Enough BS...the truth about cheating males and more!

[shadowofman]

Seeing as how I see so many people, women as well as men, with the same problem (ultimately!), over and over again, I'd like to give a comprehensive description of the sexual mind of the average, modern male (I would love to be able to do the same for females, but I am not qualified). You will not like what you hear. You may deny what I describe. Even some men my deny that they feel this way, and they may be telling the truth. It's is my experience that most men are the same however. (You also wouldn't know either way. Even in this anonymous forum, men could be attempting to protect a reputation)

Cheating is wrong!

Everyone knows that it's wrong. It's wrong for men, women, all creeds, all nationalities. It's is morally wrong in my opinion. First, cheating can only be defined as lying or omitting information, to someone that you are emotionaly and/or sexually intimate with about emotional/sexual encounters with an outsider to the relationship. Fantasizing is cheating if you deny it. Porn is cheating if you hide it. You could be in an open relationship and still be a cheater if you never tell your partner about the encounter. But, if there is complete honesty, there is no cheating. Cheating is lying about sex, and not simply having sex with someone else. That's an affair and there is nothing morally wrong with an affair as long as honesty is not compromised.

Jealously vs Possessiveness

Big diff! Nothing wrong with jealousy if your love interest is showing someone else more attention than to you. Jealously is a moral emotion. Possessiveness is something different. It is an immoral emotion. You don't own anyone. It is your right to know what is happening with the penis' and vaginas' that you are having sex with, but you don't own them. And there is nothing wrong with leaving someone for using there sex in ways that disgust you, but you do not own anyone.

Promiscuity vs. Monogamy

Fact: Almost all life on earth is promiscuous. From fungus to mammals. It is behavior with a strong genetic foundation. Not just that, but our closest living relatives are very promiscuous. Genetic evidence has proven that human beings also are very, very promiscuous. No one will ever know how promiscuous humans actually are, because the other great gift we share with our ape cousins is the ability to lie. The problem is that, down the road to becoming human, child rearing became much more complicated. Pregnancy became more dangerous to the female and the child. Babies need more time to develop than ape babies. What so many have called 'human pair bonding' developed for this exact reason and what a great adaptation it was. Romantic love is awesome! Dispite what it sounds like, 'human pair bonding' is not specificaly monogamy. It could be polygamy too. In fact most human cultures, throughout history have been polygamous. Mostly male dominated, but not always. Some pacific island cultures are headed by women and their male harems. It is the wider spread male domination, I believe, which first introduced the concept of adultery. I want to vomit just thinking of the number of women in history that were most likely raped by promiscuous males and then killed by there promiscuous husbands for adultery. I am equally sickened by possessive attitutes such as, the promiscuous man that leaves his woman for her indiscretions, a very common modern issue.

We live in a new, more enlightened age however. There is more of an equality among men and women in our society. Male possessiveness is still very common. Women have been liberated, and in some cases, they are more possessive than their men. Our modern culture of 'monogamy on the surface, promiscuity in the closet' is so pervasive and so new and goes against our nature so strongly that it is the only logical adaptation to imposed monogamous morality. Men are forced to act monogamous, because that seems to be what women want from them. As I've said before, no one will ever know how many men are naturally promiscuous. My guess is at least 75%.

Women...want a test to see if your man is promscuous or monogamous.

!!!!Warning!!!!! You probably don't want to know. This may start a fight!!! You may never find a monogamous man again!!!!!

What do you know already? What are you not afraid to ask?

Does your man fantasize about people other than you?

50/50 chance. He could still be monogamous.

Does your man like porn?

He's probably promiscuous. Simply, he likes looking at other people have sex. He probably wants to have sex with other people. I bet if you asked him if he would llike you to bring a girlfriend home for his birthday, he would cum in his pants. That's the test!!!!! That definately does not mean that he's a cheater. He is simply a promiscuous man. He is not a dog. He is a human male.

My man doesn't initiate sex with me, or would rather masterbate when I am very available.

