The average women has many more dating options then then the average Man

Green and Zen bring up great points.

 

 

After being on this board for several months, I think I've come to the conclusion that women in part naturally like men to be assertive because it affirms for them that their efforts to look attractive are paying off. I would imagine it could be a bit disheartening to go through all the efforts they go through, AND ask men out on top of it. I also don't think most women would be insulted if asked out in the proper way.

 

Zen also had a great point being that if a man wants a legitimate relationship, he is more likely to find one because chances are his interests align with many women! However, it's not so cut and dry for women. They have to make sure he's not after them for sex only.

 

I guess the main point is, yes, we're different when it comes to dating. But in the grand scheme of things, things aren't that bad for either gender. I honestly think a lot of the bitterness from the males comes from simple fear of rejection.

Thank you. A voice of reason.

Things are just out of balance between men and women right now. Gender roles used to be well defined and it was obvious when someone was functioning outside of them. Now the rules are out the window.

To all the guys who are moaning nonstop here about how easy women have it - being a woman who does not approach men is probably just as potentially difficult and potentially crushing as being a man who does approach.

There are the cocky, confident men who don't get turned down or sneered at when they approach women ... and then there are the rest.

There are the magnetic, beautiful, sexy women who draw men like flies to meat, and then there are the others.

It does not feel good to be the others of either gender. Guys, I promise you that lots of those women who are just sitting around waiting to be hit on are feeling just as crappy as you are about risking rejection.

Trying to make women out to be the enemy is not going to help anything get better; it certainly is not going to help you personally.

When you have her beneath you and you are pounding the sht out of her... just remember ur the one who gets to cum inside her not the other way around. Make her lick your balls... and remember she has no balls to lick. Finaly and most importantly realize we were given more raw power, women will never know what its like to be so strong (most women won't know)

This creeps me out. Thank God my man is not having sex with me in this frame of mind. Kind of sounds like the mentality of a rapist.

This creeps me out. Thank God my man is not having sex with me in this frame of mind. Kind of sounds like the mentality of a rapist.

were you raped or something? I don't know why you would choose to judge me like this other that or you just being a sick person. You'd be suprised the things your bf thinks about.

Yep, nothing more enlightening than having sex with a woman who's considering her other dating options while she's having sex with you; or making out her grocery list.

Green's right that men *think* about all kinds of things while having sex/making love. So do women. I've heard some of the things women have on their minds directly from them, two of which appear above. That one doesn't generally hear similar from men can be a direct reflection of their relative dating options and the effect of those disclosures on their options. Women are not similarly encumbered.

This creeps me out. Thank God my man is not having sex with me in this frame of mind. Kind of sounds like the mentality of a rapist.

Typical of a woman to scream out rapist over every single little thing. Rape is being watered down in it's meaning before you know it, soon men will have to make the woman sign a contract that she is willing to have sex because if she regrets it the morning after... guess what? You a rapist!

 

Guys, I promise you that lots of those women who are just sitting around waiting to be hit on are feeling just as crappy as you are about risking rejection.

 

Maybe so but if you dont find those ones and continually find women who rip you to shreds for evne approaching it can wear on you and make you not want to even try anymore

Maybe so but if you dont find those ones and continually find women who rip you to shreds for evne approaching it can wear on you and make you not want to even try anymore

I believe you, but it nobody gets anywhere by heaping all the blame, anger and frustration upon the other sex. If a person is really interested in having any type of positive relations with the opposite gender, this can't go on. It's very divisive and truly goes nowhere.

As general life - stuff is not fair, we often don't know where other people are really coming from, we have the hand we are dealt to make the most from, frequently we are our own worst enemies and need to get out of our own way to get a break ... and continue to take risks, even if it feels like crap lots of times.

Typical of a woman to scream out rapist over every single little thing. Rape is being watered down in it's meaning before you know it, soon men will have to make the woman sign a contract that she is willing to have sex because if she regrets it the morning after... guess what? You a rapist!

Wayne, as always, I am stunned by your brilliant insights.

When you have her beneath you and you are pounding the sht out of her... just remember ur the one who gets to cum inside her not the other way around. Make her lick your balls... and remember she has no balls to lick. Finaly and most importantly realize we were given more raw power, women will never know what its like to be so strong (most women won't know)

were you raped or something? I don't know why you would choose to judge me like this other that or you just being a sick person. You'd be suprised the things your bf thinks about.

