electric_sheep Posted May 30, 2007 Posted May 30, 2007 And that is truly scary. I have to admit that I used to think like this, but over time, I changed my ways. To go after glamour at the expense of your health is well, foolish doesn't begin to cover it, yeah? I remember that there was an epose' on Jennifer Aniston on the E! channel a few months ago. Jennifer Aniston who is by all intents and purposes VERY thin was STILL under pressure to lose more weight!! There are times that I feel for young women in this day and age. I remember seeing a video featuring the Pussy Cat Dolls. Good Lord that lead singer looks positively annorexic!! Then I remembered that the camera ADDS 10 POUNDS!!! That can't be healthy. These are women's heroes right? They see them and see that guys think this is hot so....to be hot you have to be wafer thin. I still can't get over the fact that Marylin Monroe, the quintiessential (sp?) icon of beauty for her time, would be considered FAT today. Whoa, how times have changed. What's really weird about this is I think it is actually girls/women who put pressure on other girls to be so thin (that extreme variety of thinness). The average guy would be absolutely delighted to be with any healthy and fit girl. They want a girl that can play frisbee with them and who looks hot in a bikini! They don't want a girl that is either too overweight or too frail and weak to play at the beach.
Author hope1975 Posted May 30, 2007 Author Posted May 30, 2007 Just one last comment on this thread... I'm a nutrition and fitness fanatic, and I'll be the first to tell you that BMI means virtually nothing. There is no way you can access whether someone is fat or skinny based solely on their weight and height. I see huge body builders in the gym that have crazy high BMI's, yet they are around 10% body fat. The same applies to a woman. An althetic women who is a sprinter or a swimmer is going to weigh more and have a larger BMI. And having a low BMI doens't mean you are thin. Many women that get thin by smoking and starvation are in fact fat from a % body fat perspective. They have very little muscle. I think all of us can agree that unhealthy people are not as attractive as healthy people. I totally agree, glad someone else has said this
champagne Posted May 30, 2007 Posted May 30, 2007 You realize, of course, that you can basically just ignore everything you hear. Women are notorious for their "fat talk", wherein they emphatically claim everyone around them is ridiculously skinny and that they are in fact fat (when in fact it is the other way around). Or they try and sabotage their friends by telling them they need to put on weight, when in fact they are secretly jealous about how hot they are. And guys will never tell you the truth either. I mean, do we even really need to ask? We all know what's sexy. Brad Pitt is sexy. If you're a guy and you don't look like Brad Pitt did in Troy then you could stand to improve. Honestly....I'd frankly rather have my face and body than Scarlett's also. And if you're a girl and you don't look like Kate Moss, Cate Blanchett, or Lindsey Lohan that you got some work cut out for ya. Scarlett Johanson is okay too. I don't aspire to look like Kate Moss, Cate Blanchett, or Linsey Lohan. I can look at the mirror and know that I am thin and look great. I don't want to look like those women. It's not difficult to tell the difference between someone who is thin and someone who is not. I'm thin. I like how I look. There is no one in their right mind who if they saw me would ever think "she's fat" or "she needs to lose some weight."...unless they like the Nazi death camp survivor look. I know I'm an attractive woman, not only from people telling me. I mean, c'mon, you grow up knowing that. Personally I think that Lindsay Lohan is fug. I wouldn't pay to look like her or to have her body.
DanielMadr Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 I don't aspire to look like Kate Moss, Cate Blanchett, or Linsey Lohan. I can look at the mirror and know that I am thin and look great. I don't want to look like those women. It's not difficult to tell the difference between someone who is thin and someone who is not. I'm thin. I like how I look. There is no one in their right mind who if they saw me would ever think "she's fat" or "she needs to lose some weight."...unless they like the Nazi death camp survivor look. I know I'm an attractive woman, not only from people telling me. I mean, c'mon, you grow up knowing that. Personally I think that Lindsay Lohan is fug. I wouldn't pay to look like her or to have her body. sniff, sniff whats that smell? self-praise stinks
DanielMadr Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 What's really weird about this is I think it is actually girls/women who put pressure on other girls to be so thin (that extreme variety of thinness). The average guy would be absolutely delighted to be with any healthy and fit girl. They want a girl that can play frisbee with them and who looks hot in a bikini! They don't want a girl that is either too overweight or too frail and weak to play at the beach. Tadaaa. We have a winner. Exactly.
