halfarock Posted July 11, 2007 Posted July 11, 2007 Ok as for people starting to believe there is no God... You misunderstand my position. It is not that I believe there is no god, I’ve never believed, nothing and no one has yet to convince me of even the possibility of a god. There is no belief on my part one way or the other. Belief is your thing, not mine. I only rail against it because it so boggles my mind that so many people cling to something that is so patently false. 79% of the World and 86% of Americans are still Christians Statistics are hard to go by. In places such as France and Germany it is said that as many as 80% are Christians of some type, yet polls have shown that only 25% believe in a god in any meaningful way, in Sweden that number drops to like 10%. I’ve seen political analyses that suggest that in all of Europe; only in Poland is there sufficient religious belief to affect political outcomes. I can also say after 2000 + years people still believe. If this was truly a fairytale of sorts don't you think it would have died out by now. And many of those people once thought that the earth was the center of the universe, even going as far as to viciously and publicly murder those who dared point out the truth of the matter. Nor do you take into account that during most of that time that the vast majority of those people were illiterate and grossly ignorant on a great many of subjects. Studies have shown that ignorant people tend to be vastly more superstitious than highly educated, intelligent people. There is a reason people still believe, they have experienced proof, miracles, a feeling inside that could not be felt before, etc... When I was in my late teens, some friends and I used to hike up to a ridge that sat at 13,000 feet. From that vantage point, at night, we could see the lights of the whole of the Denver metropolitan area stretching out seemingly over the curve of the earth. It was an awesome sight. It was well above timberline and the landscape was littered with rocks and little else. One day an electrical storm moved in and we found ourselves in the midst of a cloud with a great deal of electrical activity going on. Ozone filled our nostrils, our hair stood on end. There was such a roar, such a power in the air that even a rocket engine would be insignificant by comparison. I was aware of the forces involved and welcomed it from the point of view of curiosity, and of the thrill of the moment. At the same time I could see how such a sense of awe in the face of such power could lead superstitious minds to think that it could have been nothing less than god. There are many stories in the Bible that talk of God's love a mercy for his people. And there are stories of him being vengeful, cruel, and petty. Think about this. In the bible, the Egyptians are not God’s people. They are the people of a different god. No wonder your god is so jealous. According to a much-discussed survey reported in the journal Nature in 1997, 70 percent of biologists, physicists and mathematicians said they believed in God - and not just a nonspecific transcendental presence but, as the survey put it, a God to whom one may pray "in expectation of receiving an answer." Where do you get this stuff? I didn’t find this in a copy in 1997 but in a 1998 issue of Nature there was this: Comparison of survey answer among “greater” scientists Belief in personal God 1914 1933 1998 Personal belief 27.7 15 7.0 Personal disbelief 52.7 68 72.2 Doubt or agnosticism 20.9 17 20.8 Figures are percentages You are absolutely wasting your time if you think that you or anyone else is ever going to convince me of your beliefs. I find them to be absurd. I spent many years trying to understand why one believes, and conversely why some of us see it as silliness. One thing that I’ve discovered is that human nature is such that some people seem to have a need to follow, to belong, to be told what to do. Others are quite the opposite. This can be seen in politics as everything tends to divide along the lines of leader centric vs people centric, conservatism vs liberalism, religious vs not so religious. To a religious person, it is thought that morality and whatnot arises out of the command of god. To the non-religious person morality comes about because one sees the benefit in being a good person and treating others well. Just because someone follows the rules and does what is commanded of him does not necessarily make him a good person. It just makes him a person that follows the rules and does what is commanded of him.
Brioli Posted July 11, 2007 Posted July 11, 2007 Ok I give...go ahead and continue your narcissistic view on beliefs and Christianty. It's on your head. You do not make any sense...You say God is false, yet you say you don't believe one way or the other. FYI Your statistics are wrong based on what have read. I would love to know what you base these statistics on or where your getting your information from?? You said, "It is not that I believe there is no god, I’ve never believed, nothing and no one has yet to convince me of even the possibility of a god." Noticed that you said..."NO ONE HAS YET TO CONVINCE ME".....ugh....Do I need to repeat myself? It's not the people's job to convince you. This is where I stopped reading. Utter nonsense Either way..I have done my part here. I will pray for you, for all of you.
