Thin or curvy??????

[polywog]

I expect it means something along the lines of Nicole Richie, but with a rack and round butt.

 

I consider myself thin and curvy. Gotta rack and a round butt, but a BMI of 20. Not bony and emaciated like Nicole Richie, but I gotta few visible bones poking through places around the curvy parts. I think lots of women are like this.

[hardknocks]

Haven't read all 19 pages either .. but

 

I like women that

 

#1 Are physically smaller (And lighter) than I am... I'm 5'-11", 160#.

#2 I can pick up and carry to the bedroom without breaking a sweat.

 

 

My GF is 5'-8" 130# (which is my 'type') and I like the Banana Republic type model more than the Victoria Secrets model.

 

Like this... http://www.bananarepublic.com/browse/category.do?cid=11927

 

HOT!

[hardknocks]

Over weight / obesity is an epidemic in this country.

 

As a nation - we are getting fatter at an amazing rate - and being over weight is becoming the new "normal"

 

This is NOT healthy.

 

This is the first generation of children in this country that will not live to be as old as their parents. That's sad.

 

As a country we are actually getting shorter - this is the first generation where our children will not be as tall as the previous.

 

We are being outpaced by many other countries in these regards. We are not healthy as a nation.

 

The USA should be the healthiest, tallest, thinnest, longest living country in the world - but we're not and we're getting worse.

 

So again - don't accept overweight as the new Normal - we all need to preach being in EXCELLENT physical shape - and generally that means thin.

[polywog]

 

As a country we are actually getting shorter - this is the first generation where our children will not be as tall as the previous.

 

I agree with everything you said, but because I can't turn off my analytical side I just had to point out that the above might have to do with the ethnic groups of people who are immigrating right now. The big tall-scots irish and german types etc. who populated this place for so long are probably what the past stats were based on.

[LucreziaBorgia]

I agree that there is an obesity epidemic. There is also a body image angst epidemic as well. Children are told to be and eat 'healthy' out of one side of the mainstream's mouth, while being encouraged to be 'fashionably skinny' out the other.

 

Heck, my ten year old daughter came to me yesterday upset because she gained weight. She is tall for her age - just over five feet tall, but is (and always has been) underweight for her height. She weighed herself at my SIL's house (something she likes to do I guess, I don't keep a scale at my house), and was dismayed to see that her weight had gone from 74 at last check to 82 at this check.

 

I had to talk to her about healthy weight gain v/s unhealthy weight gain, what a healthy height/weight ratio was all about, and unrealistic societal expectations of the female form. All she can think about though is that she is gaining weight. To her 100 is the worst and apparently all her friends are striving to stay under the golden number of 100. THIS IS AT TEN YEARS OLD AND FOURTH GRADE. She did not get these ideas from home, as her father and I do not talk in terms of 'fat' or 'skinny' - more like 'healthy' v/s 'unhealthy'. I do not grouse about my weight, talk about dieting, or any of that stuff. I know its peers, the media, etc. It burns me up to see the two faced presentation - what immediately comes to mind is skinny little Paris Hilton in a bikini appearing to relish a multi-thousands of calorie burger.

 

They fatten us up, and at the same time show us through clothing design, fashion, etc. that we need to be starving ourselves to be attractive.

[polywog]

I know, LB.... fast food commercials add to this. They show slender people wolfing down Big Macs, when the reality is that the actors they hired to be in the commercial are probably the types who puke in the toilet to maintain their wieght to get hired to be in the friggin' commercial!

[green-eyed beauty]

Hardknocks, well, that is deceptive what you say because skinny people can have really high cholesterol.

As long as you're in a healthy BMI range, weightwise, you're healthy. I am 5'8" and could be up to 160 pounds to be in the healthy BMI range.

Anyway this thread is getting off topic because it is about whether thin or curvy is the desired.

You can be curvy without being overweight. Having hips and breasts, and thighs that aren't sticks doesn't mean you are overweight or fat or unhealthy.