StartingOver07 Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 I'm a nutrition and fitness fanatic, and I'll be the first to tell you that BMI means virtually nothing. There is no way you can access whether someone is fat or skinny based solely on their weight and height. Actually, you are not the first, I said it somewhere back there. I don't know my BMI but I track my bodyfat. Very nice to meet another nutrition/fitness fanatic.
electric_sheep Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 Actually, you are not the first, I said it somewhere back there. I don't know my BMI but I track my bodyfat. Very nice to meet another nutrition/fitness fanatic. Hey there. I figured someone else said it. When these threads get to be 20 pages long I only read the first couple and last couple. Did you know all the Department of Health obesity data that has been collected since 1970 or so is based on BMI? So, there is the strange possibility that instead of an "obesity epidemic" our country is actually in the midst of a "muscle epidemic". Ha. A quick jaunt to the mall is enough to convince me Americans are not getting more muscular though.
electric_sheep Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 I know I'm an attractive woman, not only from people telling me. I mean, c'mon, you grow up knowing that. Personally I think that Lindsay Lohan is fug. I wouldn't pay to look like her or to have her body. Well, exactly. That was my whole point... that we all sort of intrinsically know what's sexy and healthy and what's not. Most of us do, anyway. I just picked some celebs out of a hat. Lindsay actually doesn't look to bad depending on when she was photographed. At other times she looks aweful. Her weight goes up and down like a roller coaster, something which in itself is a pretty good indication she has food/image problems. I think all the yo-yo'ing that is pretty common these days is the result of 2 contrary influences in our society... the desire to be "thin" and "sexy", and the fact that most Americans want to eat crap and be lazy (the Supersize Me phenomenon). We can't assuage our emotions with cheap fast food & ice cream AND be thin and sexy. We have to pick one or the other. BTW, Cate Blanchet is a Goddess and beyond reproach.
electric_sheep Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 :lmao: You know the guy who posted this is full of it. A bmi of 15 wouldn't look just really thin, it would be very very ill, she would have a hard time with daily life. So either he's trying to get a reaction out of people or the women lied to him about their weight. They wouldn't be able to walk, or ... they might be an elite marathon runner, which highlights the worthlessness of BMI. 15 is pretty low, but long distance runners, like Seb Coe, who broke 12 world records in four years, often have BMI's as low as 17.
champagne Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 BTW, Cate Blanchet is a Goddess and beyond reproach. I like how I look better actually.
champagne Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 sniff, sniff whats that smell? self-praise stinks Not self-praise, I just take care of myself and have a healthy self-esteem. I like myself. The thing with guys like you is that you like women to have insecurities about their looks, so they are like a "peg" down, and you can subtly make remarks to cut her down (like bringing up celebs. etc.) When a woman has a healthy self-confidence and actually LIKES herself, men claim that is what they want, but then you get complaints also that she is arrogant. I exercise and take care of myself and like the looks that God gave me. What is wrong with that? Nothing, it's just insecure men can't deal with a confident, happy woman when it comes down to it. Insecure men want an insecure woman so it boosts their egos.
