A woman's non physical attractive traits.

Ok, a few questions on that note:

 

-You say you often date 2 women at a time, when you do have sex with them have you had the exclusivity talk? Or do they at least know that you are seeing other women so they know what they're getting into?

 

I'm hardly ever in a situation where the exclusivity talk comes up, I haven't slept with a lot of women. I won't say, the actual number, but I'm not someone who goes around dating just to get into a woman's underpants, though that is one of many reasons I date. I date casually to find someone who is genuinely interested in ME.

 

-Is her orgasm important to you?

 

Of course it is, it is important that when two people have sex both enjoy sex. When I have sex with a woman I like to make sure she enjoys it as much as I do. I'm a passionate man in whatever I'm interested in and I'm deeply passionate about sex.

 

 

-Is it offputting to you if a woman takes control in the bedroom?

 

I like to dominate in the bedroom, I don't expect a woman lay their like a flander fish.

 

-Otherwise, what is your definition of embracing masculinity?

 

It's hard for to me explain this to a woman because you assumed my embracing of sexuality was purely about sex which it wasn't.

 

-Does feminine = submissive?

"having qualities traditionally ascribed to women, as sensitivity or gentleness."

That's exactly the problem Sassy.

 

I'm going to tell you right now that it's going to be very hard for you to change this, because it will require you to alter what your attracted to.

 

Realize now that any guy who starts to have feelings for you and treats you well is going to seem... less attractive.

I wouldn't say that it's so much that I'm attracted to them that up untill this point I haven't known how to say no. And looking back on my past relationships, the vast majority of them started when the man came along, approached me, he seemed decent, and I didn't say no. Which is another unfortunate by-product of society's tendancy to automatically put the man in the driver's seat.

Unfortunately, it's something even us "femi-nazis" have to be aware of for it to not get the best of us.

And the world would be a much better place if more men took on these so-called feminine qualities of sensitivity and gentleness.

What I witness on the other hand is a lot of apathy and bossiness.

I think your full of crap. Very few families can afford to have only one parent work. And just because one works or earns more does not mean that person gets to come home and declare themselve's done for the day and leave the other parent to cook, clean and ride herd on the kids.

 

Are you really asserting that you wouldn't let your wife work? Are you really asserting that she can't earn more than you do?

 

really?

 

Your attitudes are abotu 40 years out of date and offensive.

 

I don't tend to nag my partners. I am self supporting and intend to stay that way. I may marry a guy who makes twice what I make, but you know what, I may divorce him later. I appreciate the people in my life for who and what they are. I admire men for their character or their humor or their patience or their ability to make me smile. I expect the same admiration.

 

you seem to want a servant to push around.

A woman can work, just not when she is raising a family. If me and my wife are both working and she suddenly gives birth to twins, who is going to raise them if we are both working? When children start school is when a woman can return to work. I've never said that a woman should stay at home and never work. I'm not that draconian lol.

Also, I am also able to do my fair share of household domestics, like washing the dishes while she dries up etc. I have never said I want a servant lol. I want a woman and unfortunately there isn't many of those around today. They have vagina's but I wouldn't call them women, I'd call them Females lol.

A woman can work, just not when she is raising a family. If me and my wife are both working and she suddenly gives birth to twins, who is going to raise them if we are both working? When children start school is when a woman can return to work. I've never said that a woman should stay at home and never work. I'm not that draconian lol.

 

Also, I am also able to do my fair share of household domestics, like washing the dishes while she dries up etc. I have never said I want a servant lol. I want a woman and unfortunately there isn't many of those around today. They have vagina's but I wouldn't call them women, I'd call them Females lol.

did you know that you have ALMOST a YEAR to figure out child care from conception to birth? lost of people manage to raise kids with working parents. (uhm like me . . . . but wait, I'm not a woman right?)

Why don't you quit your job and put your career on hold?

And the world would be a much better place if more men took on these so-called feminine qualities of sensitivity and gentleness.

 

What I witness on the other hand is a lot of apathy and bossiness.

