Woggle Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 If you look around it is obvious that certain women just make better wives and partners than others. They are less likely to cheat, become walkaway wives and are also less likely to grow to resent their men for whatever reason. Men want to maximize the odds that we will have a happy marriage that lasts because we have seen so many of our peers go through nasty divorces or end up in marriages where their wives seem to hate them. Why is it that these men are called sexist, misogynistic and closed minded for simply wanting to avoid the drama that goes with picking the wrong woman? Isn't it perfectly logical for somebody to want to maxmize their odds of having a successful relationship?
Mr White Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 Many women view themselves as the God's gift to men, and get pissy if they don't recieve instant adoration, regardless of what they've done in the past. They're no different than the cocky college graduates with zero job experience that think that they are entitled to a job just because they have a useless degree. I've picked by girlfriend precisely because she's modest, sweet, caring, has had only 2 boyfriends before me, shows ability to be accountable (i.e. for the most part, knows when she is to blame for a screw up). Etc. She doesn't feel entitled to anything, but deserves it.
Lizzie60 Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 Bottom line you two... is this: when I hear things like this: --- has had only 2 boyfriends before me, ---- Before you truly know a person.. there is no way you can tell (even after you know her/him) if they are being really honest about their past... Of course you can say that you trust them.. that YOU KNOW she/he is not lying.. yadayadayada... but this is NOT true... no one EXCEPT the person itself knows the REAL TRUTH... So you can go on and on about how 'careful' you guys are... the truth is that you will never really know if she had 50 partners.. cause she ain't going to tell you if she's really into you... PERIOD
Alexz Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 Why is it that these men are called sexist, misogynistic and closed minded for simply wanting to avoid the drama that goes with picking the wrong woman? Isn't it perfectly logical for somebody to want to maxmize their odds of having a successful relationship? There are very obvious and not-so-obvious differences between both genders, and I think the different views of certain situations is what leads to us applying certain stereotypes or attributes to eachother. For example, I am a male also, but when I read you posting "maximize your odds," it can strike me as very shallow and inconsiderate to certain individuals. What do you mean "protect ourselves" though? Like... break off a relationship? I'm confused what that means.
bayouboi Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 Bottom line you two... is this: when I hear things like this: --- has had only 2 boyfriends before me, ---- Before you truly know a person.. there is no way you can tell (even after you know her/him) if they are being really honest about their past... Of course you can say that you trust them.. that YOU KNOW she/he is not lying.. yadayadayada... but this is NOT true... no one EXCEPT the person itself knows the REAL TRUTH... So you can go on and on about how 'careful' you guys are... the truth is that you will never really know if she had 50 partners.. cause she ain't going to tell you if she's really into you... PERIOD Haha, I love Lizzie60 as a poster mainly because of her brutal honesty. Let me see if I can paraphrase what you posted in a little more concise form. All women are liars so good luck "protecting" yourselves.
carhill Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 Wog's, it's pretty simple actually. 1. Don't care how women characterize your perspective. Own it. 2. Treat people according to your code of behavior. If you are treated in a hurtful way, communicate it and push back. Don't allow hurtful treatment. 3. Walk away. You don't need them. You're an autonomous, fully functional and loving human being. They don't define your existence at all. The absolute worst thing a man can do is internalize a woman's negative behaviors. She's responsible for her behaviors, just like he is. Own it
Lizzie60 Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 Haha, I love Lizzie60 as a poster mainly because of her brutal honesty. Let me see if I can paraphrase what you posted in a little more concise form. Love you too... I didn't quite meant that all women are liars... NOT at all... men can also lie when needed.. What I'm saying is that I find amusing when men post that they need to 'protect' themselves against big bad women... because those big, bad women can lie to them.. and scr*ew them... Well.. guess what, men and women can scr*ew anytime for X reasons... if it's not working anymore.. PLUS... men AND women might not divulge their past if they don't think it's needed and if they are head over heels for the other person.. why risk it? Bottom line: no matter what people say... to 'protect' themselves.. it's just not quite what happens in reality... but it's nice to think that they need to 'protect' themselves and they have the 'secrets' to do so..
calazhage Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 Bottom line you two... is this: when I hear things like this: --- has had only 2 boyfriends before me, ---- Before you truly know a person.. there is no way you can tell (even after you know her/him) if they are being really honest about their past... I disagree.. You are correct that a woman can lie when asked a direct question. However, you also she how she responds before and after sex. Unless she is the best actress in the world, it is fairly easy to see how she values her body, and sex.. I used to feel how many partners a woman had was irrelevant, but now that I found a woman who values herself I see something was always missing in the past.. Simply put, the more partners a woman has, the more screwed up she is. Not 100% accurate, but a fairly good barometer.
