe there are some common threads amongst cheaters. My offenses are posted on my blog http://www.livingsobriety.blogspot.com. AS far as my opinion regarding your W, I don't know that an 'addict' will admit to using their drug even if they're caught red-handed. Again, that's not to say all infidelity is carried out by 'addicts', but if you read about sex addiction and compulsive affairs, you may find that she may have some or many of the characteristics that describe people with these problems. I have to agree with the bulk of the posters here. Marriage counseling seems like champion of an idea. But I did marriage counseling a few times over the past several years and 'it just didn't seem to fit' said my wife, regarding my ongoing complaints about her. The truth was, I was not telling the truth to her, to the counselor, OR EVEN TO MYSELF. That's right, I even had myself convinced of my lies, to a large degree. So, bottom line, I don't know the right answer. The easy answer, just keep going it alone with her and hope for the best. Probably a better thing to do is to bust out with that tape recorder and just leave it in her car daily for a month or so and see what you find out. If there was a simple solution to this, I'd bet this message board would not exist. In any event, I believe total honesty (and this is coming from a recovering liar) is the only way to go and, should you go into therapy with her, you'll have to bring up the fact that you snooped, you posted here, and even talk about things you have not mentioned here i.e. you masturbate to porn six nights a week etc. All this sh*t has to come out into the light, no matter how shameful and embarassing. In retrospect, having lost my wife and kids due to my continued compulsive sexual acting out, I would not have life any other way than completely honest. Good luck man. You'll need to work on yourself as much or more than she needs to work on her stuff. Sorry to say it, but it's true Lostboy60645 http://www.livingsobriety.blogspot.com Flex, When I read your first post, I couldn't get past the many red flags. And you sound sooo much like me. The thing we do when we are confronted with the possibility of betrayal is to bury our heads and do our best to ignore the logical. I think we fear that it may be true and we will be forced to face the end of our marriage. I'm with Lostboy. I would go the recorder way. It's the best way to confirm one way or the other. My husband now welcomes anything I want to do. He says that I am going to find nothing and it will only help me recover trust. The more open he is, the less I feel I have to worry. But if I feel hinky about things again, I will use a hidden tape recorded. I've been through this already and I don't want to waste time with head games. And they do play head games, don't they? My husband has no male friends and has always, always come straight home. He doesn't go to bars or so much as game. Why? His choice. He is devoted to his children. He managed to have an affair anyway. I knew only because my gut instict was growing me a new leg it was kicking so hard. And he justified and denied and confused and ... a lot of illogical excuses that I still don't know why or how I swallowed. I also agree with the person who mentioned the MM's demeanor at the concert. Did she tell you that she had told the MM about her confession of the EA to you? If so, what man shows up for a possible ass kicking? And if he wasn't expecting a punch in the family jewels why? Did she tell him you were okay about things? If she did not tell the MM that she has confessed then he would continue to have an interest with her and would certainly not show up. Unless, it was for show and to appease both you and his wife. You see what I mean about logic? (I feel like Vizzini in Princess Bride) Please don't think that just because they were willing to show up it meant there is no affair. If you read long enough you will learn that people in affairs will do a great many things you would not expect and which are out of character. You will also read that when they are caught, they will cool things until the coast is clear. Deception is the trademark of affairs. That is why it is very hard for some to believe that you can love a person and cheat on them. It just takes such thought out cruelty and deception not previously thought possible of that person. One more thing, an EA for a woman is more dangerous than a physical one. You don't want to bury your head and chance that it is still going on and will grow deeper. I hope I am wrong. Good luck.
supertouch Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 in all seriousness, i wouldn't be able to remain in a relationship once i found out my "partner" cheated. i'd constantly be worrying about what she's doing and my trust would be completely broken. people who cheat are looking for instant gratification and just throw in the towel when they're "unhappy." she blames you for what went wrong in the marriage, but it takes two to resolve issues. it's obvious she doesn't love you if she resorted to having affairs instead of working on your marriage. get rid of this lady
bish Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Where to begin?? Well I will try and keep this short. I have been married for about 12 years. MY wife and I have to kids. Over the course of that time its had its ups and downs, honestly its never been a fantastic marriage, but it seemed to work for us most of the time. Its just as the years went by we have kind of grown further apart and with both of use working and raising the kids I guess our marriage kind of has become the thing that has suffered. One thing we have always had, and one of the reasons I think we have made it this long is we have both really always trusted each other. I have never, ever thought my wife would be capable of cheating on me. She is very family oriented and it just never crossed my mind, until the last few months. There have been a couple points the last few months I maybe thought..hmm. For one she started working out, and more importantly sticking too it, she has been dressing sexier to the office and her underwear is much more (or should I say less) than it used to be. Granted there could be other reasons for those things, and as I will explain later , she says there are but they are warning signs. Well thats all you need to say. Yup, those are the classic warning signs right there. Believe me, I know. She isn't doing this for you. There are going to be some people that say, "oh thats bull" and will say not to jump the gun. But take it from someone who has been there. She is doing all of this to either get noticed...but more likely, she already has someone she is interested in and is doing it for him.