Men are already far too feminine. Men are supposed to be like Spartans, not like Florence bloody Nightingale. Christ on a Unicycle. From me a woman won't get bossiness or apathy. She'll get a passionate man, but one who will be doing the leading from start to finish. When women start asking men for their numbers and when women start arranging that first date is when women can say "we'll take charge". If a woman expects me to arrange our dates then expects me to relinquish my position to her when I'm committed then she is in for a rude awakening, because I'll bolt.

I can remember when I was a nice guy, doing everything to appease women. I remember my first ever girlfriend, she dumped me after eight months together. Her reasons were "I wasn't enough of a challenge for her, I wasn't sexual enough, I wasn't a leader and I wasn't stimulating for her". It crushed me to hear that, but she was right, I wasn't being a man. I was being the nice guy that women say they want, but never touch and if they do, they soon get rid and go for someone more manly! I was her emotional tampon to be used and discarded when she saw fit.

You see I used to listen to what a woman says, but then I learnt it is best to judge a woman on her actions, not her words.

A woman can work, just not when she is raising a family. If me and my wife are both working and she suddenly gives birth to twins, who is going to raise them if we are both working? When children start school is when a woman can return to work. I've never said that a woman should stay at home and never work. I'm not that draconian lol.

 

Also, I am also able to do my fair share of household domestics, like washing the dishes while she dries up etc. I have never said I want a servant lol. I want a woman and unfortunately there isn't many of those around today. They have vagina's but I wouldn't call them women, I'd call them Females lol.

And why should it be the woman who quits work? I am about to be an accountant, and in line to make some seriously good money, and I would be doing a disservice to my family if I quit my job just because I'm the woman. That's what daycare was created for.

Seriously, is your vision of the submissive woman what you want your daughters to grow up to be?

Men are already far too feminine. Men are supposed to be like Spartans, not like Florence bloody Nightingale. Christ on a Unicycle. From me a woman won't get bossiness or apathy. She'll get a passionate man, but one who will be doing the leading from start to finish. When women start asking men for their numbers and when women start arranging that first date is when women can say "we'll take charge". If a woman expects me to arrange our dates then expects me to relinquish my position to her when I'm committed then she is in for a rude awakening, because I'll bolt.

 

I can remember when I was a nice guy, doing everything to appease women. I remember my first ever girlfriend, she dumped me after eight months together. Her reasons were "I wasn't enough of a challenge for her, I wasn't sexual enough, I wasn't a leader and I wasn't stimulating for her". It crushed me to hear that, but she was right, I wasn't being a man. I was being the nice guy that women say they want, but never touch and if they do, they soon get rid and go for someone more manly! I was her emotional tampon to be used and discarded when she saw fit.

 

You see I used to listen to what a woman says, but then I learnt it is best to judge a woman on her actions, not her words.

That woman who dumped you was probably one of the less empowered ones looking for daddy and not for a partner. Don't judge all women by that.

And saying she won't get bossiness but she'll get a man who "leads from start to finish"? You just completely contradicted yourself there.

 

Why don't you quit your job and put your career on hold?

Because I've signed into a binding contract that I cannot break. And anyway, a woman carries a baby around for nine months, so she should be at home for the first few years of its life looking after it. I would always be willing to come home and look after the child in the evenings so she can go out and catch up with friends or see family and on weekends I could take her for a nice break and leave the child/children with the grandparents.

My father stayed at home to raise one of his children and do you know what I thought of him? I thought "You weak, pathetic individual". Don't get me wrong I have never respected or liked my father for what he did to my mother, but never in a million years did I think he would totally repluse me by virtually becoming a woman trapped in a man's body".

Because I've signed into a binding contract that I cannot break. And anyway, a woman carries a baby around for nine months, so she should be at home for the first few years of its life looking after it. I would always be willing to come home and look after the child in the evenings so she can go out and catch up with friends or see family and on weekends I could take her for a nice break and leave the child/children with the grandparents.

 

My father stayed at home to raise one of his children and do you know what I thought of him? I thought "You weak, pathetic individual". Don't get me wrong I have never respected or liked my father for what he did to my mother, but never in a million years did I think he would totally repluse me by virtually becoming a woman trapped in a man's body".

wow, your attitude is the reason mother's used to wish for sons. Because thier daughters wouldn't grow up to be happy.