You're first thought maybe that he is no longer attracted to you. I won't tell you that is not the case, but it is not likely. I would bet he is just tired of having sex with the same person over and over. The idea that he will have to never have sex with anyone new. The joke that married men don't want to have sex with their wives, like Al Bundy. The truth is that he is not tired of you, he is just tired of only you. I would think that this would be extremely comforting many women out there. What do I know?

Beyond this, there are some other things you may want to know about your husband. If he is the rare monogamous man, and you like that, never let him go. You'll probably never meet another one. You can almost also bet that he wants you to be monogamous. Safe bet!

If your man is promiscuous, it doesn't mean that he would want you to be (with a man anyway). Many, many men are so possessive that they would kill someone or you if you were to step out. In fact, any man that is that possessive is probably very promiscuous. Those are the real dogs. Completely incapable of empathy toward women.

Some promiscuous men would allow you to be promiscuous. Some would love for you to have sex with women only or at least. Some men want only you to be promiscuous. These men are called cuckolds. True cucks are monogamous. An increasing number of promiscuous men are becoming cucks however. They are trying desperately to get there wives to be 'hot wives' as an introduction to a promiscuous lifestyle. The golden rule!

I hope that was at least a little clear.

Women, any questions just ask.

Men, try to deny my truth. Sorry for the outs, but the truth will set us all free.

[McFadden]

Good post, you seem really sane.

 

BTW, I didn't realize that something is called an affair if the SO endorses it, I thought it implied cheating. Now I can go around shouting "I'M HAVING AN AFFAIR!!!" I always wanted to say that, it sounds so Soap Opera..

[PollyIvy]

Oh NO! I, I, I think I'm a MAN!! What will I tell my husband?

 

I like your definition of the word 'cheating'. I have never liked this word, as I see extramarital involvements as being an individual sorting themselves out, not something that you DO to your partner. IMO there is nothing wrong per se with natural emotional and physical attachments. It's the damn lying that is so immoral, and which justifies the word 'cheating'.

[annieo]

Alright, shadowofman, admit you read my quote (posted about 2 hours before yours, to "feeling that urge to cheat")

And I quote (myself),

"I would go one step further and suggest that most people (not just most men) are built for promiscuity. If you want to get biological about it, for men it means spreading their seed around and making lots of babies and for women it means diversifying the genetics of their offspring, thus improving their chance of survival.

But genetics aside, I think alot of people are tempted, either by the promise of sexual activity with a new person, or the possibility of getting to know someone else in an intimate, emotional way, even if for only a night or two."

 

Women and men are more alike than men like to think about.

[lonelybird]

Your post is a little bit lengthy, I have short version

 

--follow your flesh desires, spiritual sides don't count

 

 

Apes can meditate as well?

[shadowofman]

Good post, you seem really sane.

Thanks! This comes after months and months of completely insane, very annoying personal struggle. Having an almost overwelming urge to cheat on my wife, whom I love more than life itself, but refusing to on the principle that lying is immoral. My wife who both infuriates and captivates me. I have decided that I'm in a lose-lose situation, and I've come to accept that it was my mistake from the start. Whether it was not fully understanding myself at the time, or whether I was simply afraid to express myself at the onset of out relationship.

Oh NO! I, I, I think I'm a MAN!! What will I tell my husband?

I wish I knew Polly. We hear all the time about women cheating often, almost as often as men. I've always heard from scientific lit that women marry for a nest and cheat for the genes. From my own conversations with women, it seems that women are more likely to cheat emotionaly (for romance). If you think your a man, does that mean you just want the booty? No real motive beyond that? I think that might be uncommon. Cool, but uncommon!

--follow your flesh desires, spiritual sides don't count

Apes can meditate as well?

Did I say that lonelybird? I'm sorry if it came out that way. I'll try to fix your short and sweet statement into something more like what I meant.

How about: Try to be true and follow your desires, be them fleshy or otherwise. But be moral in how you treat others.

