lonelybird Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 What is worth for falling in love with a MM/MW?:confused: When they are 1. Irresponsible 2. cheating, dishonest 3. only care about themselves, and sex organs 4. spiritual almost dead 5. non integrity 6. use others for sex, but make you feel you are more special than his wife, because "you make him grow":eek: (grow in lust) 7. lying, and CAN genuinly face themselves when they were lying 8. only believe in "chemistry", never think about "spiritual" 9. only think about "own happiness" You can justify their behaviour if you want, this is how I see them, very little.
whichwayisup Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 what is good about MM/MW? What is worth for falling in love with a MM/MW? When they are ....Married???? Yes the MM/MW are liars and cheaters, but if an OW/OM enter into an affair with a married person, they're just as responsible for what happens as the married person. It takes two to make an affair happen.
Author lonelybird Posted June 3, 2007 Author Posted June 3, 2007 ....Married???? Yes the MM/MW are liars and cheaters, but if an OW/OM enter into an affair with a married person, they're just as responsible for what happens as the married person. It takes two to make an affair happen. Yes, but now I am trying to look at things through OW/OM's eyes. Truth can set people free
Lizzie60 Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 What is worth for falling in love with a MM/MW?:confused: When they are 1. Irresponsible 2. cheating, dishonest 3. only care about themselves, and sex organs 4. spiritual almost dead 5. non integrity 6. use others for sex, but make you feel you are more special than his wife, because "you make him grow":eek: (grow in lust) 7. lying, and CAN genuinly face themselves when they were lying 8. only believe in "chemistry", never think about "spiritual" 9. only think about "own happiness" You can justify their behaviour if you want, this is how I see them, very little. First, I don't fall in love with them... because I know what most of them want.... sex... I agree with you that they are dishonest and selfish... but I disagree with #6. I find it silly that people always see the man as using the woman when in fact I am using them a lot more than they are using me.... LOL But even if you and all the BS out there only see the bad side of the MM, there is always 'two sides'... why are they going elsewhere? This is how I see mine: Normal, respectful human beings Good fathers Caring about their family Don't only think about themselves... they will do everything to please me.
Author lonelybird Posted June 3, 2007 Author Posted June 3, 2007 First, I don't fall in love with them... because I know what most of them want.... sex... I agree with you that they are dishonest and selfish... but I disagree with #6. I find it silly that people always see the man as using the woman when in fact I am using them a lot more than they are using me.... LOL But even if you and all the BS out there only see the bad side of the MM, there is always 'two sides'... why are they going elsewhere? This is how I see mine: Normal, respectful human beings Good fathers Caring about their family Don't only think about themselves... they will do everything to please me. How can a good father who cares about his family do such a destructive thing to his family?
Art_Critic Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 I find it silly that people always see the man as using the woman when in fact I am using them a lot more than they are using me.... LOL Correct me if I'm wrong but you don't have a OW-MM relationship with your men. You have more of a client-supplier or purchaser-supplier relationship. In a typical OW-MM relationship feelings/love and attachment occur and well as talk about the future together. In yours the only thing that occurs is an act of lust and exchange of money. Two different types of relationships in my book.
whichwayisup Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Normal, respectful human beings Good fathers Caring about their family What you said above, COMPLETELY makes NO sense to what you said below! Don't only think about themselves... they will do everything to please me. Divided attention, pleasing you, making YOU feel good, yet he is an honest, respectful, caring family man? WTF.
Lizzie60 Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 How can a good father who cares about his family do such a destructive thing to his family? Because their family have no clue..so I don't see how they can be destructive... The MMs I am seeing are amazing fathers... I know them well enough to know that they do love their wife, and their children... they would never ever to anything to hurt them on purpose. They are extremely discreet and careful. I know for BS it doesn't make sense but I know they are good husbands and fathers. I'm sure that a lot of women out there...who are very much in love with their husbands, who have a wonderful life with him and their children...who are happy as a family... etc... have absolutely no clue that their husbands are cheating..in fact they would swear that they're not...