Hardknocks...are you making this up about having a girlfriend because you posted 4 days ago about mourning the loss of your ex-girlfriend. Also you recently posted about wanting to adopt a child because you couldn't find a woman to spend your life with.....so you found a girlfriend within the last 4 days who is built like a banana republic model??? WOW. That was fast.

[mrmaximum]

BMI is a really awful tool for anyone who is carrying muscle, as muscle is much denser than fat so you can have a high BMI and look quite slim. A far better measure than BMI is bodyfat percentage. This gives you an idea of a person's fitness rather than just weight.

 

Yep, I fall into that category too. 5'4" and 195lbs so my BMI is a whopping 33.5. VERY unhealthy but I can fit into 34" pants. It is a good guideline to be sure but you have to use a little common sense.

[alphamale]

I know, LB.... fast food commercials add to this. They show slender people wolfing down Big Macs, when the reality is that the actors they hired to be in the commercial are probably the types who puke in the toilet to maintain their wieght to get hired to be in the friggin' commercial!

yea isn;t that funny? thats the whole Los Angeles mentality. There's plenty of good and expensive food at the party but no one is eating it cause they're afraid of gaining a quarter of a pound.

[hardknocks]

Hardknocks, well, that is deceptive what you say because skinny people can have really high cholesterol.

As long as you're in a healthy BMI range, weightwise, you're healthy. I am 5'8" and could be up to 160 pounds to be in the healthy BMI range.

Anyway this thread is getting off topic because it is about whether thin or curvy is the desired.

You can be curvy without being overweight. Having hips and breasts, and thighs that aren't sticks doesn't mean you are overweight or fat or unhealthy.

Hardknocks...are you making this up about having a girlfriend because you posted 4 days ago about mourning the loss of your ex-girlfriend. Also you recently posted about wanting to adopt a child because you couldn't find a woman to spend your life with.....so you found a girlfriend within the last 4 days who is built like a banana republic model??? WOW. That was fast.

 

 

hehe somebody is ticked. yeah i have a new gf , we're only dating though... the gal i was missing so much and i still do - we broke up over 6 months ago - i think that is what set me off...

i am still thinking about giving up on dating and adopting.. it's all true.

 

hey i like thin chicks ... shoot me... i'm a thin guy - go figure!

[green-eyed beauty]

I'm slender, I'm what they call a JOGGER. Why would I be ticked that you made up a girlfriend?

I was just calling you out on the fact that you said you have a gf and you don't. ha ha.

[hope1975]

I don't think theres any "right" or "wrong" here, just alot of different peoples opinions...I think everyone has beautiful qualities about them, whether they're 110lbs or 190lbs...I was just curious as to what the majority of guys found attractive...interesting

[Toni_no12002]

By my reckoning, in order for a woman to weigh 150lbs, she would need to be about 6'4".

 

I've dated a few girls that were over 6' (hard to find 'em) and none of them were over 130lbs.

 

Basically no woman has any business weighing over 150lbs. And people who try to rationalize it away as "natural" are only making matters worse. This country used to have a strong sense of shame, and insecurity. I've gone to the gym every day for the last 2 years, I'm 6'2" and 185lbs, and I still worry about how I look. Insecurity is what makes us strive to be better. "I'm perfect the way I am" is why we have obese 12 year olds packing elementary schools.

 

Maybe I'm just mad at the fat people because they're happier than me.

 

Im 154 pounds n only 5ft 6 does that mean im fat then?i dont get it i dont look massive!

[Carbine]

Ok, I haven't read through the repliles on here, so forgive me if I'm repeating what's already been said. Also I REFUSE, and I mean UTTERLY REFUSE to use the word 'curvy'. It's one of the most abused terms I can think of. Plus nobody actually knows what 'curvy' is because it's a bit too open to interpretation. FFS, Keira Knightly reckons she's curvy. So does scarlett Johanssen and so does every other moron who prefers to sit on the body-image fence and avoid making judgements about themselves. This includes my "curvy" (her word, not mine) next door neighbour who is roughly three times the size of a well-fed heifer. Another thing - while i haven't bothered reading through this thread, I've no doubt that at somewhere along the line it probably disintegrated into a load of crap about loving someone for whats on the inside, various health concerns and the general morality of society. Really, all that stuff is irrelevant in terms of answering the original question.

