Trialbyfire Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Why thank you! How on earth you could think that merely from an internet forum is beyond me, but I am... Took me 28 years to be comfortable in this body of mine, and I am happy! Wonderboy loves me just the way I am. No bitterness here!!! I don't know how I know but I imagined it so. It's probably your confidence and attitude. No chip on your shoulders.
pyroguy Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Not true. Let me explain how it works. I too, have always had that height requirement that you speak of. But I can't tell you how many times I had serious relationships with guys who didn't even come close to meeting that requirement. That's how much they charmed me. Women are much more apt to give a guy, who is outside of her preferred type, a chance than guys are. A guy wouldn't even give you the time of day if you're not his type physically. Completely false and typically hypocritical. I'll tell you my version. I haven't posted here in a long time, but from my experience, observation, and research ( I wanted to write a book), this is the story. Women are just as much if not more superficial than men. Yes, we ALL have types, and women are no different. The picture you paint of the so mature evolved woman being charmed by the not so physically gifted male is a nightmare in disguise. First, one only has to judge by the behavior of women today. Awhile back in another thread, I posted a clip of women's behavior at a male strip show. Nobody really commented because they wanted to avoid it-men and women, for different reasons. I have more of these hideous clips to share-maybe I will-and it's not isolated- and it's not women just acting crazy because they are together. These are horny wild women who don't care what the guy has for a brain. I've never seen women more in lust, and certainly not over the math genius. See, the problem with women is they think that they are doing the right thing by going with the guy they really are not attracted to. They find all kinds of noble reasons that they claim men never find in women. The problem is they then spend a lifetime fantasizing about every other hot guy. Why would almost 30-40% of married women be cheating? %75 of divorces being initiated by women (asides from the male jokes you will no doubt counter with). And, please, don't answer with the emotional needs not being met. I suggest you all check out Womensinfidelity.com, and read the associated book. Women are just as horny and interested in the physical as men are-period. Maybe it's all our faults for making them feel ashamed of their sexuality. So, now they can't face it. Also, isn't it true that women aren't so much into the guys intelligence, but what they categorize as being in the same group as MONEY and POWER. That is, they will go with the guy with the money even if he isn't intelligent (because one is not neccessarily synonomous with the other). If Daddy hands a guy a business, that's fine, even if he's a dolt. In my opinion, many women would go with a mob hit man if he had money in his pocket-regardless of intelligence. Not to be harsh, but it's reality. Back to shear looks, why do men have to endure all the comments from their women regarding this actor or singer, the guy down the street etc., and if he balks at that, he is insecure- a term loved by women. However, women must be made to feel sexy and wanted and the media is is projecting a terrible body image for women, really? but not for men? and are women lusting after all these other guys doing it so much more because they are with the guy for all the "right reasons" as they will say. Except, they fail to realize that many guys want to be desired also. I'm not sure why women think men should be estatic to except their crumbs of desire ie., relationship with the one guy because he possesses all the things she thinks she needs, but always is hot for someone else. Sorry to hijack the topic, but I had to respond.Getting back to the topic, curves are definitely the way to go- for me. I personally hate runway models looks. By the way, let me just say that I'm not a fat, bitter, lonely guy. I'm married, fit, and generally happy. I just see things for what they are. I'm not a woman basher, but I willl and should be able to disagree with or divulge things I dislike about women or some women. People are way too politically correct ass kissers these days. comments?
Janinez Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Boy, you must have really met some awful women in your time to write what you did. Sorry, but not all women are golddiggers. And sorry, but I for one have fallen for a man or two who really wasn't my type physically at first. But after I got to know them, I actually found them to be physically very attractive and sexy. It's sad that you don't or won't believe that this is the reality for some women. This has nothing to do with "doing the right thing" as you stated. It's just a reality for some of us whether you refuse to acknowledge it or not. And by the way, you really don't see things for "what they really are." It's only your own truth (i.e. opinion) that you've stated here. It's not fact. Let's not confuse the two, ok?
Touche Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Well, it's obvious that you don't know me because I'm the least PC person you'll ever meet. Everything you have stated above is YOUR opinion. You can't speak for me and tell me that I have fallen for a guy because of some PC notion. It's ridiculous. I have fallen for more than one guy who wasn't at ALL my physical type but as I got to know them I found them more and more physically attractive and sexy. You have a very, very sad view of women. Not to mention and inaccurate one. I pity your wife...this attitude of yours, I GUARANTEE spills over into your marriage. There's so much to rip apart in your post that I wouldn't even begin to know where to start. That ridiculous comment about intelligence for example..and that women only want money and power. HA HA...I've dated dumb men with money. Well, actually "dated" is a stretch as I never would go out with them again. Sorry, not for me. Intelligence was always my number one requirement in a man. And yes, I have dated intelligent poor men too. I actually had relationships with a few. Can you believe that? Again, I pity your wife. I'd rather cut my right arm off than be married to a man who holds your views of women. I can just imagine how she's treated. Poor woman.