Cobra_X30 Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 She has not been anywhere before/after work. I pay the cell phone bills, nothing showing up there, nothing on our phone. quote] I doubt your wife is retarded, she knows that you pay the bills and that you have access to the records. Did I ever tell you the story about the girl and the GO phone? Get the recorder going in her car, make sure you have access to her work voice and email. Otherwise your totally correct, she deserves space and some of the trust back. Just dont plant your head in the sand. BTW is she still dressing up for work and hitting the gym more than regular? This guy is her Boss??? Bad news bears. Make damn sure she goes through with this new job thing.
Author flex Posted July 30, 2007 Author Posted July 30, 2007 No this guy is NOT her boss. Her boss went to the concert with us all. This guy just works somewhere in her dept. She has toned down the dress a "little" bit. I mean she's not dressing like a tramp or anything, just showing a bit too much cleavage for my liking on a daily basis. Other than that no short skirts or anything. She has been working out still, not as much as in the spring though. Still maybe 2-3 days a week. Her back has been bothering her so she has not been able to do as much. I do have access to her work voicemail. I had checked a few times, including a couple weekends which is when I thought they might be communicating and found nothing. Work email is another story, that is locked down like fort knox at her company. No one can access from beyond the walls of the office. They are a financial company. So that I do not have access to unfortunately. As for the recorder if she still is going to lunch with the guy she is not using her car, as it is quite a mess and she would never have anyone in it in the condition it is in. She had been keeping it clean for awhile which is when I think the height of their lunches were. So not sure it would do me much good. Head is not in sand. KEEPING my eyes open.
East of Jupiter Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 No this guy is NOT her boss. Her boss went to the concert with us all. This guy just works somewhere in her dept. She has toned down the dress a "little" bit. I mean she's not dressing like a tramp or anything, just showing a bit too much cleavage for my liking on a daily basis. Other than that no short skirts or anything. She has been working out still, not as much as in the spring though. Still maybe 2-3 days a week. Her back has been bothering her so she has not been able to do as much. I do have access to her work voicemail. I had checked a few times, including a couple weekends which is when I thought they might be communicating and found nothing. Work email is another story, that is locked down like fort knox at her company. No one can access from beyond the walls of the office. They are a financial company. So that I do not have access to unfortunately. As for the recorder if she still is going to lunch with the guy she is not using her car, as it is quite a mess and she would never have anyone in it in the condition it is in. She had been keeping it clean for awhile which is when I think the height of their lunches were. So not sure it would do me much good. Head is not in sand. KEEPING my eyes open. Well I for one am rooting for you Flex. I respect your optimism and ability to trust your wife. If she doesn't appreciate that, she's a fool. Your reaction to your wife's EA is very illustrative of the differences is how wo/men respond to betrayal. Women usually will take a physical affair as less serious than an emotional one. I am one of those women. Men usually will take an EA so long as their partner has not had sex with the other guy. That seems to be the deal breaker. At this point in my life, I would accept neither and would be in MC quicker than you can say "STD."
Author flex Posted July 30, 2007 Author Posted July 30, 2007 Well I would not say this is a great deal of trust at the moment, but I am trying. She is trying to rebuild it. She alerted me last week he was going to be at a work dinner and offered not to go. I am usually not an optimistic person but I have done so much snooping I would think I would have something more concrete. Maybe I am wrong. If I am it will come out, at least I hope so. Also if I catch her lying about anything it is over, I have already told her that.
JamesM Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 She has been working out still, not as much as in the spring though. Does he work out with her? Do you know?