high_boost Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 Either way..I have done my part here. I will pray for you, for all of you. you do that babe.. while your at it make out your list to santa.
disgracian Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 Notice how quickly religious people switch between faux-compassion to anger and disdain because you continue to have a mind of your own? Cheers, D.
halfarock Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 And why is it that they always think that they have to pray for us? If there really was a god, it would be so tired of people always praying for me.
love necessity Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 If you seriously get your feel of the world from what you see on TV or hear from people you are living dangerously. I don't live by what the television says. I laugh at what the TV says. God this, God that. Where was God when Tsunami hit? Where was God during the hurricane that hit Louisiana and killed thousands of people? Where is he now, while people are living on the streets? Where is he? There are millions of people in Africa dieing everyday due to Malaria, where is he to help these people? I know what your going to say before you even say it. "Oh, all these people are in a better place." But, when their here we'll pray for them to get better. Don't you get it, your so called "God" is all in your and everyone else's head. It terrifies me that you listen to people at all. It should terrify you that your so called "God" doesn't lift a finger in natural disasters, epidemic diseases, and when innocent people are dieing. That is what should terrify you. Even then, it's not likely you'll ever know exactly what's going on. Look at the President of the United States...he has access to all kinds of information and he doesn't have a clue. You could probably tell him a thing or two. That's probably because he doesn't read, or try to learn the facts
love necessity Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 you posted the Ten Commandments, found in the Old Testament, but if you follow Jesus' teachings, you understand that he boiled down those ten not-so easy-to-keep laws into just two: Love God, and love one another. Because out of the love that flows into a relationship with God comes a love for mankind – the stuff that inspires people to want to make the world a better place for mankind. Not so easy, eh,You shall have no other Gods before me. how hard can this possibly be?You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. If you are a "true" Christian, then this should be an easy one!You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain. Easy one.4.Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.Easy, but if someone actually wanted to go to Church on a Sunday, they would make it happen.Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you. I don't see how this could be hard--especially knowing that Christians are all forgiving and and loving right?You shall not murder.--This one is pretty easy, I mean I don't think people go out and kill someone everyday!You shall not commit adultery.--damn, this is the one people just keep on breaking. You shall not steal.--WOW, this one is the hardest!! You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.--again, hard one seeing that no one gets along with their neighborly neighbors....Darn. 10.You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s."--let me go screw the neighbor, who happens to be married. OMG!! What is so hard about these commandments???? They could seriously be followed!!! But, I forgot, religions have their own commandments now. It's a bunch of crock!! so instead of being scandalized at how others fail to "be" good Christians because they screw around or drink excessively or have raging hate in their heart for a people they don't know, try to see it in terms of the mandates that Jesus asks of man, of loving and forgiving human nature. I think I have a right to be "scandalized",, because most Christians aren't all cracked out to be what they claim! Now, tell me again, what is so impossible about following the Ten Commandments, that you so "innocently" claim, by calling yourself a Christian!! Oh, better yet, why don't you ask your pastor!! Isn't the point of Christianity to try and live a "SINFREE" life? that's the point of trying to live a Godly life, dear. A Godly dear life? What's that. I haven't heard anything about that faith yet, so fill me in! And in the whole scheme of things, what's the greater sin – boinking some chick you picked up in a bar after getting shxt-faced, or harboring a murderous hate for a sibling you cannot bring yourself to forgive? Both of them are wrong to me, but your Christian, so I guess there are exceptions, right? It all goes back to love and forgiveness: When your relationship with God is the result of mutual love, then it naturally flows to your relationship with others, and suddenly, forgiveness isn't such a foreign concept. Love--why don't I see more people trying to help out the millions of people that are going through a hard time right now? Why is it mostly Christians, that are not accepting of people? Why do Christians judge? That's not Christianity to me. One topic that interests me is "premarital sex", which is prohibited. Why do people have it, then turn around and want to call themselves "Christian". Isn't that using his name in vain??? what's the hang-up about sin and Christianity? Sin doesn't make one any less a Christian, and being a Christian doesn't make someone less sinful. But, the point to living a Christain life is to try and live sin free! I think someone would have the choice to sleep around or not. A person's spirituality is a work in progress, and there 1are going to be stains and smears and messy spots, but that's all right, because God understands that's sometimes how it's going to be – even though we are made in his image and carry his divine imprint, he knows that we also are tempted to do things to hurt our relationship with him and with others. Which is where the love and forgiveness thing come into play. So that jusifies a person to keep on repeating the same sin over and over again, right? Where's the progress in that?