No. Your description of sex expresses anger and the sense of a power exhibition on your part, which is known to be the mindset of rapists, often ... rape's an act of anger, not sexuality.

I am fine with what you describe in a consensual relationship - and much more extreme, in fact. Unless it's agreed upon in advance, "making" your woman do something, etc. is not really happening in a love relationship.

Do you know for a fact that your girlfriend is pleased when you "make her lick your balls"?

Whatever works for you and your girlfriend, Green, but I've been following your posts for a long time and I honestly believe that you have taken a wrong turn between back when you were befuddled by girls and your more recent power-mad incarnation. I predict that you have another turn in your future. Hope so, anyway.

Green's right that men *think* about all kinds of things while having sex/making love. So do women. I've heard some of the things women have on their minds directly from them, two of which appear above. That one doesn't generally hear similar from men can be a direct reflection of their relative dating options and the effect of those disclosures on their options. Women are not similarly encumbered.

I agree. I can only imagine, what goes through the minds of the male population, when it comes to that sort of thing. But, I certainly wouldn't label the majority of the male population, as a rapist. And, I do not think a rapist is concerned with having their man bits licked.

It seems like your averge looking women has many more options in the dating field then your average looking Man, an average looking women has a decent amount of suitors to get dates from where you average looking guy has to get shot down numerous times before he even gets a number

 

You have a bunch of sex starved agressive dudes who hit on these women and it inflates their egos and gives them a sense of entitlement which makes it harder for your average guy to find a mate

 

Obviously this isnt true of all women at all but it seems like its getting more prevalent in society

This is absolutely true. Average women can get dates and sex from guys who are out of their league, but they rarely get those men to commit. A lot of average women have unrealistic expectations because they can date guys who are more attractive than them and fool themselves into believing that they are eventually going to get one of those guys to marry them, only to end up disappointed and bitter.

No. Your description of sex expresses anger and the sense of a power exhibition on your part, which is known to be the mindset of rapists, often ... rape's an act of anger, not sexuality.

 

I am fine with what you describe in a consensual relationship - and much more extreme, in fact. Unless it's agreed upon in advance, "making" your woman do something, etc. is not really happening in a love relationship.

 

Do you know for a fact that your girlfriend is pleased when you "make her lick your balls"?

 

Whatever works for you and your girlfriend, Green, but I've been following your posts for a long time and I honestly believe that you have taken a wrong turn between back when you were befuddled by girls and your more recent power-mad incarnation. I predict that you have another turn in your future. Hope so, anyway.

Look you already saw carhill post about how men think about a lot of stuff. My post was meant to encourage the men who are feeling sorry for themselves by exciting them. Sorry if "locker room" talk is to much for you.

Let me teach you a lesson in manners, Don't tell people they sound like Rapist because it makes you sound like an A-hole. You sound like a traumatized person. Sorry if my talk was too graphic for your tastes. Like you said you've seen my posts so feel free to ignore them because you can expect more of the same.

Sorry to burst your bubble and let you know I'm not a rapist or a wannabe rapist ect. I happen to think that it is very femanatzi of you to try to shame me be calling me a devient or "rapist" mind as you are now acusing.

Good luck with that

I agree. I can only imagine, what goes through the minds of the male population, when it comes to that sort of thing. But, I certainly wouldn't label the majority of the male population, as a rapist. And, I do not think a rapist is concerned with having their man bits licked.

I think calling men, like me "mind of a rapist" because I wrote about having some rough sex is total bull****. It really takes away from what rape actualy is when certain women go around calling men they don't even know "you sound like a rapist" ... wtf does a rapist sound like, me obviously, I guess I have to be a little less graphic in the way I think about sex, talk about some soft tender misionary as the end all be all... would that make me not sound like a rapist... because thats actualy something I should think about right... how to not sound like a rapist. I wonder if this woman has sons.... "honey don't say things like that you sound like a rapist" "mom why are you listening in on my sexy phone call with my consensual of age gf?"

I think calling men, like me "mind of a rapist" because I wrote about having some rough sex is total bull****.

First, I did not say you sound like a rapist. I don't think you're a rapist. I said that the tone of your post kind of sounded like the mentality of a rapist.