I wouldn't say that it's so much that I'm attracted to them that up untill this point I haven't known how to say no. And looking back on my past relationships, the vast majority of them started when the man came along, approached me, he seemed decent, and I didn't say no. Which is another unfortunate by-product of society's tendancy to automatically put the man in the driver's seat.

Unfortunately, it's something even us "femi-nazis" have to be aware of for it to not get the best of us.

Maybe. I really think that if a decent guy approached you it would not take long before you found some way to drive him off.

I'm sorry to say this but I've been plenty of women with the same issues. I stay away from them because even if I can convince her to date me... it won't take but a few years before she is dumping/cheating. Bottom line is that I just can't be that attractive to that type of woman.

And the world would be a much better place if more men took on these so-called feminine qualities of sensitivity and gentleness.

What I witness on the other hand is a lot of apathy and bossiness.

Again... your attitude is tainted by the type of men you go for. You may think that's just what comes your way... but as Paddington Bear mentioned to you in another thread... you attract what your attracted to.

And anyway, a woman carries a baby around for nine months, so she should be at home for the first few years of its life looking after it.

That is the stupidist reason I can think of. Sure, I'm the one who carries the child in me. But if mother nature didn't intend for me to be successful in my career, then I wouldn't be the top performer in my accounting classes!

 

And saying she won't get bossiness but she'll get a man who "leads from start to finish"? You just completely contradicted yourself there.

The girl that dumped me gained my respect. I saw her about a year after breaking up and I actually thanked her for pointing out my old, embarrassing ways. I will always be grateful to her, always! It is because of her, I manned up otherwise I could be going through life trying to please everyone else except myself. It is because of her that I no longer put women on pedestals.

A woman can always challenge what I say or do, she wont' get punished for doing so, but in a relationship when there are things that need to be done, I'll do them, when there are things that need to be said I'll say them. I've always been like that and I always will be, I'm a natural leader like every man should be.

If you don't like it, there are plenty of submissive men about that want a woman to be in charge of him. They aren't hard to find.

Maybe. I really think that if a decent guy approached you it would not take long before you found some way to drive him off.

 

I'm sorry to say this but I've been plenty of women with the same issues. I stay away from them because even if I can convince her to date me... it won't take but a few years before she is dumping/cheating. Bottom line is that I just can't be that attractive to that type of woman.

 

Again... your attitude is tainted by the type of men you go for. You may think that's just what comes your way... but as Paddington Bear mentioned to you in another thread... you attract what your attracted to.

Actually, this thread is giving me a very good reminder of why I'm single and becoming very quickly at peace with it all. Most (not all, most) men clearly just want to be with an idiot who sits back, does as they're told, shuts up, and looks good. And I am so thankful that I have not sold myself out to that!

Besides, I saw way too much of that in my own family, and that is exactly how woman get exploited.

That is the stupidist reason I can think of. Sure, I'm the one who carries the child in me. But if mother nature didn't intend for me to be successful in my career, then I wouldn't be the top performer in my accounting classes!

Mother nature didn't intend for you to sit in the CEO office of Microsoft. Mother nature intended you to rear children. The world you see is man made and the world I see is that of mother nature.

I accept that as humans we are still animals, many will disagree with me and will say humans are more advanced, but I would have to disagree.

The girl that dumped me gained my respect. I saw her about a year after breaking up and I actually thanked her for pointing out my old, embarrassing ways. I will always be grateful to her, always! It is because of her, I manned up otherwise I could be going through life trying to please everyone else except myself. It is because of her that I no longer put women on pedestals.

 

A woman can always challenge what I say or do, she wont' get punished for doing so, but in a relationship when there are things that need to be done, I'll do them, when there are things that need to be said I'll say them. I've always been like that and I always will be, I'm a natural leader like every man should be.

 

If you don't like it, there are plenty of submissive men about that want a woman to be in charge of him. They aren't hard to find.

Sheesh, how many times have I said already that I'm after a relationship that it BALANCED?????

Just come out and say it, you want a woman to be your bitch. God forbid she actually wants a relationship that actually involves (gasp!) sharing.

wow, your attitude is the reason mother's used to wish for sons. Because thier daughters wouldn't grow up to be happy.

Nonsense, a woman's happiness shouldn't be defined by a man and if it is then she is a sad act that needs to get a life, hobbies and interests.