pyroguy Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Well, it's obvious that you don't know me because I'm the least PC person you'll ever meet. Everything you have stated above is YOUR opinion. You can't speak for me and tell me that I have fallen for a guy because of some PC notion. It's ridiculous. I have fallen for more than one guy who wasn't at ALL my physical type but as I got to know them I found them more and more physically attractive and sexy. You have a very, very sad view of women. Not to mention and inaccurate one. I pity your wife...this attitude of yours, I GUARANTEE spills over into your marriage. There's so much to rip apart in your post that I wouldn't even begin to know where to start. That ridiculous comment about intelligence for example..and that women only want money and power. HA HA...I've dated dumb men with money. Well, actually "dated" is a stretch as I never would go out with them again. Sorry, not for me. Intelligence was always my number one requirement in a man. And yes, I have dated intelligent poor men too. I actually had relationships with a few. Can you believe that? Again, I pity your wife. I'd rather cut my right arm off than be married to a man who holds your views of women. I can just imagine how she's treated. Poor woman. Well, first of all, I guess I figured on this response. Just because you speak out honestly regarding many women, you get personally insulted. Whatm are women beyond reproach? if you say anything about them, you have a warped view, my wife should feel sorry for herself? but it's ok for you to generalize men? For your information, my wife and I have a good relationship, and she knows what kind of man I am far better than you ever could. Someone not agreeing with you does not define a man. You never wanting to be with a guy like me is..well.. ignorant and frankly, your loss. I treat my wife with the utmost respect, loyalty, and am romantic to a fault-unlike many of today's young guys, while still maintaining plenty of masculinity. I'm also a great father who is VERY involved with his kids. We don't discuss these topics on a frequent basis, and I do bring up some of the opinions-in a respectful-my opinion way. If she disagrees, she says so. Do you think no other guy is going to say some of the things I said- about some or many women? what's the problem? some of these things are true about many guys too. So, please learn to disagree with my points, not personally insult me. You don't know me or my wife and family. And, I think you would change your tune in about 30 minutes if you ever spent anytime observing us or talked to my wife. Last, what is to rip apart? are women now not cheating in record numbers? do some of them cheat simply because they are not attracted to their guy? have you researched? interviewed cheating women? Do some or many look for money? And, yes, I know what men do, but the response was to counter your claim regarding men. It's just that women are the same-that's all. Personally, I have issues with all of it these days, men and women, and their behavior. Maybe that's where it came from. I see very bad things for relationships now and in the future. Men and women are both responsible. It's just that we often here all about the men and the stereotypes, but not the women. I was just pointing that out.Insult me if you want.
Touche Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Oh please. I'm not going to get into this with you. I've never said women are perfect. You really haven't been paying attention. I'm a big critic of my own gender. So I never said women are beyond reproach? Where are you getting this from? And I did not personally attack you any more than you attacked me and called me PC, etc. To me that was insulting. All I said was I feel sorry for your wife. You made me laugh saying that it was my loss that I would never be with a man like you..ha ha..tell me another one. My H has respect for women. He doesn't feel they're any better or worse than men are though. And neither do I. The stereotypes about BOTH genders are abundant. Where are you getting this notion that we only hear about the stereotypes about men? I guess you see what you want to see. And it's a good thing that you don't often discuss this topic with your wife. If I were you, I'd keep it that way. And to answer one of your questions, yes SOME women look for a man with money..not "many" as you stated. I've said all I have to say on this. Have a great day.
Topper Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 This is a very funny thread. Men are tell woman what they find attractive in woman and the woman are telling the men they are wrong. Then we have the women telling the men what they find attractive and the men are telling the woman they are wrong. I do believe that a lot woman really dress and try to be more attractive to be better then their competition, other woman. They are less interested in what men think then they are in what other woman think. Think about it woman's magazines have more photos of sexy looking woman then men's magazines. I'm not talking about Penthouse or Playboys or even Maxium. Magazines Like Esquire, Men's health, Outdoor, Men's Journal. You see very few ads in men's magazines with guys in their jockey shorts. Women keep saying they are victims of the media. Since woman are the ones spending the money they have the control. If they stopped buying products that used super skinny models. The marketing companies would change in a NY minuet. A few years back a major cosmetics company did a marketing campaign useing average woman and showing them how they could look better and feel better using the make up. It wasa flop sales across the whole line fell. They when back to useing those mannequin like models and once again sales were up. I know I have some preferences, I Know what I like in a woman's looks. Doesn't mean it isa hard and fast rule that she must meet this height or have this size boobs or her hair has to be this one color. I do find that I am attracted to woman around 5'2" to 5'5" I like her to have some curves but proportionate. Super skinny is not attractive to me. nor is over wieght out of shape. Looking back I have dated woman that were taller then me. I'm 5'8" with a stocky build. Very broad shoulders. When I buy a suit off the rack I have to buy a size 46 jacket yet the pants for a size 46 suit are a waist of 38" My jeans are a 34". Jacket and pants always have to be taken in by a Taylor. I'm really not a bad looking guy for my age. I have been called distinquished looking. When I hada gotee a lot of woman thought I looked like Kenny Rodgers. No matter who I go out with she has to be in pretty good shape to do all the things that I love to do. I'm pretty active year round. I love to ski, hike, Camp, ride moutain bikes, ride Motorcycles, kayak, sail and play some golf. Personality playsa big part in how attractive a woman is. Bette Midler is not a raving beauty yet she is attractive in her own way.