I don't know how many times I can say that the real issue is the lie. You yourself have cheated. Whatever challanges to your morality you were facing at the time, do you not agree that it would have been better if you had told your partner before you did anything about it. Complete honest transparency into your thoughts on a major aspect of your relationship. Your partner may have even been ok with the situation minus the lie (or omition).

The other issue is, I think, a common female perspective.

Women think that because their man want to have sex with others, he must not like her anymore.

Wrong, wrong, a hundred times wrong. I would be willing to bet that 99% of the time, he is still extremely attracted to you. I would bet that given the option to have sex with another woman or have another woman join the two of you in bed, he would take the latter every time. He just wants more booty. There is no reason that you would have to accept this. You would have every right to be upset. Life isn't fair is it.

My diagnosis...

Men need to search themselves. Are you really willing to be monogamous? If not, men need to have the balls to stand by their promiscuity. Do not enter into a relationship contract that you can't uphold. Find a girl that will accept you for the way that you are. They are out there.

Women need to do the same. If you are a monogamous woman, intolerant to promiscuity, prepare to never trust men. Find out if the man you are interested in is a promiscuous man before you allow him to make commitments that he will ultimately fail to keep. Like I said, you may not want to know everything if the truth is going to hurt you.

Women and men are more alike than men like to think about.

True and false, like almost all complicated issues. I personally see a war between the sexes. A needless, high casualty war fought with selfish lies. Honesty and the truth are our only hope. We need communication and conviction to be ourselves in the face of the threat of loss of love. We don't want any one sex to dominate the other. I would like to see women free of the lies of men. I would like to see men free of the unrealistic expections of the monogamy agenda without the subordination of women. Ahhhh, utopia is fun!

[annieo]

I feel like I'm perhaps lightening up a little. And god knows, I know it's not an easy balance to strike when you are in a relationship and wanting more. My experience of this was admittedly more a specific attraction to a specific person, not just finding some fresh flesh to rub against. I'm not some goody two shoes, but I've only messed up a few times and not in my current relationship, only when things were on the outs, so I guess I still feel a little shocked to hear that people cheat regularily and when they are in "happy" relationships. What you have said makes me feel very nervous (see thread titled "strips clubs, lies, lap dances" and perhaps you will understand why.)

I'm sorry for the internal battle that you've got to deal with, shadowofman. You sound like an intelligent person who is genuinely trying to work out a rather monumental dillema. I wish you luck.

I'm also sorry for women like myself, who feel like they will never really be able to trust the person they share their life and bed with. Nobody wants to be the idiot who sat at home believing in a lie.

[OpenBook]

Fact: Almost all life on earth is promiscuous. From fungus to mammals. It is behavior with a strong genetic foundation. Not just that, but our closest living relatives are very promiscuous. Genetic evidence has proven that human beings also are very, very promiscuous...

 

Our modern culture of 'monogamy on the surface, promiscuity in the closet' is so pervasive and so new and goes against our nature so strongly that it is the only logical adaptation to imposed monogamous morality. Men are forced to act monogamous, because that seems to be what women want from them. As I've said before, no one will ever know how many men are naturally promiscuous. My guess is at least 75%... He is simply a promiscuous man. He is not a dog. He is a human male...

 

If he is the rare monogamous man, and you like that, never let him go. You'll probably never meet another one...

 

Men need to search themselves. Are you really willing to be monogamous? If not, men need to have the balls to stand by their promiscuity. Do not enter into a relationship contract that you can't uphold. Find a girl that will accept you for the way that you are. They are out there.

 

Women need to do the same. If you are a monogamous woman, intolerant to promiscuity, prepare to never trust men. Find out if the man you are interested in is a promiscuous man before you allow him to make commitments that he will ultimately fail to keep. Like I said, you may not want to know everything if the truth is going to hurt you.

 

Well then, why bother making the effort to find out? The odds are so overwhelming that he is in fact promiscuous, you might as well just go ahead and assume it. Right?