East of Jupiter Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Well I would not say this is a great deal of trust at the moment, but I am trying. She is trying to rebuild it. She alerted me last week he was going to be at a work dinner and offered not to go. I am usually not an optimistic person but I have done so much snooping I would think I would have something more concrete. Maybe I am wrong. If I am it will come out, at least I hope so. Also if I catch her lying about anything it is over, I have already told her that. You are doing the right thing. And I don't see it as you being wrong or right. I see it as her being wrong or right. Trusting someone is an incredible gift humans give each other. If the recipient abuses that trust, it makes our gift no less incredible. My husband commited a series of "mistakes" which were so small as to not warrant a divorce. And I'm still living that. I posted his latest violation. Once again, would I leave this man over something that never was but that shows a past pattern? I'm in emotional limbo. For the first time in our twenty year marriage and despite the betrayal(s), I can think of being happier without him. This is huge only because my marriage is very good in all other aspects. But living with a person you can't ever fully trust but love and loves you is very difficult. It is my mother's life. The one I never wanted. The first words out of my therapist years ago, and which I dismissed until recently (please don't ask me why I'm not stupid or naive), has been pinging around my head ... "he can never be trusted." Disclaimer: His affair was long-distance no physical contact, though not for lack of trying. He was also trying to land any woman he could through work and internet. He seemed to be in a frenzy at the time. Like he finally gave himself permission. However, he has cheated on every single woman he has ever been with. He had no serious or long term relationship before me. He has been an incredibly great husband to me and father to his children. He makes no excuses. He confessed to everything he ever did in the past. For him it was the only way to change and here is the ironic part, he is the happiest he has ever been. He is no longer living a secret life. It took hurting the one woman he loved the most and the chance of losing his children for him to feel happy? He gets to be happy now and I get to live with doubt. Talk about a kick in the teeth.
Cobra_X30 Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Flex, Im so glad that the guy isnt her boss. I didnt mean to imply that you were putting your head in the sand, so much as imploring you not to in the near future. I know that after being trusting for so long it can be absolutely soul sucking to keep snooping and checking. On that note, I am really glad that things are going well for you. Your doing way better with this than I ever could.
Darth Vader Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 I guess it all depends on appettite and size of dessert. No? It depends on "what's" for dessert!
Darth Vader Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Flex, When I read your first post, I couldn't get past the many red flags. And you sound sooo much like me. The thing we do when we are confronted with the possibility of betrayal is to bury our heads and do our best to ignore the logical. I think we fear that it may be true and we will be forced to face the end of our marriage. I'm with Lostboy. I would go the recorder way. It's the best way to confirm one way or the other. My husband now welcomes anything I want to do. He says that I am going to find nothing and it will only help me recover trust. The more open he is, the less I feel I have to worry. But if I feel hinky about things again, I will use a hidden tape recorded. I've been through this already and I don't want to waste time with head games. And they do play head games, don't they? My husband has no male friends and has always, always come straight home. He doesn't go to bars or so much as game. Why? His choice. He is devoted to his children. He managed to have an affair anyway. I knew only because my gut instict was growing me a new leg it was kicking so hard. And he justified and denied and confused and ... a lot of illogical excuses that I still don't know why or how I swallowed. I also agree with the person who mentioned the MM's demeanor at the concert. Did she tell you that she had told the MM about her confession of the EA to you? If so, what man shows up for a possible ass kicking? And if he wasn't expecting a punch in the family jewels why? Did she tell him you were okay about things? If she did not tell the MM that she has confessed then he would continue to have an interest with her and would certainly not show up. Unless, it was for show and to appease both you and his wife. You see what I mean about logic? (I feel like Vizzini in Princess Bride) Please don't think that just because they were willing to show up it meant there is no affair. If you read long enough you will learn that people in affairs will do a great many things you would not expect and which are out of character. You will also read that when they are caught, they will cool things until the coast is clear. Deception is the trademark of affairs. That is why it is very hard for some to believe that you can love a person and cheat on them. It just takes such thought out cruelty and deception not previously thought possible of that person. One more thing, an EA for a woman is more dangerous than a physical one. You don't want to bury your head and chance that it is still going on and will grow deeper. I hope I am wrong. Good luck. I agree, on the exception that a PA is as dangerous if not more dangerous than an EA, because a PA can, and/or will get a person an STD, or worse AIDS! But from what's been said, an EA for a woman can help cause a PA, but not always.
Darth Vader Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 She has not been anywhere before/after work. I pay the cell phone bills, nothing showing up there, nothing on our phone. quote] I doubt your wife is retarded, she knows that you pay the bills and that you have access to the records. Did I ever tell you the story about the girl and the GO phone? Get the recorder going in her car, make sure you have access to her work voice and email. Otherwise your totally correct, she deserves space and some of the trust back. Just dont plant your head in the sand. BTW is she still dressing up for work and hitting the gym more than regular? This guy is her Boss??? Bad news bears. Make damn sure she goes through with this new job thing. Is a GO phone a prepaid phone?
East of Jupiter Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 It depends on "what's" for dessert! Touche! No generalizing! I am a notoriously slow eater. I'm going to take my time.
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