Rape is known to be an act of aggressive domination rather than one done for sexual fulfillment.

I have no issue with rough sex, ball licking, whatever, between consensual adults.

What I think is creepy about your post is that you are exhorting all men who are reading to seize power over women in general, just because it's physically possible.

First, I did not say you sound like a rapist. I don't think you're a rapist. I said that the tone of your post kind of sounded like the mentality of a rapist.

 

Rape is known to be an act of aggressive domination rather than one done for sexual fulfillment.

 

I have no issue with rough sex, ball licking, whatever, between consensual adults.

 

What I think is creepy about your post is that you are exhorting all men who are reading to seize power over women in general, just because it's physically possible.

Most women are turned on when you seize power in the bedroom and manhandle them

Most women are turned on when you seize power in the bedroom and manhandle them

Men just can't win it seems. If the man takes charge and seizes power in the bedroom then he is a rapist, and if he doesn't and let's the woman be in control they gonna find that a turn off/think he isn't into it as much/is a wimp and so on.

First, I did not say you sound like a rapist. I don't think you're a rapist. I said that the tone of your post kind of sounded like the mentality of a rapist.

 

Rape is known to be an act of aggressive domination rather than one done for sexual fulfillment.

 

I have no issue with rough sex, ball licking, whatever, between consensual adults.

 

What I think is creepy about your post is that you are exhorting all men who are reading to seize power over women in general, just because it's physically possible.

Look telling some one what they said sounded like a rapist just isn't something that lends itself to productive conversation. Its very disrespectful, same as with the word Creepy.

Guys who were about looking like Creeps are usualy the same guys who make and feed into threads like this. I personaly want to live life as ME and not worry about people like you who label people or actions as CREEPY. WOrrying about being creepy will make you second guess yourself and you'll lose your genuiness and ability to get women.

Most women are turned on when you seize power in the bedroom and manhandle them

Most of the women who try to analyze a man or their actions will call it creepy. The men who worry about being creepy or flasly being labled rapist are those who will do bad with women. Just be yourself is what I say. Yes women love getting "manhandled." When I talked about getting physical with a girl YES I am FORCEFULL... but if a girl says OUCH or heck if she wants to stop MID INTERCOURSE I will. There is never a point where I am like I'm stronger then you and this is going to happen whether you want it or not.

Men just can't win it seems. If the man takes charge and seizes power in the bedroom then he is a rapist, and if he doesn't and let's the woman be in control they gonna find that a turn off/think he isn't into it as much/is a wimp and so on.

Right on the money. And they say us men are the ones with emotional issues.

I think calling men, like me "mind of a rapist" because I wrote about having some rough sex is total bull****. It really takes away from what rape actualy is when certain women go around calling men they don't even know "you sound like a rapist" ... wtf does a rapist sound like, me obviously, I guess I have to be a little less graphic in the way I think about sex, talk about some soft tender misionary as the end all be all... would that make me not sound like a rapist... because thats actualy something I should think about right... how to not sound like a rapist. I wonder if this woman has sons.... "honey don't say things like that you sound like a rapist" "mom why are you listening in on my sexy phone call with my consensual of age gf?"

I get what you are saying...

I think Mme. Chaucer's point is that most woman do not want to hear her guy forcefully tell her, to lick his privates, and that she would prefer to hear it in a gentler tone (and/or not at all), or rather let her take the initiative herself to do it or have her guy guide her in that direction.

Which, is what you've summed up, in the above post.

Actually, this is not about asking or telling one's sex partner what to do, or how the partner would prefer it to be worded:

Make her lick your balls... and remember she has no balls to lick. Finaly and most importantly realize we were given more raw power, women will never know what its like to be so strong

Green is presenting dominance / power displays based on gender as dating advice.

That is why I think it's creepy.

Whether you like it or not, Green, that's what I really think. Creepy.

Actually, this is not about asking or telling one's sex partner what to do, or how the partner would prefer it to be worded:

 

 

 

Green is presenting dominance / power displays based on gender as dating advice.

 

That is why I think it's creepy.

 

Whether you like it or not, Green, that's what I really think. Creepy.

That's not how I read it. Green doesn't use a filter sometimes, but, I do not think he was trying to advocate that a man go up to a complete stranger and tell her and/or force her to lick his ba*ls in the context of "rape".