Lizzie60 Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Correct me if I'm wrong but you don't have a OW-MM relationship with your men. You have more of a client-supplier or purchaser-supplier relationship. In a typical OW-MM relationship feelings/love and attachment occur and well as talk about the future together. In yours the only thing that occurs is an act of lust and exchange of money. Two different types of relationships in my book. How can you say that we don't have a mutual attachment for each other...of course we do... Correct me if I'm wrong but not all OW and OM are talking about futures together...they can be in an affair for many reasons, getting out of their marriage not being one of them. How can you say that in my case it's only an act of lust and exchange of money? Sorry but don't make this kind of assumption when you know f* all about other people lives!!!! thank you very much
Lizzie60 Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 What you said above, COMPLETELY makes NO sense to what you said below! Divided attention, pleasing you, making YOU feel good, yet he is an honest, respectful, caring family man? WTF. ... you just choose not to see it. But hey..it's your right... to each our own... I know them, I know they are good people... so who cares what other people think of them... right?
whichwayisup Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Because their family have no clue..so I don't see how they can be destructive So, he is being an untrusting slimbag behind his wife and family's back. He 'pretends' to be an honest husband, never breaking his vows/promises to his wife, yet he sneaks off to have sex with someone else aka you. Lizzie, the way you justify it is just so wrong. I don't know why your morals are so low and you have such little respect for another woman's marriage by bedding her husband. WTF. And yes, I know you have no problem with this lifestyle of yours, no guilt just pure pleasure and F.uck everybody who could get hurt, but don't try to spread it around like it's OK, because it's not OK. They would never hurt them on purpose...But, the MM is CHOOSING to cheat on his wife, that is BETRAYAL Lizzie! I'm sure that a lot of women out there...who are very much in love with their husbands, who have a wonderful life with him and their children...who are happy as a family... etc... have absolutely no clue that their husbands are cheating..in fact they would swear that they're not... BETRAYAL is what that's called. Lying, cheating, going behind their backs. That makes them dishonest and NOT a good husband!!
whichwayisup Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 ... you just choose not to see it. But hey..it's your right... to each our own... I know them, I know they are good people... so who cares what other people think of them... right? Sure, they may be good to you, but they're NOT being good to their wives. I don't know why you choose not to see that. Betrayal is betrayal. No matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd, so you can colour coat this 100 different ways, the betrayal is still there.
Art_Critic Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 How can you say that in my case it's only an act of lust and exchange of money? Because in an OW-MM relationship money for sexual services is never exchanged. The fact that money is exchanged for sexual services alters the dynamic and taints the relationship to the point it becomes just an act of lust and exchange of money. By the way.. I also have an attachment to my landscaper.. but the attachment is only there because money exchanges hands for services.. without the money there is no attachment or relationship
whichwayisup Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 How can you say that in my case it's only an act of lust and exchange of money? Because you did a post about it. Taking money, gifts, trips with and from MM. Noone would even consider talking about such things here on LS, but YOU posted about it Lizzie. That is why A_C said what he said in his post. Correct me if I'm wrong but not all OW and OM are talking about futures together...they can be in an affair for many reasons, getting out of their marriage not being one of them. Most OW/OM start off that way but just about ALL of them end up falling inlove with their MM/MW and want more. They WANT them to leave their husband/wives. Have you not read 99.9% of the threads in this section???
Author lonelybird Posted June 3, 2007 Author Posted June 3, 2007 ... you just choose not to see it. But hey..it's your right... to each our own... I know them, I know they are good people... so who cares what other people think of them... right? Lizzie60 You have a compassionate heart, I don't believe you genuinly respect those men who cheat. You basically don't respect men in general and don't believe there is a man who can not cheat, am I right?
whichwayisup Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 She doesn't believe in committment and marriage. I agree with you LB, and actually, even though I know Lizzie will disagree with me here, I don't think she has respect for herself. Being a sexual person, a sexual woman is a good thing! But, purposely seeking out MM, or men in relationships for casual sex is just wrong. You want casual sex? There are TONS of single guys willing to have casual fun, no strings attached.
