oppath Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 Tanny, word! Girls don't call back right away. I've had no return to my call after a date, so I move on, then two weeks later I hear they are pissed I only called once! Sorry babe, I took you out, I paid, I called again, you should be calling me back to say "thanks for the date." What the women here demonstrate, however, is that if they ARE interested, they'd like the guy to call fairly soon, and they are willing to call back right away.
Star Gazer Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 And if these women are so insistent upon immediate contact then they should also return said call(s), otherwise they're hypocrites. Dude, what's with this and other name calling within this thread? Your statement presupposes that immediate contact was made to begin with. Weren't you the one who said you follow the other person's pace - if they take X time to make contact, you take X time to respond? Well then, because you seem to be the type who doesn't call immediately, it's not fair for you to call a woman who waits equally long to return your call a hypocrite. (Don't get mad because I'm right, Tan. ) Not all guys wait because they're manipulative a**holes. Some have very good reasons. Some of you women need to lighten up a bit. I haven't read anywhere that waiting to call makes a guy an a-hole. And wanting a call from a guy she's very interested in doesn't make a woman uptight, demanding, high strung, b*tchy, or any other negative character trait you want to fling. What about this equality you're so big about? If you want to talk to the guy, there's always *gasp* the option of calling him. Who spoke of equality in courting rituals? Not me. But you did, so if you wait to call, expect a wait for a return call. Hey, it's only fair, right? EQUALITY. What's funny is that in most instances, despite how much I'd rather he make the first move, I am actually the first person to text and/or call once numbers are exchanged. So is it really that much to ask for him to call me first after a date? How is that unreasonable?
tanbark813 Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 Dude, what's with this and other name calling within this thread? Your statement presupposes that immediate contact was made to begin with. Weren't you the one who said you follow the other person's pace - if they take X time to make contact, you take X time to respond? Well then, because you seem to be the type who doesn't call immediately, it's not fair for you to call a woman who waits equally long to return your call a hypocrite. (Don't get mad because I'm right, Tan. ) I haven't read anywhere that waiting to call makes a guy an a-hole. And wanting a call from a guy she's very interested in doesn't make a woman uptight, demanding, high strung, b*tchy, or any other negative character trait you want to fling. Who spoke of equality in courting rituals? Not me. But you did, so if you wait to call, expect a wait for a return call. Hey, it's only fair, right? EQUALITY. What's funny is that in most instances, despite how much I'd rather he make the first move, I am actually the first person to text and/or call once numbers are exchanged. So is it really that much to ask for him to call me first after a date? How is that unreasonable? *sigh* I've said some of this before and I'd rather not hash it out here but whatever. I said I don't care how long a girl takes to call. I don't care that you didn't return my two calls. What I do care about is that you made this big stink that I didn't call within two days. Sooooo, on the third day I called since you were upset. Twice even. You didn't call back. That's hypocritical. If you were perfectly fine with me not calling right away, then it would be different, and not hypocritical and it would be not big deal. If you're going to be that insistent upon the guy calling right away then at least extend the same courtesy and respond right away. Orrrr, if you're going to take your time responding, then you should be cool with him taking his time. But to apply different rules to yourself than you hold others to is hypocritical. One shouldn't expect more from others than they are willing to give themself. And any woman who wants a guy to call right away should be willing to call him right away as well, otherwise he's no more guilty of game-playing than she is.
GregsBad Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 I do too, particularly if he knows I'm smitten. Then I'm like "WTF?" OK Star Gazer ... This is exactly what I'm getting at. See, now lets suppose you're a "ten" OK. We meet, I'm smitten with you (you know it too). I get your number but don't call right away (like any other guy would). Then you get a little pissed at me for not calling and say "WTF?" That arrogant a**hole ... and all sorts of other things about me. That is exactly what I would hope for! I'm serious. Then several days later, when I finally call, and can detect that you're pissed ... but you're not bored with me like you would be with the other hundred guys who dutifully fill your in box with annoying voice mails. You really DO get this ... don't you?
Star Gazer Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 You really DO get this ... don't you? I understand what you're saying, I'm just saying that you're wrong. MOST GUYS follow some lame 3/4/5 day rule. Most. Seriously. It drives us women CRAZY. It is SUCH a wonderful, refreshing change when a guy says to himself, "I am going to be different. I am not going to let my fear of rejection get in the way. I am not going to play it cool, because I cannot control myself when it comes to this woman. I can't stop thinking about her, and I want her to know it," and then he picks up the phone and calls her. Her response is almost always, "Ah, this guy is different," and she considers him special because he didn't want to be like any other Joe Schmoe following the advice on askmen.com. And truly most women I know that are in the middle of their Happily Ever After are with a man that called sooner than later, and who didn't purposefully wait with some scheme involved.