champagne Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 They wouldn't be able to walk, or ... they might be an elite marathon runner, which highlights the worthlessness of BMI. 15 is pretty low, but long distance runners, like Seb Coe, who broke 12 world records in four years, often have BMI's as low as 17. Hmmm....15 and 17...is there a difference in these numbers? Is 15 lower than 17? YES. Think about it. LOL
KatM Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 I eat a LOT and I mean A LOT as in In N Out Burgers, steak, lamb, all kinds of stuff... I am just naturally small FRAMED and SMALL BONED, I mean my wrists and bones are naturally small. If I eat a lot my pants WILL fit more snug but for some reason it doesn't show in the scale in terms of pounds/weight. If I ate anymore I would probably literally explode. It's genetics. As for an "Act of God", I'm not religious and don't believe in God. I didn't say I was "better", I am merely stating an observation that overweight women tend to be extremely BITTER, and ANGRY and BLAME others due to THEIR own jealousies and insecurities. And all I said was that I find being overweight unattractive. I don't care if it is not politically correct to say so. It is merely my opinion and nothing more. 150 lbs for any woman is just not attractive looking, sorry. It's not attractive to ME. If someone was overweight and content to b so then I could care less, it doesn't affect me either way. I am referring specifically to overweight people who are BITTER and take it out on others and blame the media for their own misfortune. as a 5'11', 150 pound cross country runner, not only did i have a toned flat stomach and wear a size 4, but I also didn't get my period. doesn't sound so disgustingly fat to me. don't make a blanket statement like, 'women over 150 lbs just aren't attractive' and then later qualify it by saying that tall women can be 150 lbs and look ok. if you don't believe that >150 is always unattractive then don't say it. at the height of her career, heidi klum admitted to being 140 lbs...so if she had gained 10 lbs she would suddenly have morphed into something disgusting?
electric_sheep Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 Hmmm....15 and 17...is there a difference in these numbers? Is 15 lower than 17? YES. Think about it. LOL I just know Seb Coe had a BMI of 17 at the height of his career. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were elite marathon runners with BMI's of 15.
Author hope1975 Posted May 31, 2007 Author Posted May 31, 2007 Not self-praise, I just take care of myself and have a healthy self-esteem. I like myself. The thing with guys like you is that you like women to have insecurities about their looks, so they are like a "peg" down, and you can subtly make remarks to cut her down (like bringing up celebs. etc.) When a woman has a healthy self-confidence and actually LIKES herself, men claim that is what they want, but then you get complaints also that she is arrogant. I exercise and take care of myself and like the looks that God gave me. What is wrong with that? Nothing, it's just insecure men can't deal with a confident, happy woman when it comes down to it. Insecure men want an insecure woman so it boosts their egos. I think most men find women with self confidence attractive, and probably wouldn't even notice an extra 5 lbs
electric_sheep Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 Not self-praise, I just take care of myself and have a healthy self-esteem. I'm not terribly fond of an abundance of "self-esteem" either, whether it be in guys or girls, and neither is Dr. Ellis, who thinks the "prudent individual will resist the arrogant and childish temptation to esteem themselves". Instead of globally rating ourselves, he suggests we work on self-acceptance. That is, accepting our intrinsic value simply for existing. It's a very egalitarian concept and one I personally like, though sadly don't always follow. http://www.davidmills.net/Overcoming-Self-Esteem.pdf http://www.threeminutetherapy.com/self-esteem.html
allina Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 I really am thin..... I am a size 6 and I hear people constantly telling me how slender and thin and how great I look...well...I'm thin......When I was a size 10 I had people tell me I looked thin and great...... no way shape, or form would I look any better..... I'm thin. Wait, let me sure I get it, you think you're thin? Oh, and I'm not flabby or skinny fat as you suggested.
champagne Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 Ummm, yes, I am definitely thin, slender, whatever you want to call it. I can look at my body and myself in the mirror, it doesn't take a rocket scientist, hon. Not a person on this earth would ever take a look at me and say I am fat or overweight by any means. I'm thinking, allina, you are having some issues with yourself or you wouldn't keep trying to get me to question myself, this is ridiculous. You are probably one of those who think that Katherine Heigl or Mandy Moore are fat because they are not size 0, and that is the kind of sick thinking which is causing body image and eating disorders in teenage women these days. Kinda sad, don't 'ya think?