 

In that case, nobody would ever get married! Our kids wouldn't know who their father was. And a thousand other things I'm afraid to even contemplate.

 

I guess I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Are you advocating that women should simply accept that their man is going to be promiscuous, and therefore shouldn't demand fidelity from him?

[IfWishesWereHorses]

Some pacific island cultures are headed by women and their male harems.

 

Could you please state your sources, or ATLEAST name the islands?

[McFadden]

Some pacific island cultures are headed by women and their male harems.

 

Could you please state your sources, or ATLEAST name the islands?

 

 

I want to know too, I'm very interested. I tried Googling it and I found something about South Georgia Island but it was kind of vague.

 

Talk about my ideal situation.

[shadowofman]

Good question, IfWishesWereHorses. I think I read it in the Desmond Morris, Naked Ape Trilogy. Maybe in, The Human Zoo which is Vol. 2. Now that you've asked, I can't seem to find another source online. It may have been just a few small tribes. Those books were written several years ago as well. My point was that they are rare but they can exist.

Well then, why bother making the effort to find out? The odds are so overwhelming that he is in fact promiscuous, you might as well just go ahead and assume it. Right?

You may look at it that way. I think I would want to know. I think most people wouldn't be able to help wanting to know. I'm just suggesting that you should be prepared for what you may find out.

In that case, nobody would ever get married! Our kids wouldn't know who their father was. And a thousand other things I'm afraid to even contemplate.

Maybe your right! If every man was 100% honest about there promiscuity, maybe all the women would hate them and never marry them. Maybe we would create a world of man hating lesbians that would pillage and rape the menfolks villages in order to spawn the next generation. Of course they would have to dispose of the yucky little promiscuous boys. That's a strawman arguement.

I guess I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Are you advocating that women should simply accept that their man is going to be promiscuous, and therefore shouldn't demand fidelity from him?

I can understand. I have a hard time boiling down my thoughts most of the time.

I'm only advocating blunt, unapologetic honesty. If we can all agree that the status-quo of "monogamy on the surface, with rampant closet cheating" isn't the best way to treat each other, than my main goal it to start dialog and hopefully educate.

I'm advocating that women (and men) be prepared to accept the truth. It is up to the individual to decide what to do with the truth from there, for I am not a monogamous woman, and could never understand how it feels to be on. It is perfectly reasonable for a woman (anyone) to demand monogamy. It is perfectly reasonable for a man (or anyone) to deny it. The current phenomena of lying about your sexual orientations is the focus of my rebellion. I want to raise conscienceness about some things that, I

believe most people are confused about.

Almost all men are promiscuous (+- 99%). Under the current environment of psuedo-monogamous culture, most promiscuous men (+-90%) have committed secret acts of, what their SO would concider cheating. They have done this because they are by nature promiscuous and they are not allowed to be.

[Tranzphasic0]

Maybe your right! If every man was 100% honest about there promiscuity, maybe all the women would hate them and never marry them. Maybe we would create a world of man hating lesbians that would pillage and rape the menfolks villages in order to spawn the next generation. Of course they would have to dispose of the yucky little promiscuous boys. That's a strawman arguement.

 

 

did you play zelda? that describes the gerudos, and they were hot!

 

i liked what you said. i think men AND many women are naturally promiscuous. im OVER trying to supress promiscuity. if it works for some people thats fine and good but im over it. i only have this one life..

 

well actually. i beleive in reincarnation is possible..so i only have this one life with this body technically

[shadowofman]

Talk about my ideal situation.

I'd like to try it myself, but I like penis too!

im OVER trying to supress promiscuity. if it works for some people thats fine and good but im over it. i only have this one life..

 

If you can come to that realization before you get involved with someone, that is the ideal. Changing someone rarely works. Be yourself from the start. Fully explain your worldview (if you know it) before you make any commitments. Find a person that will except your sexual orientations and hopefully shares them. If I could go back in time, I would definately tell my wife that "to expect that I will want to have sex with you and only forever is unrealistic. I don't ever want to lie to you, so that means I will be telling you everything. When I'm attracted to someone else. When someone hits on me. Honestly how it made me feel. About how I will be constantly on the lookout for people that share my tastes in sex. How I would like to be able to experience safe and healthy, no strings attached fun with other likeminded attractive people. I think that we would have such a relationship with my wife if I had set perameters from the beginning.

