Author dropdeadlegs Posted May 11, 2007 Author Posted May 11, 2007 A humorous take on cause and effect with tattoos in England. http://www.city-journal.org/html/5_4_oh_to_be.html This guy is a great satirist with some real life experience. Well, that explains why when arrested you are asked if you have any tattoos. They want to judge your chances of recidivism, as in "this one will be back." And to think I always thought it was for ID purposes.....
alphamale Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Well, that explains why when arrested you are asked if you have any tattoos. They want to judge your chances of recidivism, as in "this one will be back."..... theres this database where you can positively identify porn actresses by their tats. just enter the body part(s) and a description of the tat(s) and a name pops up this is useful cause many of the porn stars go by multiple names
Storyrider Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Well, that explains why when arrested you are asked if you have any tattoos. They want to judge your chances of recidivism, as in "this one will be back." And to think I always thought it was for ID purposes..... Ha ha. Yeah. This is my favorite part: ...for example, one patient had his skull staved in with a baseball bat but said of the incident that "it was just a usual neighborly row," and therefore nothing for the police or doctors to get too worried about. "And how did you come by these fractures of your skull?" I asked my patient. It was his tattoo that was responsible. Everyone assumed that NO FEAR meant precisely that, so that whenever he walked into a pub he would be challenged to a fight by those who felt entitled to be feared, and who regarded a lack of fear as a personal insult. Moreover, he had often been glassed (the verb to glass meaning to smash a glass into someone's face or over his head, usually in a pub) because of his tattoo.
Art_Critic Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 theres this database where you can positively identify porn actresses by their tats. just enter the body part(s) and a description of the tat(s) and a name pops up this is useful cause many of the porn stars go by multiple names Google ( celebrity tattoos ) the first webpage that comes up.. it doesn't seem to be searchable but it is a huge database It isn't a porn page Wow !! Christina Applegate's tats are hot..
alphamale Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Google ( celebrity tattoos ) the first webpage that comes up.. it doesn't seem to be searchable but it is a huge database, It isn't a porn page... man, i remember when all you needed was a cigarette and leather jacket to look cool
sb129 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Unfortunately I think that you are in the minority. Generally speaking and from what I have seen, most of the people with an excessive amount of tats and/or piercings are more towards the lower class, but that doesn't mean that every single person who chooses to have that type of stuff is bad. What about visible tats of green masks?? Tangerina and Tanbark- I agree that piercings can look good on some people, and I really liked my nose stud- the only reason I don't want it doing again is I am a baby and don't want to go thru the pain of the infection I got again. I have my ears pierced (two in one, on in the other) and loved funky earrings, so I guess thats the same. My personal issue with my eyebrow piercing (on guys I think they can look great) is I now have a scar I wish I didn't have. And on a professional note, I now have issues with oral piercings cos of all the gross stuff I have seen associated with them. So, as usual I am a bit of a fence sitter here, can see both sides. If it was my daughter, I think I would be OK with a nose or ear piercings, I would just be nervous about oral or facial piercings cos of my own experience with them.
sb129 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 And as far as the work thing goes, I think I would employ someone with a tattoo or piercing. I used to work with a woman who has tattoos covering her entire arm, she just wore long sleeves to work, and she was a great nurse. My BF has a tattoo which he regrets, only because his buddy chose the design and its not really that cool anymore!! I would love a non-visible tattoo, I think some can look amazing Fearne Cotton (UK TV celeb) has a beautiful one of a green fern on her stomach. However for the last 10 years I haven't been able to find anything I want permanently inked on my body..... and now I feel that if I got a tattoo it would be for the wrong reasons.