 

Just come out and say it, you want a woman to be your bitch. God forbid she actually wants a relationship that actually involves (gasp!) sharing.

No. I want a relationship with defined roles for both partners.

I don't want a woman to slave around after me, no more than I want a woman to order me around.

Mother nature didn't intend for you to sit in the CEO office of Microsoft. Mother nature intended you to rear children. The world you see is man made and the world I see is that of mother nature.

 

I accept that as humans we are still animals, many will disagree with me and will say humans are more advanced, but I would have to disagree.

Well answer me this, if I was intended to sit back, rear children, massage your feet when you come home every night, and spread my legs, then why am I the top performer in my accounting classes? And why is my IQ in the top 1%?

A good mind is the most terrible thing to waste. Not only if women had been given educational opportunities earlier, but also people who aren't white, we probably would have found the cure for AIDS or cancer by now.

No. I want a relationship with defined roles for both partners.

 

I don't want a woman to slave around after me, no more than I want a woman to order me around.

Yeah, defined roles with the man superior to the woman. Is this the kind of life you want for your daughters, honestly?????

Yeah, defined roles with the man superior to the woman. Is this the kind of life you want for your daughters, honestly?????

Who said anything about being superior? I have never once mentioned that word in this thread.

I will always take the initiative and the lead in relationship I am in and at my workplace etc. I have always led by example. There are women like you who hate this, but there are plenty of women who want a man to lead.

You do not have to date a man, you can date a nice guy who will strive for a balance or you can date someone who will be submissive to you. There are plenty of men who strive for equality and plenty more who wish to be your slave. Look for those men.

Actually, this thread is giving me a very good reminder of why I'm single and becoming very quickly at peace with it all. Most (not all, most) men clearly just want to be with an idiot who sits back, does as they're told, shuts up, and looks good. And I am so thankful that I have not sold myself out to that!

Besides, I saw way too much of that in my own family, and that is exactly how woman get exploited.

Stop! You don't understand men.

Your father taints your overall view of men. Do you think I am like him?

Do you think I want a woman to just "shut up and look good"? Do you think I need someone to dominate and control? Do you think I am that small of a man?

Who said anything about being superior? I have never once mentioned that word in this thread.

 

I will always take the initiative and the lead in relationship I am in and at my workplace etc. I have always led by example. There are women like you who hate this, but there are plenty of women who want a man to lead.

 

You do not have to date a man, you can date a nice guy who will strive for a balance or you can date someone who will be submissive to you. There are plenty of men who strive for equality and plenty more who wish to be your slave. Look for those men.

Well I never said anything once in this thread about me being superior to the man, or implied it, or thought it, so please don't think for a split second that that is what I'm about.

Also, you leading = you being superior. And you keep harping on about "clearly defined roles". Sadly, so many girls have been brainwashed to believe that in order to get a man, they have to be second best to him. And then they end up miserable as a result.

Besides wondering if you're going to raise your daughters to think they're second best, I also wonder now if you treat your female collegues like this.

Stop! You don't understand men.

 

Your father taints your overall view of men. Do you think I am like him?

 

Do you think I want a woman to just "shut up and look good"? Do you think I need someone to dominate and control? Do you think I am that small of a man?

Hey, I did say most!

But seriously, there are many more women out there who are looking for an equal partnership than there are men out there looking for an equal partnership. Which puts women like me at a disadvantage when it comes to dating.

And I'm glad you're not someone who's looking for a bitch.

Well I never said anything once in this thread about me being superior to the man, or implied it, or thought it, so please don't think for a split second that that is what I'm about.

 

Also, you leading = you being superior. And you keep harping on about "clearly defined roles". Sadly, so many girls have been brainwashed to believe that in order to get a man, they have to be second best to him. And then they end up miserable as a result.

 

Besides wondering if you're going to raise your daughters to think they're second best, I also wonder now if you treat your female collegues like this.

Me leading doesn't mean I'm superior.

Clearly defined roles, rules and boundaries make for a successful relationship. What do you think I'll sit back and say "It's okay honeybunch, you can grind up against another man on the dancefloor in a club, I don't mind".

A woman will never be second best to me, she'll always be an equal when we're together, we're one single unit.

Who says anything about daughters? You keep harping on about imaginary daughters.