[shadowofman]

Another anecdote to help any of the women out there that think their husbands have cheated because they are not attracted to them anymore.

I'm a boob man like lots of men our there. All of my relationships were with women that had fantastic boobs. For me, it's not the size at all. I like As. I like DDs. I like everything inbetween. However, I am very picky. It has to do with the shape. The size and color of the nipples. My first girlfriend had awesome Bs. My next had superb Ds and I thought I liked those better at the time. Then back down to Cs, just as beautiful. I noticed at this point that I was fantisizing about smaller breasts. I was working in a mall, and I was actually getting physically arosed by the mannequins that I saw, not to mention the women. At this point I realized that it's not one type of breasts, but it's the variety of breasts that excites me. My wife has the most perfect Bs I've ever seen in person. But I now masterbate to bustier girls simply because they are different. It's what I'm not getting that turns me on the most at any given period in my life. I would never want my wife to change her breasts, because I would miss them the way they are. It's a curse, but how in the world am I supposed to stop. I can't choose what turns me on. I at least hope that I can convince one woman that it's not her fault that her man likes a variety of women.

[McFadden]

If you can come to that realization before you get involved with someone, that is the ideal. Changing someone rarely works. Be yourself from the start. Fully explain your worldview (if you know it) before you make any commitments. Find a person that will except your sexual orientations and hopefully shares them. If I could go back in time, I would definately tell my wife that "to expect that I will want to have sex with you and only forever is unrealistic. I don't ever want to lie to you, so that means I will be telling you everything. When I'm attracted to someone else. When someone hits on me. Honestly how it made me feel. About how I will be constantly on the lookout for people that share my tastes in sex. How I would like to be able to experience safe and healthy, no strings attached fun with other likeminded attractive people. I think that we would have such a relationship with my wife if I had set perameters from the beginning.

 

Better late than never for coming to that conclusion.

 

That's the kind of relationship I want to have. Not that I am going to have sex with a lot of people, I just like the option to remain open. Besides I don't want the other person to feel like they are restricted.

 

If I liked someone enough and they were dead set against that lifestyle I might try to change..but I don't know, that wouldn't be ideal. Luckily I get the idea that my bf right now agrees..or just doesn't care either way haha.

[McFadden]

did you play zelda? that describes the gerudos, and they were hot!

 

i liked what you said. i think men AND many women are naturally promiscuous. im OVER trying to supress promiscuity. if it works for some people thats fine and good but im over it. i only have this one life..

 

well actually. i beleive in reincarnation is possible..so i only have this one life with this body technically

 

Oh duh, I didn't even see that you posted. I guess you agree. I can't believe you're already talking about Zelda on here. What's wrong with you?

[sandybelle]

Hey shadowofman...the difference between you and my bf is that he's already acted on it.

I'm a monogamous woman so obviously the current situation doesn't make me very happy, as you can imagine.

I have a couple of questions for you, shadow ... should I become promiscous like my bf or try to find one in a million monogamous man? if both of us are promiscous what's the point of being a couple anymore?

[Anka]

first off, promiscious means sleeping with several partners. NOT being turned on by people other than your SO.

 

Its normal to feel attracted to other people. Woman do that as well. Im a woman, and I watch porn. My BF watches porn. Doesnt mean we want to actually have sex with the poeple we are masterbating to lol.

 

I would not consider my self promiscious becuase i watch porn and sometimes get turned on by a stranger. I would consider my self promiscious if I was out having sex with people just becuase they turned me on. My BF is sitting right here and says the same thing.

 

So, I think this may YOUR truth, and you can have it but I dont agree that this is the truth for anyone with a penis. Men are not as simple as that, no one is.