Moose Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 I think the real reason you can't continue is pretty obvious to most people here.Yes, it is obvious, she's talking to a pompuos audience that craves attention and wants to be known by their intellect, instead of constructively and politely explaining their views and opinions as just that, "views and opinions", and not FACT......
quankanne Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 only in Poland is there sufficient religious belief to affect political outcomes … Studies have shown that ignorant people tend to be vastly more superstitious than highly educated, intelligent people. interesting thought. Does this mean all Poles are ignorant and superstitious? :confused: people tend to feel that a need for spiritual belief is unnecessary when they are in control of their own little worlds. Science and medicine can explain and treat most illnesses; education brings a wealth of other viewpoints; intelligence helps us to achieve what we want. However, faith and spirituality seem to be the stronghold of people who face great struggles but don't have all those material things to do battle with. Even if they did, they understand that their faith in God can change the world, one heart at a time. back to the Poles. We all know that they were a Communistic country for several decades after World War II. We also know that the Church had her wings clipped for fear that she would "incite" people to overthrow Communist leaders. Meanwhile, there were many, many Poles who had a strong faith forged by centuries of oppression and it was that strong faith that gave them the courage to topple the Communistic government because they believed what they were taught in catechism, that man had worth because he was a child of God. Unlike what the Communists were teaching, that man was just a mindless drone whose sole purpose in life was to support the system … now, explain to me how a so-called superstitious faith – in this case staunch Catholicism – failed an oppressed people? Don't you reckon that if faith and prayer … which leads to these kinds of national and social and political results … can set into motion the collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe, it can also give individuals a treasure just as great?
quankanne Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 LN – I'm not denying that people should follow the Ten Commandments, just saying that Jesus put them into simpler terms (love) that would have the same outcome. Knowing human nature as he did, he may have figured that it made more sense to encourage them to go about these commands in a positive way (again, using love) rather than telling them, "no! You're bad! You can't do this or this or this!" Because a majority of people fight against commands, but respond much more positively to simple suggestions ... why don't you ask your pastor!! *smile* I do believe that my priests would remind me that Jesus came to fulfill the law rather than bash us over the head with it A Godly life? What's that. I haven't heard anything about that faith yet, so fill me in! "dear," an endearment. "Godly life," to live as God asks of us ... regardless of the flavor of religion we practice (Judaism, Catholicism, Protestantism, etc) Both of them are wrong to me, but your Christian, so I guess there are exceptions, right? oh, sex outside marriage is a sin, no doubt about that, but I believe people find it much, much easier to make reparation for that kind of sin than it is to forgive someone for whom you have serious hate. I guess you could say that as someone who sometimes has a hard time practicing forgiveness when I feel I've been wronged, I see that inflexibility and hate as the greater sin, because it goes against the very thing Jesus asks us to do, which is to love one another. But I can see how an intellectual like yourself has a problem with the sin of sex when we are explicitly told not to be adulterers (or fornicators) when you only see the Commandments from the OT viewpoint. Love -- why don't I see more people trying to help out the millions of people that are going through a hard time right now? Why is it mostly Christians, that are not accepting of people? Why do Christians judge? That's not Christianity to me. nor is it to me, to be honest. My guess is that some folks have missed the message of love that Jesus preached because they're fixated on the Old Testament viewpoint of things, that God is a harsh judge who only is interested in punishing. Whereas Jesus preaches the God of reconciliation and love. I also think it has to do with human nature, and how shame leads us to respond to harsher terms, rather than gentler ones, so it's easy to go fundamentalist on others and judge, judge, judge. All that I ask is that you allow that there are people who "get" what Jesus preached and are living that message, be they self-described Christians or not. The others? Well, I like to think of them as works in progress, folks on a journey where they're going to learn a lot of things to help them grow closer to God and others. the point to living a Christain life is to try and live sin free! while we carry the mark of the divine because we are created by God, we also are human, and we have something called free will that allows us to fall into sin if we make bad choices. What Christ came to do is to remind us that God loves us no matter what we do, and no matter how "bad" we are he'll forgive us those sins if we just seek it. It's like every other interpersonal relationship we experience, that must be constantly refined so that it flows as smoothly as possible. So I believe that the point of living a Christian life is to keep my relationship with God intact, loving him so that I can love and do right by others. I know this doesn't make much sense, but it goes back to what Jesus asks: Love God, and love one another … that's it. So that justifies a person to keep on repeating the same sin over and over again, right? Where's the progress in that? sin is never justified. However, because we are human and prone to occasions of sin, we repeat those sins for however many times until we realize that we're hurting someone (ourselves, another, God), and the progress "comes" when we understand just how that sin is messing us up. Sin is like a learning experience: It can take us longer to figure some things out than it does other things, but eventually we do figure it out.