pyroguy Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Oh please. I'm not going to get into this with you. I've never said women are perfect. You really haven't been paying attention. I'm a big critic of my own gender. So I never said women are beyond reproach? Where are you getting this from? And I did not personally attack you any more than you attacked me and called me PC, etc. To me that was insulting. All I said was I feel sorry for your wife. You made me laugh saying that it was my loss that I would never be with a man like you..ha ha..tell me another one. My H has respect for women. He doesn't feel they're any better or worse than men are though. And neither do I. The stereotypes about BOTH genders are abundant. Where are you getting this notion that we only hear about the stereotypes about men? I guess you see what you want to see. And it's a good thing that you don't often discuss this topic with your wife. If I were you, I'd keep it that way. And to answer one of your questions, yes SOME women look for a man with money..not "many" as you stated. I've said all I have to say on this. Have a great day. Please, don't say anymore. You obviously have a comprehension issue. I used the PC comment in general regarding the country-not you. I was originally responding to your post about men- "this is how it is" is what I believe you said. So, I was simply responding to thatp- not any other posts of yours. NO, I don't sensor what I say to my wife. I could insult you too and say i feel sorry for your hubby since he has to have opinions that only agree with yours- but I won't. I'm sure there is so much more to you than this topic. I don't know you. And, it is a huge insult when someone says they feel sorry for my wife, when they have no idea about our relationship and what I bring to it. Sorry, there is nothing wrong about pointing out what many women do in response to hearing a stereotype regarding men. What's wrong with pointing out the lewd behavior at male strip clubs? isn't there a whole bunch of threads where women are saddened and feel it's cheating when a male visits female strip clubs. Yet, there were never any comments regarding womens behavior, which is even worse. Why is that so terrible to point out? Touche, there is difference between respecting and appreciating women- which I teach my son verbally and through actions towards his mother, and thinking they can do no wrong. I simply pointed out a few things in RESONSE TO YOUR POST. that's all. Lastly, right,I don't want to get into it- not important enough. I will say again, that it's laughable for all that know me, when you feel sorry for my wife, and compare me to your hubby.
sb129 Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 I don't know how I know but I imagined it so. It's probably your confidence and attitude. No chip on your shoulders. Thanks! Thats a really nice compliment. This thread is getting out of hand. Its all women DO this, men DO that, etc. Really these are just everyones different perceptions. Not ALL women or ALL men have some of the (rather quite uncomplimentary) views/ traits stated on this thread. Some people conform to certain stereotypes, others don't A few people have been guilty of making massive generalisations, rather than stating it is simply their opinion.
Touche Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Please, don't say anymore. You obviously have a comprehension issue. I used the PC comment in general regarding the country-not you. I was originally responding to your post about men- "this is how it is" is what I believe you said. So, I was simply responding to thatp- not any other posts of yours. NO, I don't sensor what I say to my wife. I could insult you too and say i feel sorry for your hubby since he has to have opinions that only agree with yours- but I won't. I'm sure there is so much more to you than this topic. I don't know you. And, it is a huge insult when someone says they feel sorry for my wife, when they have no idea about our relationship and what I bring to it. Sorry, there is nothing wrong about pointing out what many women do in response to hearing a stereotype regarding men. What's wrong with pointing out the lewd behavior at male strip clubs? isn't there a whole bunch of threads where women are saddened and feel it's cheating when a male visits female strip clubs. Yet, there were never any comments regarding womens behavior, which is even worse. Why is that so terrible to point out? Touche, there is difference between respecting and appreciating women- which I teach my son verbally and through actions towards his mother, and thinking they can do no wrong. I simply pointed out a few things in RESONSE TO YOUR POST. that's all. Lastly, right,I don't want to get into it- not important enough. I will say again, that it's laughable for all that know me, when you feel sorry for my wife, and compare me to your hubby. Blow it out your ass will you? You're boring me to no end. You don't make sense. Go bother your wife or something ok? You're annoying me. I'm putting you on ignore. Hope you had fun insulting me...knock yourself out insulting me some more because I won't see it.. Buh, bye!