Ladyjane14 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Had I known this about him before or during the interview I would have never hired him.. What does it say ?.. I don't know.. What it says to me, if I'm the one conducting the interview is.. "Here is a follower, not a leader." So, even if the job isn't going to require the employee to work directly with the public... I'm reading a 'lack of leadership' and taking that information into account. Right or wrong, I'm not taking a chance. And why should I? It's not like there aren't other applicants to select from who haven't given me cause to think they might have an innate inability to carve their own path. Like I said earlier, I see these things NOT as "art" but as "fad". A youngster would have about as much luck with me in an interview if s/he jumped up and did 'the macarena' at my desk. Now, I'm sure young folks with lots of piercings and tats aren't going to agree with that. But at the bottom line... middle-aged folks like me are doing the majority of the hiring and firing. So, if that's not an important consideration for a young person looking for work, it's readily apparent...written right on their FACE as it were. And frankly, if a person is going to come to an interview with "I-don't-care-what-YOU-think" written right there on his/her face... well, I can't be blamed for not caring either.
sb129 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Guess it depends on a) the job in question and b) the visibility and extent of said body "art". I would have to take both into consideration. I think people need to be realistic about their expectations too. You can cry discrimination all you want, but if you want to work in some particular fields, visible tattoos and piercings WILL be a hindrance. Others, they won't. Problem is, at 19, most people have no idea where or what their career will involve..
tanbark813 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 What it says to me, if I'm the one conducting the interview is.. "Here is a follower, not a leader." So, even if the job isn't going to require the employee to work directly with the public... I'm reading a 'lack of leadership' and taking that information into account. Nobody said you were required to have an open mind.
mrmaximum Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Having piercings and tats doesn't guarantee that you are going to be jobless and a drug addict.. I personally think all it does is limit your playing field... it narrows down your options.. There are millions of successful people out there that have body modifications.. I think the issue is that at age 18 before you have ever had a stable job and have no job experience you are most likely going to be judged on your looks and personality as you have no experience to fall back on... So having a visible piercing is going to have a larger effect on getting a stable job..Later on after a decent resume and experience are acquired then you have more than your physical looks to be judged on.. I see nothing wrong with Tat's and I too am not an addict or unemployed HOWEVER, I can see the validity in Alpha's statement, and Art has some great points here. That is why I'm a big fan of getting tat's in places people can't see. I have 6 and in a normal t shirt and shorts only one can be barely made out. Then I get to show them off if I so choose. I personally love the look on people's faces when they say; "You have HOW MANY? WHERE???" One more thing, Tat's are considered more of a man's thing so women have to be especially carefull where they get their's done.
milvushina Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 DDL, did you talk to her? What did she say about thinking it over longer? I have had a lot of facial piercings, nose, septum, eyebrow, lip, tongue. They are gone now-the eyebrow left a small scar. You could let her know they (the lip or labret) typically take around 2 months to heal and stays very swollen for about a week and a half, often get infected (mine did and it was pretty painful), rub against the teeth and can cause dental problems. Also, at least a month of no kissing and a period of no straws, difficulty eating and drinking. They DO look pretty when healed, but that is all stuff to think about. So maybe thinking about that could get her to go for something easier like the tongue, since it is her first piercing.
Ladyjane14 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Nobody said you were required to have an open mind. That's pretty much my point, Tan. If I'm hiring somebody for a job, I get to choose among them according to my tastes. Multiply me by a couple of million employers. I'm not required to have an open mind. I'm only required not to discriminate. So... if I have equal candidates for the same job and one has his face marked up and the other doesn't... guess who I'm going with?