NOW MEN STOP CRYING (boo hoo I have it harder) You know who else has it harder... ASTRONAUGHTS have it harder then CASHIERS... but its more WORTH IT. When you have her beneath you and you are pounding the sht out of her... just remember ur the one who gets to cum inside her not the other way around. Make her lick your balls... and remember she has no balls to lick. Finaly and most importantly realize we were given more raw power, women will never know what its like to be so strong (most women won't know) Would you rather enjoy action/comedies or romantic/comedies you pick... oh yeah it was decided for you.

 

But in all fairness Mme Chaucer, there is a lot of confusion for guys as summarised by wayne.....

Men just can't win it seems. If the man takes charge and seizes power in the bedroom then he is a rapist, and if he doesn't and let's the woman be in control they gonna find that a turn off/think he isn't into it as much/is a wimp and so on.

Mme Chaucer you have to agree that there are plenty of women, even on these forums, who will state explicitly that they prefer men who take the lead and some women even talk about preferring a dominant man in the bedroom.

I'm pretty much the ****ing respectful, considerate, bloody idiot really (to everyone regardless) and well, I'm not the one getting anything either. Male dominant guys who strut their **** are the ones getting laid or getting girlfriends and keeping them happy in the bedroom. Green's manner of speech may not be seemingly conventional sexual protocol, but guys who think and act like Green are NOT the ones sitting on this forum whinging and whining about not getting any, even though we are the apparent 'gentleman'.

I might mention here as well, that if my post sounds bitter or similar, yeh it is, but I'm annoyed at myself, I should be more like him.

Men just can't win it seems. If the man takes charge and seizes power in the bedroom then he is a rapist, and if he doesn't and let's the woman be in control they gonna find that a turn off/think he isn't into it as much/is a wimp and so on.

Right on the money. And they say us men are the ones with emotional issues.

This is actualy the one way I will agree that the average woman has it easier. Seriously whats with women an labeling us a rapist/creeps ect. A rapist is a rapist... not a guy who said someting you don't agree with or find perverse.

That's not how I read it. Green doesn't use a filter sometimes, but, I do not think he was trying to advocate that a man go up to a complete stranger and tell her and/or force her to lick his ba*ls in the context of "rape".

A rapist is a rapist. They look and act like the rest of us sometimes... but its not what you say or do.

I shouldn't have to put a disclaimer after "make her lick your balls" saying "but only if she consensualy agrees" no duh... seriously if some guy is a rapist his thing might be sticking knives in girls vaginas or it might be just plain old fashioned misionary... what the F has it got to do with me.

This is how the average man has it harder, it seems to be ok for a select group of women to label men CREEP or "sounds like a rapist" geez... seriously if I heard some guy calling a bunch of girls SLUTS or Bichs it would be offensive. But it seems perfectly ok these days for women to talk about men in public and call them CREEPS because of something they said... ect.

Seriously I could care less if you think I sound like a rapist because I like to fck and when I do I like to really enjoy myself. And if I say something like "enjoy pulling her panites off" I don't need you to construe that as "against her will" same with "make her suck your balls" seriously if some one on here said "make him take out the trash" would we all be up in arms and think you were doing it under threat of force no.... but since its with sex you think I need to sensor myself or sound like a rapist.

You dont have to even say anyhting wrong these days just being an ugly Man can get you called creepy if you approach women

You dont have to even say anyhting wrong these days just being an ugly Man can get you called creepy if you approach women

see this all gets to the heart of the matter. The average women doesn't know rejection like the average man does.

Just standing some where can get you called a creep. Just looking at some one.

Seriosly I get called a rapist for trying to motivate the guys in this thread. then shes like "I didn't call you a rapist a merely said you sounded like one" like that makes it ok.

Basicly, men still have it better, because if you are a men you should still see the good and advantages in being one. Feeling sorry for the fact that women think its ok to place such negative labels and reject in such a hurtful way is pointles. I've been called creep many times, and I didn't let that stop me from dating some of the most beautiful women I've ever seen. So just realize that if being a man is "harder" in your view then it also means its worth more.

now I waill put in a disclaimer "being a woman can also be hard just in different ways and in those different ways its worth it" But I'm a man and glad to be one.