Mr White Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 Bottom line you two... is this: when I hear things like this: --- has had only 2 boyfriends before me, ---- Before you truly know a person.. there is no way you can tell (even after you know her/him) if they are being really honest about their past... Of course you can say that you trust them.. that YOU KNOW she/he is not lying.. yadayadayada... but this is NOT true... no one EXCEPT the person itself knows the REAL TRUTH... So you can go on and on about how 'careful' you guys are... the truth is that you will never really know if she had 50 partners.. cause she ain't going to tell you if she's really into you... PERIOD Sure, but it's been more than a year, and everything checks out so far. Women are not as good at deception as they think they are - spend enough time with a woman, and you will learn enough about her past, even if just indirectly - how she behaves in general, a casual comment or remark here and there, etc. it paints a picture over time.
Alexz Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 I disagree.. Simply put, the more partners a woman has, the more screwed up she is. Not 100% accurate, but a fairly good barometer. Do any ladies here agree with this statement? I'm curious, but a bit skeptical.
Lizzie60 Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 Do any ladies here agree with this statement? I'm curious, but a bit skeptical. Not at all... this is completely false.. I am the living proof..
Ms. Joolie Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 Why is it that these men are called sexist, misogynistic and closed minded for simply wanting to avoid the drama that goes with picking the wrong woman? Isn't it perfectly logical for somebody to want to maxmize their odds of having a successful relationship? YOU, Woggle, have been called sexist, misogynistic and closed minded. I know it. I see it all the time on here. Women don't like you much on here and beat you up and down with name calling. You really do have a problem with seeing and experiencing good, healthy relationships. Unfortunately, you have been the witness and victim of many unhealthy relationships. So I think I understand why you want to protect yourself, and why everyone on the outside is the bad person in your eyes. You have been reacting to the past. You are reacting to chaos around you. ....that's what I believe. There is a lot that could be said about that. What I respect and admire about you though is how you are pausing to think about these things. That's the best thing you can do. Think. Change. And instead of reacting to chaos, you can be proactive. YOU take the responsibility for the type of relationships you need, the kind you want to experience. What I find most important for you though, is to believe that all people are good. People are good and bad. You just have to be proactive and promote the good.
calazhage Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 The women who have the most partners are generally the most desperate as well. They have a constant need for male validation/attention/affection and this is how they value themselves. It is humorus how women feel they can do whatever they want with their bodies, then NEVER be judged about this from future partners.
donnamaybe Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 It's refreshing to see Woggle post that there are good women, you just have to work to find them. That is a far cry from his past threads! Wogs, you're making progress! As for the lying thing, ANYONE can lie, and some people are VERY good at it. For myself, the barometer I use is this: How does he treat me? How does he treat others? Is he kind to animals and small children? Does he own his own screw ups? Is he responsible? Ya know - insignificant stuff like that. I certainly wouldn't bother with stupid crap like how many women he's had in the past.
donnamaybe Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 The women who have the most partners are generally the most desperate as well. They have a constant need for male validation/attention/affection and this is how they value themselves. It is humorus how women feel they can do whatever they want with their bodies, then NEVER be judged about this from future partners. You're just bitter, and it shows - VERY clearly. These women who do what they want with - what was it? THEIR OWN BODIES? LMFAO!!!! They just haven't wanted to do it with you!!! :lmao:
calazhage Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 It's refreshing to see Woggle post that there are good women, you just have to work to find them. That is a far cry from his past threads! Wogs, you're making progress! As for the lying thing, ANYONE can lie, and some people are VERY good at it. For myself, the barometer I use is this: How does he treat me? How does he treat others? Is he kind to animals and small children? Does he own his own screw ups? Is he responsible? Ya know - insignificant stuff like that. I certainly wouldn't bother with stupid crap like how many women he's had in the past. Ok, what if you found out he tortured animals in the PAST. In the past he had a gambling and drug problem.. He abused a child in the PAST. Would his past be relevant? The best indicator of future behavior is the past.. Men typically do care how many guys a woman slept with, as they use this to judge the future with her. Why are we shamed for that? Or else we should all just marry prostitutes and expect them to value sex. And no, it is not the same for women.. Women generally SEEK OUT the same males that other women want.. How many women a man slept with is not something that hurts them at the core, as it does for a man. Men are not the same as women in this regard, at all.