halfarock Posted July 13, 2007 Posted July 13, 2007 Yes, it is obvious, she's talking to a pompuos audience that craves attention and wants to be known by their intellect, instead of constructively and politely explaining their views and opinions as just that, "views and opinions", and not FACT...... Okay, it is my view and opinion that religious people come off as really silly, acting like their non-existent god is real. Of course my opinion is based on the FACT that there is no god. Get real.
nicki Posted July 13, 2007 Posted July 13, 2007 I was raised catholic but I don't belong or subscribe to any religion now. When I was a child, I asked a nun why God would give us all brains and reasoning ability if he didn't want us to use them? I also asked why God would be so egotistical as to expect us to worship him constantly and give up human lives like the nuns did. I could never reconcile the idea of a jealous, egotistical god with the beauty I saw in nature and people. I found much more "christian" ideals in eastern religions. In buddhism, they have a story about using a boat to get across the river. When you get to the other side, you get out of the boat and walk on your way. You don't turn around and worship the boat. It got you across the river. The rest is up to you. In my opinion, the structure of religion seems to be an external form of discipline one follows until they internalize the "rules" and don't need to go to church to be a good person. I've always thought a hermit on a hill who is a good person and helps others is the one who gets it. He should go to heaven. According to many religions, he will not go to heaven because he "hasn't accepted Jesus into his heart." What a load of bunk. According to that way of thinking, a "sinner" who cheats, lies, etc, but who goes to church and "accepts Jesus" will go to heaven no problem. Religion is artificial and man-made. I do much better living according to the "guidelines" of yogic thought. Notice they are "guidelines," not "rules." And they take into account human nature. Which, logically, God would, right? Just for fun, for those who are interested. The Yogic Guidelines: 1. Do no harm 2. Tell the truth 3. No stealing (inclues items, people, credit for things where not due, etc.) 4. Sex only where there is love (also refers to keeping sexual energy in balance) 5. Don't be greedy The above guidelines clear away negative physical and mental states of being and lead to: 1. Be pure (be clean in body and environment, good, thoughts, etc.) 2. Be content (with what you have, learn from lessons and grow from them.) 3. Be disciplined (exercise, speak gently, do daily work necessary for your goals, etc.) 4. Study yourself and your motives, beliefs (be introspective) 5. Be devoted (relinquish ego and center on your highest ideal) ** I've taught my own children to simply replace the word "God" or "Jesus" with the word "Love." It always fits. And it's what makes us act like the best people we can be. Anyway, like the poet William Blake said, "All religions are one." It's true: they are more similar than different. They are about understanding and loving ourselves, and loving one another. What more could any "God" ask for in a people? Whatever gets you there is good.
quankanne Posted July 13, 2007 Posted July 13, 2007 Get real. whose reality will be the accepted reality? An agnostics? A Christian? A non-Christian? Someone who is gnostic? How can someone decide what is right for me, a believer, if we aren't even on the same page? I've always thought a hermit on a hill who is a good person and helps others is the one who gets it. He should go to heaven. According to many religions, he will not go to heaven because he "hasn't accepted Jesus into his heart." What a load of bunk. According to that way of thinking, a "sinner" who cheats, lies, etc, but who goes to church and "accepts Jesus" will go to heaven no problem. this is where man errs, thinking that his opinion matters in a relationship between a specific person and God. Only God knows the heart – man only knows what he sees at a given moment in a given situation (in this case, focusing on another's sin). as you point out, it's the person who allows God's will to work through him – whether he calls it God's will or intuition or conscience – who "gets" what it is about. I think people get caught up in the trappings of religion instead of focusing on the actual relationship man has with God. Religion is merely the vehicle used for a spiritual journey.