Pyro Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 Is there such a thing as a man who hasn't been hurt by a woman? Or a woman who hasn't been hurt by a man? I mean other than gay. Are you seriously suggesting that YOU have never been hurt by a female? Or are you thinking you're a Sherlock for detecting another man who has been hurt by a woman. Oh I have been hurt before by a woman. I was cheated on, but I don't think that women are evil, like the person who I was quoting seems to think. I understand that everyone is different but just because one woman hurt me, I don't believe that most ar all of them are evil just because of one evil woman.
allina Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 It's OK ... no need to get defensive about your looks. But what you wrote did sound a little like it was coming from a girl who isn't getting hit on enough to find it annoying. There ARE women who are annoyed by constant hitting. I even find it a little annoying. I can't even go to the market without some chick asking me to help her reach the beans. She needs to do a little better than that. Ok, so you're trying to get a rise out of me, sorry not going to happen. Look what you said above. You're talking about getting hit on, getting hit on has NOTHING to do with what I said about calling.
Krytellan Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 OK, enough of the personal love spat. The point is be yourself. If you are a person who wants to call the day after the exchange of numbers, then you are likely also the kind of person that would like a woman who likes that you call the next day. Well, that would suggest that you call the next day. If the girl gets all freaky b/c you broke some stupid and contrived rule... BAM, move on. If she is happy you called, love ensues. If you want to "wait to play it cool" (whatever, I suppose it makes sense to some), then you likely want a woman who also "plays it cool" (because otherwise, you'd be a hypocrite... and I know we dont have any of those here on LS). So, if you wait 3-4-5 days and she digs you, well, you're off to the races. If you do this and she's all sassy that you didn't call... BAM, move on. She's not your type and maybe too "needy" for someone of your cool lifestyle. You will never misrepresent yourself or compromise yourself when you simply be yourself. I have spoken... it is so.
GregsBad Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 "I am going to be different. I am not going to let my fear of rejection get in the way. I am not going to play it cool, because I cannot control myself when it comes to this woman. I can't stop thinking about her, and I want her to know it," Ummm ... yep that's exactly (word for word) what goes through my mind when I pick up the phone And truly most women I know that are in the middle of their Happily Ever After are with a man that called sooner than later, and who didn't purposefully wait with some scheme involved. So how many of these "Happily Even After" girls do you know? Statistically speaking, more than 50% of marriages end in divorce. On top of that - many unhappy marriages don't divorce. My point is there are relatively few success stories for you and me to learn from. But yet you are priveledged to draw experiences from a pool of success stories ??? Hmmm ... I think you're telling me how you WISH things are ... not how they really are. MOST GUYS follow some lame 3/4/5 day rule. Most. Seriously. It drives us women CRAZY. OH stop! We're not that organized and most guys don't avoid calling "for some rule". They just don't call - for some other dumb reasons. It drives us women CRAZY. Yeah! ... I love that part
GregsBad Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 Look what you said above. You're talking about getting hit on, getting hit on has NOTHING to do with what I said about calling. OK - just so you know ... When a guy asks for your number ... he's hittin' on ya! Then when he calls, he's hittin on ya' some more. Ok, so you're trying to get a rise out of me, sorry not going to happen. OK - if you say so - but chill a little.
GregsBad Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 You will never misrepresent yourself or compromise yourself when you simply be yourself. I have spoken... it is so. OK but lemme speak a little more ... Being totally honest here. Joking aside. I'm not young. I've been a romantic all my life - I was taught by my world to do all the sweet courtship things and I did them. But my success with women was only just so-so until a few years ago. After I learned to hold back from doing all those nice things, started acting a little cocky and arrogant - now I'm enjoying things that I wish I could have enjoyed long ago. I'm completely serious. It's NOT because I hate women. I LOVE women. I pretent to be a little bit of an a**hole because it gets me what I want. I admit I'm not being MYSELF ... or maybe I've changed myself and really AM a little bit of an a**hole. Yeah that's what I've done OK My point is - I figured out what works. To every girl who says "well it won't work with me" I'd say maybe she's an exception to the general rule ... but I'm going to go by the general rule. I'm learning, and putting into practice what things really work with girls. Now ... back to not being serious ... If you're a girl - telling me how to get dates with girls - unless you're a lesbian who knows how ... then you don't really know from experience. You only know what you and your girl friends WISH that guys would do.
Star Gazer Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 Now ... back to not being serious ... If you're a girl - telling me how to get dates with girls - unless you're a lesbian who knows how ... then you don't really know from experience. You only know what you and your girl friends WISH that guys would do. Do you use the same line of thought in how to please a woman in bed too? Do you follow your male friends' instructions, or do you listen to women (who actually know what feels good TO THEM)?