Sheba Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 I am quite convinced that all of us "old folks" will have to adjust our thinking on "body modifications". 2 years ago, my son inquired about a job at a big grocery store and was told that he would have to remove his lip ring. Now I see kids working at that same store with facial piercings - I guess they have modified their policies. When I was young, I never saw a facial piercing except on Indian women. The only people I knew of who had tatoos were scary. Now, even kids like my highly conservative, sporty and studious 21 year old niece has both - a pierced nose and a tiny tatoo near her baby toe. My husband's EVEN more conservative 25 year old niece has a tatoo on her ankle. I met a young university student just yesterday who had tatoos covering both arms. He wants to be a teacher and admitted that the tatoos on his hands were a possible impediment to teaching elementary school so he has decided to teach high school instead. He did not feel that the tatoos were an impediment to teaching secondary education and his feeling may be borne out - my children have told me that "lots" of their teachers have tatoos, and they attend a high school with a very good reputation in one of the "best" neighbourhoods in our city. It does still make me sad to see young people with big tatoos on their chests, hands or the backs of their necks. Or girls with tatoos on their calves. I worry about their future job prospects and their dress restrictions. And, I hate to see those expanded piercings or kids with heavily pierced faces - scarring themselves for life at 19 or 20 seems like such a terrible choice. As for those with tatoos in less overt spots and or those who are more reserved in their facial piercings, I am learning to attach less and less signficance. I certainly don't think of them as slackers, drug users or otherwise potential plagues on society. I know otherwise.
Ladyjane14 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 And, I hate to see those expanded piercings ... Do you mean those spacers they use to expand their earlobes? I was thinking about this thread earlier today while I was talking to a friend. And I happened to mention to her that I'd been standing in line at the grocery yesterday behind this kid who had his earlobes sort of flapping around without jewelry installed. So... clown that she is , she asked if I'd broken into a rousing chorus of "Do your ears hang low?" Now... I can't get the frikkin' tune out of my head! :lmao: "Do your ears hang low Can you swing 'em to and fro Can you tie 'em in a knot Can you tie 'em in a bow Can you throw 'em o'er your shoulder Like a continental soldier Do your ears hang low?" I don't know HOW I'll be able to resist at least humming a few bars next time I see a guy like that. :p
tanbark813 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 That's pretty much my point, Tan. If I'm hiring somebody for a job, I get to choose among them according to my tastes. Multiply me by a couple of million employers. I'm not required to have an open mind. I'm only required not to discriminate. So... if I have equal candidates for the same job and one has his face marked up and the other doesn't... guess who I'm going with? Yeah, but some of us lowlifes with piercings are the ones sitting in the interviewer chair evaluating potential candidates.
Sheba Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Yes - the spacers! Thank you for the word, I had forgotten what they were called. The first time I saw those things they were clear ones almost as big as a Ritz cracker in the ears of a particularly gorgeous young woman. I almost wanted to cry, seeing what she had done to herself. I have seen an older man with his spacers out, however, and immediately had that same song go through my head. Now I am going to hear it all day. Thanks for the word, but no thanks for the song, LadyJane.
Ladyjane14 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Thanks for the word, but no thanks for the song, LadyJane. Your welcome. Muahahahaha!!! :p Yeah, but some of us lowlifes with piercings are the ones sitting in the interviewer chair evaluating potential candidates. C'mon Tan... I'm not calling anybody a "lowlife". And I darn sure wouldn't call YOU a "lowlife". I can either tell you guys what I really think, or I can be all PC and blow sunshine up your butt. For me, I don't find an inordinate amount of piercings or tattoos at all attractive. And as a parent... I think it's fundamental to teach a child not to obey whatever fads or trends are on the market. To be honest... I've TAUGHT my kids "rebellion". I'm just teaching them to rebel against marketing.
tanbark813 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 For me, I don't find an inordinate amount of piercings or tattoos at all attractive. And as a parent... I think it's fundamental to teach a child not to obey whatever fads or trends are on the market. It's one thing to not like them because you don't think they're attractive. To each his own. But a common misconception in this thread held especially by the more straight-laced folks is that people get piercings because they're following some trend. Maybe some, but not all. A lot of people get them because they like them. I didn't get my first piercing until age 20 and my most recent one was less than a year ago at age 29 and it sure as hell wasn't to be "rebellious". To me it's kind of like modifying or personalizing a car. Plus the experience itself is fun. There might be some job-related instances in which they're inappropriate but just because you dress like Ward Cleaver doesn't mean you're guaranteed to be CEO of a fortune 500 company. I see plenty of bums on the street with no piercings whatsoever.