Lizzie60 Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Because in an OW-MM relationship money for sexual services is never exchanged. The fact that money is exchanged for sexual services alters the dynamic and taints the relationship to the point it becomes just an act of lust and exchange of money. By the way.. I also have an attachment to my landscaper.. but the attachment is only there because money exchanges hands for services.. without the money there is no attachment or relationship I've read some posts about OW where the MM was paying for bills, groceries, etc... and they were having an affair...it wasn't just about lust and sexual services.
whichwayisup Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Yes, but those OW are INLOVE with their MM and having relationships with them. Those are not just casual and fun sex for the heck of it.
Lizzie60 Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 She doesn't believe in committment and marriage. I agree with you LB, and actually, even though I know Lizzie will disagree with me here, I don't think she has respect for herself. Being a sexual person, a sexual woman is a good thing! But, purposely seeking out MM, or men in relationships for casual sex is just wrong. You want casual sex? There are TONS of single guys willing to have casual fun, no strings attached. I have explained in a previous post that I don't specifically seek MM. I have many single friends as well. It's all about chemistry. I am very selective, extremely picky and that's my right... Yes I do want casual sex, no commitment, what's the big deal. Anyway...it's getting late, I'm tired...I feel like this is turning to a debate about my lifestyle and I don't feel like talking about it. We will never agree so might as well just leave it and agree to disagree.
whichwayisup Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 I have explained in a previous post that I don't specifically seek MM. I have many single friends as well. It's all about chemistry. I am very selective, extremely picky and that's my right... Yes I do want casual sex, no commitment, what's the big deal. I commend you and your sexuality, that's a good thing! Be proud of it, that's fine too. The problem I have with it is you DO seek out MM for nothing but sex. Morally, that's just wrong and disrespectful, that's all. Anyway...it's getting late, I'm tired...I feel like this is turning to a debate about my lifestyle and I don't feel like talking about it. Sorry that it's turned out this way, but when you advertise your lifestyle so much on LS, it's abit hard at times not comment on it, especially when you give certain types of advice at times. We will never agree so might as well just leave it and agree to disagree. You're right 100% on that one.
Lizzie60 Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 before I close... Sorry that it's turned out this way, but when you advertise your lifestyle so much on LS, it's abit hard at times not comment on it, especially when you give certain types of advice at times. Ha-hem ...what makes you think that your advices are better than mine... to have just one partner in a committed relationship makes you a better person to give proper advices?... I don't think so! Good nite!
whichwayisup Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 I mean when you encourage some to go for it, go for the MM etc... You've taken what I said out of context. Alot of advice you give in other sections is great! You are compassionate and caring to alot of posters here on LS. And I never said my advice was better than yours...Please don't put words in my mouth. Goodnight.
messit Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Correct me if I'm wrong but not all OW and OM are talking about futures together... Firstly, thank you L60 for expressing alternate points of view. Sometimes the pile-on factor here gets overwhelming when people have their universal truths challenged. In reply to the quoted point, I am an OM who does not discuss a future together with my MW. She has no intention of leaving her SO and I will be moving away in a year.
2sunny Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 How can you say that we don't have a mutual attachment for each other...of course we do... Correct me if I'm wrong but not all OW and OM are talking about futures together...they can be in an affair for many reasons, getting out of their marriage not being one of them. How can you say that in my case it's only an act of lust and exchange of money? Sorry but don't make this kind of assumption when you know f* all about other people lives!!!! thank you very much LIZZIE - Do these MM you see - pay you money when they are there?
pricillia Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Both men and women cheat, so let's not say that this is just about men. Also to Op's question, People get into relationships for all different reasons and at the time think that they may be doing the right thing, sometimes it turns out for the better and sometimes it doesn't. With that only time will tell. For me love goes so deep and it is there forever, and in my situation with my MM there are so many things I like about him and so many things I just hate about the situation. I will say this though, you don't have to be married to cheat, people cheat who are supposed to be exclusive as well, so you should be asking the question to everyone who is dating and in a serious relationship.
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