Touche Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 yeah getting a little personal here. I know. I don't usually get like that but I'm just in no mood for mysogynists today. Normally I can tolerate them and even laugh at them but in no mood today. And actually I thought he got personal with me...whatever. Who cares. This thread will be gone soon anyway. Au Revoir!
pyroguy Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 yeah getting a little personal here. How so? I simply responded to her post about "men", and she didn't like it. I never got personal. Has everyone gone insane here. I simply mentioned generalizations regarding women too in respone to her post. For the record, I did say in my opinion, or at least I meant to -sorry. ANd, somethings are JUST fact. I don't get it, there are all these threads where women bash men and strip clubs, and the first time someone mentions how women may behave, there's a hissy fit. Am I missing something? why am I being attacked?
Author hope1975 Posted May 16, 2007 Author Posted May 16, 2007 when I started this thread I was looking for different peoples opinions, I didn't mean for everyone to start arguing over it. Obviously we all have different opinions on things & nobody should be attacking anybody else over an opinion. That's all it is...an opinion...someones point of view...and naturally everyones going to percieve things differently. There's women & men out there of all shapes & sizes & theres also women & men out the that are insecure, unhappy, or totally secure & happy...we're not all going to agree on everything all of the time, but I think we should try & respect each others opinions. There have been some posts on here that I don't agree with personally, ie: Cutegirl...but that is her opinion & she's entitled to it. I totally agree with Trialbyfire's opinion & she's also entitled to voice that. I think it's great that we can come to one place and get to see things through so many different points of view...but please don't take anything personally..no one should be attacking anyone they don't really know based on one point of view.
sb129 Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 I totally agree with Trialbyfire's opinion & she's also entitled to voice that. So you think I am hot too?
Author hope1975 Posted May 16, 2007 Author Posted May 16, 2007 So you think I am hot too? lol...OF COURSE!!!!
allina Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 What I find annoying about some posts in this thread is that certain people feel like they have the right to set standards for others, and make generalizations about strangers based on their size. To me such an attitude is lame and pompous. People need to set standards for themselves not other people. I for one would not want to weight 150 lbs because that would be too big for ME, I also don't want to look like a 9 year old boy because that is unattractive to ME. However I'm not about to criticize a woman that weighs 150lbs and call her fat, that's just childish and tacky
mrmaximum Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Yeah being black myself, I think sometimes it's a cause issue as well cause when some black guys look at a woman, we say oh man she is think as hell. but a white guy may see her and be like naw man she fat as F*ck. It's all about perception. But myself personally I love a thick girl, who will happily take some backshots! lol. Yeah, that's right!! Couldn't have seaid it better myself!!
Author hope1975 Posted May 16, 2007 Author Posted May 16, 2007 What I find annoying about some posts in this thread is that certain people feel like they have the right to set standards for others, and make generalizations about strangers based on their size. To me such an attitude is lame and pompous. People need to set standards for themselves not other people. I for one would not want to weight 150 lbs because that would be too big for ME, I also don't want to look like a 9 year old boy because that is unattractive to ME. However I'm not about to criticize a woman that weighs 150lbs and call her fat, that's just childish and tacky I agree allina...people shouldn't try to force their opinions onto others, but there's nothing wrong with simply expressing them...I like hearing everyone's thoughts, but you can't force someone to agree with you.
Trialbyfire Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 I agree allina...people shouldn't try to force their opinions onto others, but there's nothing wrong with simply expressing them...I like hearing everyone's thoughts, but you can't force someone to agree with you. Agreed but you can try to suggest a more healthy approach to life. I know I get cranky when I see people who feel that they're entitled for nothing less than the superficial. Ick...
Author hope1975 Posted May 16, 2007 Author Posted May 16, 2007 Agreed but you can try to suggest a more healthy approach to life. I know I get cranky when I see people who feel that they're entitled for nothing less than the superficial. Ick... Yeah I think that's a great thing to do...suggesting ways to help people rather then just putting them down or whatever...advice is usually very much appreciated a good way to go.
Topper Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 a 5 foot 2 woman at 150 I would say needs to loss some wieght. A more statuesque woman might carry it off. I do Know of a semi Famous Olympic Athlete that is 160 lbs and she looks great. I'm getting a little hot just thinking about her
VinaAmez Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Well this is sad. No one mentioned the people in between thin and curvy.
sb129 Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 I am one of them. I like my body. It has a few wobbly bits, but I go to the gym regularly and eat well, so i have some toned bits (arms/legs) I am Ms Average. And all the clothes and shoes in my size sell out first, so there must be alot of ladies like me out there.
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