halfarock Posted July 13, 2007 Posted July 13, 2007 In one of those Merlin movies (Merlin from the King Arthur and the round table stories) there is a scene towards the end where Merlin (a druid priest) is talking to the Lady of the Lake (a goddess of sorts in Celtic Europe). The time of King Arthur was during the transition, in England, from the old ways to the then newer Christian way and a more centralized government. Merlin was telling the Lady that gods only exist when people believe in them; that the changing of society from an agrarian, dispersed way of life, to a more centralized state was leading people to a more centralized religion; that the Lady and those like her no longer mattered. As their conversation drew to a close she faded into nothingness. The Christian god is no different from the Lady of the Lake. Some of you see it as real because you believe it to be real. But it is an illusion and it is fading away.
nicki Posted July 13, 2007 Posted July 13, 2007 Religion is about power, and hierarchy. I want nothing to do with it. I agree that religion can be a vehicle to spirituality or enlightenment, but it's not good to worship the "boat" as in my above story example. Religion is the boat, not the whole deal. And religion is only a story with many versions being told. Whatever story you believe, whether it is the bible or the Lady of the Lake is up to you. And I do think a lot of people use religion as a rationalization and justification for their actions, or to believe in an after life. I have also seen people use religion as a smokescreen so they can lie, cheat, etc, without tarnishing their image. Show me a person with a good heart who treats others well. That's all I need to know about someone. I watch what they do. Overly religious people scare me. Often times they have no mind of their own. It's one thing to agree with a "truth" that one hears, but it's another to blindly follow any dogma.
nicki Posted July 13, 2007 Posted July 13, 2007 I once had a date with a guy who told me, "You can trust me. I'm Christian." That made me run the other way! (Not that I cared he was christian, just that he would expect me to blindly trust him because of that! Not very christian to use that.)
Moose Posted July 13, 2007 Posted July 13, 2007 acting like their non-existent god is realCan you prove to me that He doesn't exist? Until you can, IMO you shouldn't be making outlandish accusations such as this:But it is an illusion and it is fading away.Of course my opinion is based on the FACT that there is no god.
halfarock Posted July 13, 2007 Posted July 13, 2007 Can you prove to me that He doesn't exist? Until you can, IMO you shouldn't be making outlandish accusations... I don't have to prove that is doesn't exist. The burden of proof is on you. You and your ilk are insisting that there is a god. Well, where is it? All you can come up with is "you have to believe" That's a load of crap. If I told you that I had a pig that could really fly. That it had wings and all. You would probably say that it was preposterous, say that you wouldn't believe it until I showed it to you. Well, where is your god? If you can't show it, demonstrate its existence then you are just blowing hot air.
disgracian Posted July 14, 2007 Posted July 14, 2007 Yes, it is obvious, she's talking to a pompuos audience that craves attention and wants to be known by their intellect, instead of constructively and politely explaining their views and opinions as just that, "views and opinions", and not FACT...... Way to insult everybody in this thread who refuted her unfounded claims. You just managed to portray people who make intelligent posts in a bad light. Cheers, D.
SierraMarie Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Prophecy is a whole other topic, and I fear my post is becoming too long already. I find it interesting that that's the only topic you DIDN'T comment on. Is it because you have nothing to say about it and no way to disprove the fact that it is actually real and true? And then of course that would be going against your own beliefs that there is no God if you admitted that you don't have an answer for that one. How else would you explain the fact that all these prophecies came true if there is no God?
SierraMarie Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 It wasn’t until I was put into a gifted and talented program did I find others who questioned god and religion as I did. And whoa, what a revelation; many of the smart kids doubted god while all the dumb kids accepted it without question. Well, I was in a gifted and talented program as well and I believe in God so your point here really makes no sense. How do you think people learn about god? Someone tells them, they read about it. They read stuff other people wrote. You’ll never find a person who lived on a desert island with no prior knowledge of Jesus, suddenly waking up one day and finding Jesus. People only find out about Jesus by being told or reading. Religion and god, it’s all learned, it doesn’t come naturally. If god was real and universal then it would be the same everywhere. But it’s not because religion is made up, it arises out of one’s culture, not the other way around. In the beginning, man created god. And does that situation actually really exist? Does anybody actually live on an island by themselves with no human contact? I really don't think so. That's because that's not how it was meant to be. People were supposed to be around other people.
disgracian Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 I have plenty to say about prophecy, but it's off-topic for this thread. If you really want a discussion about it then PM me or start a new thread. Whichever you prefer. Cheers, D.