champagne Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 I'm not terribly fond of an abundance of "self-esteem" either, whether it be in guys or girls, and neither is Dr. Ellis, who thinks the "prudent individual will resist the arrogant and childish temptation to esteem themselves". Instead of globally rating ourselves, he suggests we work on self-acceptance. That is, accepting our intrinsic value simply for existing. It's a very egalitarian concept and one I personally like, though sadly don't always follow. http://www.davidmills.net/Overcoming-Self-Esteem.pdf http://www.threeminutetherapy.com/self-esteem.html I don't need to bother with looking at that stuff. Ummm, people, I am happy with my size and my weight. Sorry you have a problem with that. Get over it. I'm going on my jog now, see 'ya.
allina Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 Ummm, yes, I am definitely thin, slender, whatever you want to call it. I can look at my body and myself in the mirror, it doesn't take a rocket scientist, hon. Not a person on this earth would ever take a look at me and say I am fat or overweight by any means. I'm thinking, allina, you are having some issues with yourself or you wouldn't keep trying to get me to question myself, this is ridiculous. You are probably one of those who think that Katherine Heigl or Mandy Moore are fat because they are not size 0, and that is the kind of sick thinking which is causing body image and eating disorders in teenage women these days. Kinda sad, don't 'ya think? What are you talking about? Is this directed at me?? Notice you weren't the one I quoted.
Pink Amulet Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 What's really weird about this is I think it is actually girls/women who put pressure on other girls to be so thin (that extreme variety of thinness). The average guy would be absolutely delighted to be with any healthy and fit girl. They want a girl that can play frisbee with them and who looks hot in a bikini! They don't want a girl that is either too overweight or too frail and weak to play at the beach. *jumps on you* THANK YOU! Can we have an award for the most sensible and might I mention, hopeful, post on this entire thread!!
DanielMadr Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 Not self-praise, I just take care of myself and have a healthy self-esteem. I like myself. The thing with guys like you is that you like women to have insecurities about their looks, so they are like a "peg" down, and you can subtly make remarks to cut her down (like bringing up celebs. etc.) When a woman has a healthy self-confidence and actually LIKES herself, men claim that is what they want, but then you get complaints also that she is arrogant. I exercise and take care of myself and like the looks that God gave me. What is wrong with that? Nothing, it's just insecure men can't deal with a confident, happy woman when it comes down to it. Insecure men want an insecure woman so it boosts their egos. I hate to break it for you but people with healthy self esteem dont start bitching around when someone makes a little fun of them
champagne Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 I hate to break it for you but people with healthy self esteem dont start bitching around when someone makes a little fun of them As far as my weight and such, I'm pretty happy with that right now. Other things, not so good. But getting better.
DanielMadr Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 As far as my weight and such, I'm pretty happy with that right now. Other things, not so good. But getting better. Im sure you will manage the other things pretty good too. I came across an interesting piece of advice recently....People who have nothing to complain - above average looks, health, education etc. have quiute problems with self esteem. Because everyone and themselves expect they will have marvelous results in most parts of their lives but sometimes its not that way due to simple bad luck or because they are too hard on themselves. Hence their self esteem starts leaking and the problems grow even more. Vicious cycle. They look for approval from outer world, which is not crucial and never enough. Crucial is to seek peace withim themselves. Paradox is when someone have the inner peace and isnt looking for approval, he gets plenty of it, but dont need it anymore.
electric_sheep Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 I don't need to bother with looking at that stuff. Ummm, people, I am happy with my size and my weight. Sorry you have a problem with that. Get over it. I'm going on my jog now, see 'ya. I definitely don't have a problem with it. For whatever reason I just decided to jump on the bandwagon and start picking on you. Sorry about that. I'd advice everyone to read those links regardless, but then I'm an Albert Ellis evangelist. He is one of the founders of cognitive behavioral therapy and I'm in love with him.
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