 

Now that ive gotten that out of the way...

 

First, let's not confuse ourselves here. What men 'want' in terms of thin or not-so-thin is based on two totally different and opposing factors: 1) The perceived attractiveness of her body in a completely visual sense and 2) the way she performs in bed.

 

Visually, most men want skinny girls. Deal with it. Not skeletons, but they want thin, slim, lean, toned - whatever you want to call it. I know it, you know it, we all know it but nobody wants to admit it because *shock horror* it's not PC.

 

Thin girls look better, period. They look better to men, they look better to women, they look better to the companies who throw millions of dollars at them to pose in their magazines, in their commercials and to promote their products. Men get their 'skinny chick fix' at strip clubs where they literally throw away hundreds of dollars to someone simply because she has a nice body.

 

Instead of asking men what they prefer, just observe their actions. If a skinny chick walks past she'll get way more attention than a heavier girl. His eyes will linger for a few seconds longer, his head will turn slightly so he can watch her as she passes whereas the heavier girl would probably just get a glance.

 

Sexually, heavier girls get a bit more leeway. Only because men prefer to have "something to grab on to" and also because of the fear-factor of shagging a skinny girl; "oh she's so fragile, I'll snap her if I thrust too hard". Doesn't mean he finds Miss Skinny less visually attractive, and in an aesthetic sense he'd probably prefer to be having sex with her. But on the pure "touchy-feely" level, I guess Miss Slightly Heavy picks up a few points.

 

The Verdict: When somebody invents an invisible padded body suit, that person is gonna be one rich mofo... .

[polywog]

Reading through this thread just makes me think "Only in America".

[green-eyed beauty]

Ok, I haven't read through the repliles on here, so forgive me if I'm repeating what's already been said. Also I REFUSE, and I mean UTTERLY REFUSE to use the word 'curvy'. It's one of the most abused terms I can think of. Plus nobody actually knows what 'curvy' is because it's a bit too open to interpretation. FFS, Keira Knightly reckons she's curvy. So does scarlett Johanssen and so does every other moron who prefers to sit on the body-image fence and avoid making judgements about themselves. This includes my "curvy" (her word, not mine) next door neighbour who is roughly three times the size of a well-fed heifer. Another thing - while i haven't bothered reading through this thread, I've no doubt that at somewhere along the line it probably disintegrated into a load of crap about loving someone for whats on the inside, various health concerns and the general morality of society. Really, all that stuff is irrelevant in terms of answering the original question.

 

Now that ive gotten that out of the way...

 

First, let's not confuse ourselves here. What men 'want' in terms of thin or not-so-thin is based on two totally different and opposing factors: 1) The perceived attractiveness of her body in a completely visual sense and 2) the way she performs in bed.

 

Visually, most men want skinny girls. Deal with it. Not skeletons, but they want thin, slim, lean, toned - whatever you want to call it. I know it, you know it, we all know it but nobody wants to admit it because *shock horror* it's not PC.

 

Thin girls look better, period. They look better to men, they look better to women, they look better to the companies who throw millions of dollars at them to pose in their magazines, in their commercials and to promote their products. Men get their 'skinny chick fix' at strip clubs where they literally throw away hundreds of dollars to someone simply because she has a nice body.

 

Instead of asking men what they prefer, just observe their actions. If a skinny chick walks past she'll get way more attention than a heavier girl. His eyes will linger for a few seconds longer, his head will turn slightly so he can watch her as she passes whereas the heavier girl would probably just get a glance.

 

Sexually, heavier girls get a bit more leeway. Only because men prefer to have "something to grab on to" and also because of the fear-factor of shagging a skinny girl; "oh she's so fragile, I'll snap her if I thrust too hard". Doesn't mean he finds Miss Skinny less visually attractive, and in an aesthetic sense he'd probably prefer to be having sex with her. But on the pure "touchy-feely" level, I guess Miss Slightly Heavy picks up a few points.

 

The Verdict: When somebody invents an invisible padded body suit, that person is gonna be one rich mofo... .