Jersey Shortie Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 Why is it that these men are called sexist, misogynistic and closed minded for simply wanting to avoid the drama that goes with picking the wrong woman? Isn't it perfectly logical for somebody to want to maxmize their odds of having a successful relationship? Men aren't called sexist, misogynistic or close minded for the things you described. It's usually their comments, attitudes and actions that are the real reason for these descriptions of their character. It's fine to want to maxmize the odds of having a successful relationship. But it's not fine to hide behind the premise of that to talk about, act towards and demean other people in general in the name of self perservation.
donnamaybe Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 Ok, what if you found out he tortured animals in the PAST. In the past he had a gambling and drug problem.. He abused a child in the PAST. Would his past be relevant? Um, yeah. Not for the drug and gambling problems, as long as they were no longer an issue, but the abuse thing? Yeah. That's a clear indicator of the type of soul a person has. Meanness and a lack of empathy. You can't learn to not have a streak of meanness or empathy for others. You either have that or you don't. But if he had been with a LOT - and I mean A LOT - of women in the past I wouldn't care one bit, as long as I was his one and only NOW.
donnamaybe Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 And no, it is not the same for women.. Women generally SEEK OUT the same males that other women want.. How many women a man slept with is not something that hurts them at the core, as it does for a man. Men are not the same as women in this regard, at all. Who in the hell do you think you are to decide this for all women and all men? Good gawd.
Alexz Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 Who in the hell do you think you are to decide this for all women and all men? Good gawd. Everyone's different after all. My question, for the OP, is what does "protecting ourselves" means?
Jersey Shortie Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 In baseball it means safely and correctly wearing a cup! Alexz, I love your avatar picture. It reminds me of that Sweet Millions commercial with the bunnies.
Alexz Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 In baseball it means safely and correctly wearing a cup! Must be hard fitting one of these on there. Alexz, I love your avatar picture. It reminds me of that Sweet Millions commercial with the bunnies. Thank you. Bunny wubs you too! I youtubed it... Cannot compute... Cuteness overload Click me!
txsilkysmoothe Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 You're not wrong for protecting yourself. I'm not wrong for protecting myself. We should all attempt to protect ourselves. I think what LS women have a problem with is how some LS men (not you) have described their selection process. For some, if she is American, she's no good. If she was ever married, no good! Financially supports herself - hell no! And God forbid she has a child!!!! This type of thinking rules out a lot of good and loving women who would devote a lifetime to their partner. It's just sad, but I can accept it.
skydiveaddict Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 (edited) Why is it that these men are called sexist, misogynistic and closed minded for simply wanting to avoid the drama that goes with picking the wrong woman? Isn't it perfectly logical for somebody to want to maxmize their odds of having a successful relationship? I think it's because men are, by nature, the pursuers, so they will make concessions. Women have learned this, and with the aid of modern day feminism, they will "twist the knife" to get exactly what they want. Criticize a man? sure, all day long, no problem. Criticize a woman and you better start running for your life. Edited February 24, 2010 by skydiveaddict
txsilkysmoothe Posted February 24, 2010 Posted February 24, 2010 i havent read any of the above on ls, except for not wanting to date a woman that has kids.. I do believe more and more american women are good for sex, but not for marriage. then you must have missed this thread: guys who go to other countries to find women http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t219577/ the other things i listed were included in threads that were deleted by moderators because they were deemed "women-hater" threads. what is the female selection process i have read? Must be a certain height, have a certain career or income, along with a host of other qualities that might not even exist in one man. if you're referring to the recent thread, i could be wrong, but think it was in jest. "i" did not participate in that thread. what women want is this.. No accountability for their actions or behavior..if they have kids men should overlook this.. If they had tons of sexual partners men should not care.. If they are broke the man should pay, or else he is "cheap". Men should have no standards and just accept that women are fat, easy, have low morals, and maybe even have to support another guys kids.. Anything short of that makes a guy a "mysoginist". it's unfortunate that you choose to view all women as the same. I do not want or expect any of the things you have listed. I don't believe men are mysoginist but to be perfectly honest, the word is not part of my vocabulary, so i only have a vague understanding of its meaning. I believe men are wonderful and beautiful beings. :) :)
Recommended Posts