[shadowofman]

First Anka. Thank you for the statements, but I would like to suggest an aspect, maybe another perspective. I understand the definition of promiscuity involves actually having sex with multiple partners. BUT. I would concider promiscuousness to be a trait of your sexual orientation. If a man thinks about having sex with other men all the time, but has never had sex with a man, his sexual orientation is homosexual (or bi). If a man thinks about a threesome with his wife and another woman all the time, but has never worked that out, he is promiscuous by nature. It's his sexual orientation. I'd like to hear some thoughts on that from many of you.

I'm a monogamous woman so obviously the current situation doesn't make me very happy, as you can imagine.

I have a couple of questions for you, shadow ... should I become promiscous like my bf or try to find one in a million monogamous man? if both of us are promiscous what's the point of being a couple anymore?

Now sandybelle. It's all a matter of what your willing to do. I can't tell you what to do. I don't know your head. You could demand monogamy. You could have faith. Which means to me that you trust his fidelity and never snoop. You could constantly worry about where and what he's doing. Bluff and bait for truth. You could meet him halfway. You could learn to give up just enough monogamy that it won't drive you crazy. Starting with allowing and sharing in porn, all the way up to interviewing an anonymous (but safe) sexpot for anniverseries for one or the both of you. There is a million things inbetween too. Whatever you can handle once you actually understand the orientation of your man.

I would be happy with a boyfriend for both my wife and me. Ideally, I would like to begin a neverending search for a couple that is as close to exact clones of my wife and myself (we are both very concided). They would be highly committed to each other and precautions would be taken to prevent our individual relationships from melting down. Easy as hell for me. Maybe not so much for emotional women like my wife. Maybe party just once a month. Take romantic vacations as a group. Cabins in the woods. Beach trips. Concerts. Maybe they live an entire state away.

[shadowofman]

Just to discuss somemore aspects of this discussion and to keep this thread dynamic...

I've heard some talk about how your fantasies are just fantasies and they should be kept just fantasies. I don't see how it can possibly be that simple. Fantasies are fantasies because you want them to be true. All of us recognize when fantasies are possible and I think most people would unconsciencely attempt to manifest them. My hippy-dippy friends call this magic...sex magic. I don't believe in magic, but I don't doubt that you will inevitably take the path that your subconscience wants to to follow.

In my fantasies......

I want to have sex with the porn star Belladonna.

I want to have sex with an elven maiden.

I want to have sex with my wifes hot young co-worker.

I want to rape Ann Coulter, but when I strip her, she has a penis and she rapes me and I love it (that's a new one).

All of these are fantasies and some are more possible than others. Some are also more probable than others.

It is not possible for me to make any attempt to sleep with an elf, but I will inevitably manipulate, and to a certain extent subconsciencely manipulate the situation in order to make the possible and the most probable fantasies a reality. Maybe to some people that means getting their wife drunk at a party. Pressuring their SO, rather than asking (which I have done plenty of, and one of the only things I regret....don't worry nothing really happened...just pressure). I think that truely monogamous people still fantasize about other people, but ultimately, their greatest fantasy is monogamy, so that is what drives their realities. Their happiness-libidos.

 

Another gripe is with the "Have your cake an eat it too" crowd.

I reject this analogy as being jibberish in the context of promiscuity.

If the cake is your spouse than you already have your cake and hopefully you eat it too. The phrase defines an impossibility, altogether different from the highly possible sexually open relationship.

And what about the one that is popular with the old ladies.

"Why buy the cow, when you get the milk for free?"

I reject this statement on the grounds that a person should never be bought like a cow. I personally think it is immoral to consider anyone your property that you possess.

[RecordProducer]

This is if sex is the only connection between a male and a female (I can't even say the words "man" and "woman," because unconditional promiscuity explicitly identifies these creatures with primitive animals in my mind).

 

Shadow, you refer to most men as brainless sex robots, basing your theory on a tiny minority. These men don't necessarily need to be married. I can smell them from a mile away.