SierraMarie Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 I understand what your saying. But, why sin?? Isn't the point of Christianity to try and live a "SINFREE" life? One topic that interests me is "premarital sex", which is prohibited. Why do people have it, then turn around and want to call themselves "Christian". Isn't that using his name in vein??? No, that's not using His name in vain. Apparently you don't know so much about the ten commandments after all so you probably shouldn't be saying that it is so easy to follow them. Have you ever actually tried to follow them or anything the bible teaches? Didn't think so. Perhaps you should try believing in God. He may be able to help you with all of your "insecurities". That's another thing. To all the people who have posted and don't believe in God, I wanted to ask you a question. Do you have any problems in your life that you haven't been able to solve or anything at all that you're unhappy with? Maybe God could solve that problem for you or give you peace about something. Just something to think about.
Zona76 Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 I don't agree with "Born Again" concepts. They believe once saved always saved. This ideal destroys what other Christians feel is right for them. The once saved concept is You're forgiven as long as you believe. I look at God as being my parent. I am his child. I must follow the rules or suffer the discipline. However like any good parent he is a loving one and weeps over your sufferings. Christianity is taken apart and dissected into so many separate degrees. And sadly most don't take it any more than a belief, nor in a "Way Of Life" as it should be. Your friend has serious issues. She's Christian by "popular demand" and not by way of life or choice. Christian Belief should be more than Sunday only. Sad though as it's not.
lonelybird Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 And I do think a lot of people use religion as a rationalization and justification for their actions, or to believe in an after life. I have also seen people use religion as a smokescreen so they can lie, cheat, etc, without tarnishing their image. It is nature:o. Human beings are born of sinful natures, and we are living in a sinful world. What people did wrong is their flesh. What can you expect? If you ever read Bible, Bible teach "don't lie, don't commit adultery, don't worship idols", they are all in the Ten commandments. People who use religion to cheat, lie, do bad things are really their FLESH was working, NOT because of their belief, but because they really did NOT follow Lord's teaching. Let me quote what flesh do, and what spirit do at the end. Do you know about God? Do you know Jesus? How can you say people is better than Jesus? Jesus is the only one is perfect on earth. If you can find one person who was belittled, beaten to unrecognizable, spited by a group of people, this one person forgave them after all these torture and willing to die for these people, so they can live, then I will agree with you that people is better than God. Christianity is not only a boat, it is about RELATIONSHIP with Lord. Changing begins from within, from heart. Can you deny others experiences with God simply you don't have one yet? How can you know their experiences aren't true? Can you say they are blindly believing in God JUST because YOU cannot prove it or understand it? you mean they are all liars? so many respectable people who trully love God and love people are liars? Galatians: Work of flesh 5:16 What I say is this: let the Spirit direct your lives, and you will not satisfy the desires of the human nature. 5:17 (*)For what our human nature wants is opposed to what the Spirit wants, and what the Spirit wants is opposed to what our human nature wants. These two are enemies, and this means that you cannot do what you want to do. 5:18 If the Spirit leads you, then you are not subject to the Law. 5:19 What human nature does is quite plain. It shows itself in immoral, filthy, and indecent actions; 5:20 in worship of idols and witchcraft. People become enemies and they fight; they become jealous, angry, and ambitious. They separate into parties and groups; 5:21 they are envious, get drunk, have orgies, and do other things like these. I warn you now as I have before: those who do these things will not possess the Kingdom of God. Galatians: the fruit of the spirit 5:22 But the Spirit produces love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 5:23 humility, and self-control. There is no law against such things as these. 5:24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have put to death their human nature with all its passions and desires. 5:25 The Spirit has given us life; he must also control our lives. 5:26 We must not be proud or irritate one another or be jealous of one another.
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