GregsBad Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 Oh I have been hurt before by a woman. I was cheated on, but I don't think that women are evil, like the person who I was quoting seems to think. I understand that everyone is different but just because one woman hurt me, I don't believe that most ar all of them are evil just because of one evil woman. You were quoting me! Where did you ever get the idea that I think women are evil? I love women - you jumped to a major wrong conclusion. My mom is a woman My sweet gramma is one too All the girls I've dated are women and I REALLY like them - well most. One day I hope to marry one of them. I like 'em all OK? Well some of them get a little bitchy but I love 'em.
GregsBad Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 Do you use the same line of thought in how to please a woman in bed too? Do you follow your male friends' instructions, or do you listen to women (who actually know what feels good TO THEM)? I'm so glad you asked. In bed, I want to know everything I possibly can on how to please her. Because THAT is the best thing in life - to me. There is nothing better. OK - a little more too ... I cook for girls (I'm good at it) Candles, music, dancing, concerts all that stuff ... I definitely break the rules and spend money. I'm just saying that I've learned to be a little arrogant - but just to get to first base ... after that I feel safe in pooring it on.
Pyro Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 You were quoting me! Where did you ever get the idea that I think women are evil? I love women - you jumped to a major wrong conclusion. My mom is a woman My sweet gramma is one too All the girls I've dated are women and I REALLY like them - well most. One day I hope to marry one of them. I like 'em all OK? Well some of them get a little bitchy but I love 'em. I don't know. That post of yours sounded a little bitter towards women, but just my opinion.
alphamale Posted June 22, 2007 Posted June 22, 2007 So the guys that purposely don't call for 3+ days what do you think the woman thinks about you? Do you think women think "that guy is so cool, he's so desired and busy that he couldn't call me for the past 3+ days" Because what I would feel about a man like this is "wow this guy lacks the self confidence to just call me, he feels like he needs to follow some BS frat boy rule, what a tool" thats what you think you would think but in reality you would be thinking: "man he must be in high demand with other chick-a-dees....he must have money or a 10" cock or heavens forbid, both...I can't wait to show him off to my girlfriends. God he's so independent with his own life and doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'll smother me like all those other losers"
Trialbyfire Posted June 22, 2007 Posted June 22, 2007 Something is very strange about this thread. LS women are giving the men advice about what they want and some of the men are saying they know better than a woman what she wants. Hello...earth to men. Either you guys are dating a completely other type of woman, or you're not scoring at all or as much as you could.
alphamale Posted June 22, 2007 Posted June 22, 2007 Something is very strange about this thread. LS women are giving the men advice about what they want and some of the men are saying they know better than a woman what she wants. women don't know what they want TBF. all the women advice is geared towards a man NOT getting laid. all the mens advice is geared towards a man getting laid. a hunter does not ask the prey how it should be caught...
Trialbyfire Posted June 22, 2007 Posted June 22, 2007 women don't know what they want TBF. all the women advice is geared towards a man NOT getting laid. all the mens advice is geared towards a man getting laid. a hunter does not ask the prey how it should be caught... A smart hunter analyzes it's prey. If a hunter has no idea how prey react and their habitual actions, the hunter can sit for years, never bagging any prey.
alphamale Posted June 22, 2007 Posted June 22, 2007 A smart hunter analyzes it's prey. If a hunter has no idea how prey react and their habitual actions, the hunter can sit for years, never bagging any prey. thats why the smart hunter keeps lots of vaseline and porno mags on hand...just in case
GregsBad Posted June 22, 2007 Posted June 22, 2007 Something is very strange about this thread. LS women are giving the men advice about what they want and some of the men are saying they know better than a woman what she wants. Hello...earth to men. Either you guys are dating a completely other type of woman, or you're not scoring at all or as much as you could. Actually the thread is NOT about what women say they want. It's about what works. What really attracts them. Giving women what they say they want just doesn't always work. How much experience do you have at dating women anyway Do you believe that all you have to do is find out what MEN say they want? Will that make a man love you? .
Trialbyfire Posted June 22, 2007 Posted June 22, 2007 thats why the smart hunter keeps lots of vaseline and porno mags on hand...just in case I hear walmart has a sale on the 6 gallon size of vaseline. Actually the thread is NOT about what women say they want. It's about what works. What really attracts them. Giving women what they say they want just doesn't always work. How much experience do you have at dating women anyway Do you believe that all you have to do is find out what MEN say they want? Will that make a man love you? . The funny thing is that I do listen to what men want, or at least the men that I'm interested in. I'm not arrogant enough to assume I know them better than they know themselves.
GregsBad Posted June 22, 2007 Posted June 22, 2007 The funny thing is that I do listen to what men want, or at least the men that I'm interested in. I'm not arrogant enough to assume I know them better than they know themselves. - so then what DO men want? - and do you really give it to them?
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