 

Not all men cheat and not all cheaters cheat because they want sex with new women. Many of them are very unhappy in their marriages or lack compatibility with their wives on a fundamental level. So they seek romance elsewhere. Many are "faithful" to their mistresses and date them for years. I am certainly not glorifying the cheaters, but a theory that describes most men as walking, erected dicks looking for a hole to slide in - disgusts me.

 

You didn't clarify anything for anyone, except that you pointed out at the sleaziest group of men. They're sleazy, not because they're promiscuous, but because they lack the ability to get emotionally involved, to connect intellectually with someone, and to seek deeper meaning in love and life - deeper than instant sexual pleasure.

[shadowofman]

On the contrary. I do happen to believe all life is primative, including humans. Your all a bunch of monkeys and the fact that you deny it further evidences the fact that your all a bunch of monkeys. We do have complex emotions however. I'm describing men as being very complex (holy crap, I'm so complex I want to die). Not all men cheat for the same reasons and I never suggested that they did. I'm only trying to point out some very important phenomena.

Not all men cheat and not all cheaters cheat because they want sex with new women. /quote]

Never said all men cheat. Kinsey recorded 60% way back when. I would bet my life that the number is a lot higher. Maybe (I'm making a guess) half of those that do cheat are not emotionally fullfilled by their wives. I've never met one, and I've met more than I could possibly count.

You didn't clarify anything for anyone, except that you pointed out at the sleaziest group of men. They're sleazy, not because they're promiscuous, but because they lack the ability to get emotionally involved, to connect intellectually with someone, and to seek deeper meaning in love and life - deeper than instant sexual pleasure.

I haven't reported on one particular demographic. I'm talking about lots of different types of men and women like McFadden and Vixin. I actually think I've neglected the sleaziest set of men.

Inability to emotionally attach has never come up. Violently possessive men that have no intention to respect the wishes of their SO, while lying that they will (monogamy on the surface, cheater in the closet), or better yet will force their SO to do sexual acts with other women for there own enjoyment. I've warned about them. I don't know any that I know of.

Look, everyone wants instant sexual gradification and meaningful, deep relationships. Thats a fact, even if you want instant sexual grat from just one person in the world. I love my wife and we have the deepest damn relationship on the planet. We just have different sexual wants. I would love for us to compromise and meet somewhere in the middle. I personally think all men should be more monogamous, and all women should be more promiscuous. It's not for eveyone I know.

[Tranzphasic0]

In my fantasies......

I want to have sex with the porn star Belladonna.

I want to have sex with an elven maiden.

I want to have sex with my wifes hot young co-worker.

I want to rape Ann Coulter, but when I strip her, she has a penis and she rapes me and I love it (that's a new one).

 

 

im readin this and i'm like...yep..yep..sounds good, yep...*gets to the last one* yep--wait no- what the hell?

 

agreed on the other ones though.

 

either way i think its chill that you admit that you want to swing and stuff, i do and im open about it too but not a lot of people are open about it even though i think almost ALL men (and a lot of women) want to secretly. im just saying.. i think its better than when people try to lie and say they are NEVER attracted to anyone else yea right.

[shadowofman]

Haha. Cool man. Yeah I hate Ann Coulter hence the rape fantasy. The other day I was looking at her honkin' Adam's Apple and I started thinking about how big her schlong must be. Weird, I know!

[Tranzphasic0]

yea i dont really like ann coulture.. i dont think i agree with her about anything (i dont know everything about it cuz i was not from us) but i get annoyed vibe from her and she does look kind of mannish..not that theres anything wrong with that just as long as shes away from me!

 

anyway when i said my other post it did not mean i agree that everyone should not be monogomous! not at all. just the people who dont feel they can and their partner agrees..but some people can only have sex with one partner

 

the thing is i think its safe to say everyone or 99.99% percent of men and women who are sexual fantasized about other people sometimes..its natural..if they dont i think its because they supress it too much