 

This is so much bull. One man's thin is not another man's thin. For example, I am a size 10 guys will tell me "you look great." When I am an 8 people are telling me "You are thin!" When I am a 6, which I am now, I hear "you need to put on a little weight" or "are you anorexic?" and sometimes "You look great." However...I am not the Hollywood "ideal" size 2 or 4 and I don't want to be because I don't want to be that thin. I don't think I would be as attractive.

YES, you can be thin and curvy....Scarlett Johanssen is a great example.

Now for someone like you, a size 8 women would be one of those "heavier" women you talk of...other men would say "OMG, you must work out tons to keep that slim figure." So...there 'ya go. You don't need to be a size 0 or 2 supermodel size to be considered thin or get looks from guys.

[hope1975]

Reading through this thread just makes me think "Only in America".

 

I'm not from america, and I started this thread!!!...i think this issue affects everyone at some stage, regardless of where you live.

 

I think weight is an issue that has a huge affect on women & men the world over...and I was simply asking for peoples opinions, mainly out of curiosity, alot of other things have been bought up through the thread, because obviously everyone has different opinions...how boring would it be if we all had the same points of views.

 

But believe me...this does not just happen only in america!!!

[allina]

This is so much bull. One man's thin is not another man's thin. For example, I am a size 10 guys will tell me "you look great." When I am an 8 people are telling me "You are thin!" When I am a 6, which I am now, I hear "you need to put on a little weight" or "are you anorexic?"

 

I don't agree, I think almost always fat is fat. Notice that men aren't saying that anything over 100lbs is fat but all will agree that a woman of average hight and 200lbs is fat.

 

And who calls a size 6 anorexic??! When I was a size 6/7 I was called fat by my family, I look and feel much better now that i lost a bit of weight.

[green-eyed beauty]

I don't agree, I think almost always fat is fat. Notice that men aren't saying that anything over 100lbs is fat but all will agree that a woman of average hight and 200lbs is fat.

 

And who calls a size 6 anorexic??! When I was a size 6/7 I was called fat by my family, I look and feel much better now that i lost a bit of weight.

 

I really am thin, and am the ideal weight when I am a size six. I work out though so that makes a difference. I imagine you are flabby, or skinny fat...so yes, in that case, you are going to have some 'jiggle' but your family must be whack if they're calling a size 6 women fat. You can agree with what you want, but when I am a size 6 and I hear people constantly telling me how slender and thin and how great I look...well...I'm thin. I would not look good thinner. But...I have a tone body because I work out so firm looks better than skinny fat. Get it?

It is true, one man's thin is another man's fat, though. When I was a size 10 I had people tell me I looked thin and great, and others who said I needed to lose a few. It's all in your perspective of what thin is. Now some Hollywood casting agent might think I need to lose a few pounds, but in no way shape, or form would I look any better. I don't want the sunken in face, size 0 Desperate Housewives look. sorry, a couple of those women just look sunken in and older because of how they feel they need to stay their size 2 or 0, which is probably what Teri Hatcher is, it's very aging to her, poor thing.

For example...if you saw the movie Because I Said So, Mandy Moore looks about a size 6. She is definitely thin, however not Desperate Housewife Teri Hatcher thin. She looks awesome, and I don't think any guy would say she didn't, and in no way would anyone ever say she was fat (unless they like the nazi death camp survivor look.) Another example is Katherine Heigl, who is a size 6. No one would ever say she needed to lose weight or that she wasn't thin...because...she is....she looks awesome also, and unlike her costar Ellen Pompei has some breasts and something of a butt. Ellen Pompei pretty much has no body and the clothes just hang there and also...well, her face looks gross because she needs to gain 15 pounds at least.

So...this is what I mean by thin is all in your perspective, one man's thin is another man's fat. Of course a guy would be whacko if he thought either Mandy Moore or Katherine Heigl were fat...but..they're not zeros or twos, or even fours, I challenge any guy who would say they were fat or overweight. I am the same size as them...and...well, I'm thin. Hope this isn't too confusing for 'ya, hon.