Ladyjane14 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 A lot of people get them because they like them. Alot of people buy posters too. They frame them up and hang them on their wall. But they usually don't leave them there FOR LIFE.
tanbark813 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Alot of people buy posters too. They frame them up and hang them on their wall. But they usually don't leave them there FOR LIFE. Most piercings aren't left in for life either.
Ladyjane14 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Most piercings aren't left in for life either. But if you develop a really BAD infection... sometimes the scars ARE. Not everybody can afford the plastic surgery to have these things reversed. Getting piercings and tattoos are relatively cheap procedures when compared to what it costs to get these things reversed. Dental care alone is an absolute mint these days. When you do something that has implications to your teeth... you better have deep pockets. Frankly, I can find lots and lots of reasons for discouraging a young person from piercing and tattooing... but I can't find a whole lot that's positive to be had in recommending it. Have you ever seen that TV show Malcolm in the Middle? The main character, played by Frankie Muniz got his tongue pierced... and ever after, he was slurring his words like he was DRUNK. I'm thinking if SPEAKING was my bread and butter, I'm not messing around with my ability to do that. I think it's just another example of how short-sighted young people can be on this issue.
tanbark813 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 But if you develop a really BAD infection... sometimes the scars ARE. Not everybody can afford the plastic surgery to have these things reversed. Getting piercings and tattoos are relatively cheap procedures when compared to what it costs to get these things reversed. Dental care alone is an absolute mint these days. When you do something that has implications to your teeth... you better have deep pockets. See, stuff like this just sounds like those old, paranoid warning videos about marijuana how if you take one puff it instantly turns you into a psychopath. I had my eyebrow pierced for 9 years and not once had an infection. I also got my ear cartilage pierced (the most recent one) back in August and have had no problems with it so far. In fact, the ONLY infection I've had in 10 years from piercing was one of my ear lobes when I first got it done. Ironically, the most common piercing out there. For every story you can point out about an infected piercing or an experience like sb129's I can point out one that went just fine. Have you ever seen that TV show Malcolm in the Middle? The main character, played by Frankie Muniz got his tongue pierced... and ever after, he was slurring his words like he was DRUNK. I'm thinking if SPEAKING was my bread and butter, I'm not messing around with my ability to do that. I think it's just another example of how short-sighted young people can be on this issue. That's a TV SHOW. I'm guessing it's exaggerated. My brother got his tongue pierced and he spoke just fine with it. Hell, a girl I knew in band had two tongue piercings and could still play the clarinet well. I think you've been fed a lot of misinformation.
Ladyjane14 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 See, stuff like this just sounds like those old, paranoid warning videos about marijuana how if you take one puff it instantly turns you into a psychopath. I had my eyebrow pierced for 9 years and not once had an infection. I also got my ear cartilage pierced (the most recent one) back in August and have had no problems with it so far. In fact, the ONLY infection I've had in 10 years from piercing was one of my ear lobes when I first got it done. Ironically, the most common piercing out there. For every story you can point out about an infected piercing or an experience like sb129's I can point out one that went just fine. The point is... that there ARE those stories out there. And when it's YOUR kid, be they 8, or 18, or 28 ... you don't want to them taking chances in spoiling their cute little FACE. As a parent, you want the BEST for your kid....the most possible options. We're not just talking about piercings and tattoos in general here. We're talking about the role of parents in that process. That's a TV SHOW. I'm guessing it's exaggerated. Nope, I mean the actor. Every subsequent scene after the piercing, he had an audible speech impediment. It sounded like he was rolling a marble in his mouth in every scene.
tanbark813 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 The point is... that there ARE those stories out there. And when it's YOUR kid, be they 8, or 18, or 28 ... you don't want to them taking chances in spoiling their cute little FACE. As a parent, you want the BEST for your kid....the most possible options. We're not just talking about piercings and tattoos in general here. We're talking about the role of parents in that process. Okay, well that argument I can respect much more than some of the others in this thread.
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