[hope1975]

I think Drew Barrymore looks great...what size is she?

working out & being toned DEFINATELY makes a difference. I have a friend who weighs more then my sister, but she's toned & looks thinner. It makes a huge difference

you can't always go just by what the scales say

[Pink Amulet]

Green-eyed-beauty are you American?

 

Remember the sizing system is different.

 

I know here in Australia 6 is very very small.

 

I am considered a size 10 or 8.

[electric_sheep]

Curvy and thin are not really opposite sides of the spectrum, fat and thin are.

 

So, this is really two questions... curvy vs. straight, and thin vs. fat.

 

Curvy/straight has to do with a persons natural bone structure. A girl can be wide hiped and still very thin. Or a girl (like the 60's model Twiggy) can be very straight. Twiggy could put on weight and still not be very curvy.

 

A particular waist/hip ratio has been scientifically shown to be more alluring to men than any other. I can't remember what it was though.

 

Anyway, this is totally not PC but I could care less... I like skinny girls. It's also unfortunate for me because the average American is like 15 pds. heavier than in 1970. I think Kate Moss is hot as hell.

 

I also sort of like the androgenous look which "straight" girls have. Too straight can look kind of weird, but I'm not a big fan of wide hips.

 

In general, I think thinness and androgeny are really hot. This is a look that you seldom see in women/girls once they have graduated from high school.

 

I think Winnona Ryder is awesome, Kate Moss, and Kate Blanchet. Of course, I'd pretty much take any super model unaltered, heehee, unlike some of the other guys that have posted. The new Miss Universe (Miss Japan) is absolutely adorable.

 

p.s.

In defense, I must say I find all kinds of women of all kinds of shapes and sizes attractive. I think being overly rigid about looks just shows a lack of imagination. My preferences as mentioned above are simply what I would check off if I could order a mate via an online form or something (wouldn't that be nice!).

[electric_sheep]

This is so much bull. One man's thin is not another man's thin. For example, I am a size 10 guys will tell me "you look great." When I am an 8 people are telling me "You are thin!" When I am a 6, which I am now, I hear "you need to put on a little weight" or "are you anorexic?" and sometimes "You look great." However...I am not the Hollywood "ideal" size 2 or 4 and I don't want to be because I don't want to be that thin. I don't think I would be as attractive.

 

You realize, of course, that you can basically just ignore everything you hear. Women are notorious for their "fat talk", wherein they emphatically claim everyone around them is ridiculously skinny and that they are in fact fat (when in fact it is the other way around). Or they try and sabotage their friends by telling them they need to put on weight, when in fact they are secretly jealous about how hot they are.

 

And guys will never tell you the truth either.

 

I mean, do we even really need to ask? We all know what's sexy. Brad Pitt is sexy. If you're a guy and you don't look like Brad Pitt did in Troy then you could stand to improve.

 

And if you're a girl and you don't look like Kate Moss, Cate Blanchett, or Lindsey Lohan that you got some work cut out for ya. Scarlett Johanson is okay too.

[electric_sheep]

My GF is 5'-8" 130# (which is my 'type') and I like the Banana Republic type model more than the Victoria Secrets model.

 

Like this... http://www.bananarepublic.com/browse/category.do?cid=11927

 

HOT!

 

 

 

Those girls are crazy hot.

 

They are thin and straight, btw. The hips are not very wide in relation to the waist. This is because Banana Republic caters to a younger clientele than Victoria Secrets, no doubt.

[electric_sheep]

Just one last comment on this thread...

 

I'm a nutrition and fitness fanatic, and I'll be the first to tell you that BMI means virtually nothing. There is no way you can access whether someone is fat or skinny based solely on their weight and height.

 

I see huge body builders in the gym that have crazy high BMI's, yet they are around 10% body fat. The same applies to a woman. An althetic women who is a sprinter or a swimmer is going to weigh more and have a larger BMI.

 

And having a low BMI doens't mean you are thin. Many women that get thin by smoking and starvation are in fact fat from a % body fat perspective. They have very little muscle.

 

I think all of us can agree that unhealthy people are not as attractive as healthy people.