Male Empowerment Thread

The value of something is determined by what people are willing to give/do/pay to get it. Thats all.

 

As for labeling people and determining their value that is beyond most of us. Its up to you to decide whether you want to accept their valuation or not.

 

I'd be inclined to agree, except that there's a lot of people nowadays, regardless of which category, who believe that they are entitled to some degree of respect simply by virtue of belonging to said category. If a woman is excessively promiscuous, being a woman and insisting that there should be some vague notion of "respect for women" does not entitle her to be immune from insults and criticisms from others. The same goes for men.

Prime example of what happens when a woman gets with a nice guy?

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t227560/

 

There's nothing in that post that assumes this guy is a "nice guy." She has a normal, routine life, but that doesn't mean the guy can't be a complete prick too. That doesn't justify her cheating, it simply means that this isn't a clear-cut example of doormat, errr, nice-guy syndrome.

Prime example of what happens when a woman gets with a nice guy?

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t227560/

 

It sounds like the woman is a headache. Clearly her devotion is not totally towards her man. That doesn't mean this is the case with all women who are with nice guys. It's the woman who has issues. And she is cheating on her own free will. A nice guy can't make anyone cheat.

Another wonderful thread.

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?t=227491

 

Do you still have to ask why I mistrust the opposite sex so much?

Do you still have to ask why I mistrust the opposite sex so much?

 

For every thread that you post showcasing women being untrustworthy, I could pull up a similar thread showcasing men being total dogs. I am not sure what your point is. Cheaters come in both sexes.

Funny AD, I never said you hated women, you're the one that keeps bringing that up. All I said was I knew all I needed to know given the fact that you can refer to women as "cum despensers". As if a woman's only worth is for her ability to take sperm.

 

Ask any women who knows me what type of guy they think iam..

 

Have you used that term infront of these women or do you save that talk for the message board where you can hide behind it? I bet you never uttered those words to any woman in real life who's respect you wanted. Don't sit there and call women "cum despensers" and expect them to have a high opinion of you.

 

The word might be graphic but was used to describe how a women is used by certain dirtbag Men..

 

No, it's used to put women do. Period. YOu don't use that word unless you want to put women down. And calling "certain" men "dirtbag" doesn't even begin to equal calling women a "cum despenser". I am really just completely horrified.

 

 

He was making a point. That is how the players women find irresistable view women. Simply stating that does not mean that he hates women.

 

He was more then making his point. You can make your point witout being completely degrading and dehumanizing. If any woman called a man a name close to the implications of what "cum despenser" meant, you wouldn't even be saying this so spare me. And you disgust me by defending it.

 

 

I have to agree with Jersey Shortie and I am a guy. Its very offensive.

 

Thank you Tincanman.

 

I can't think of a term more hurtful and degrading then calling a woman a cum despenser. And some of you don't even bat an eye about the reference but are sure up in arms about what a "nice guy" you are not getting laid. What a joke.

I have used the term "cum dumpster" in casual conversation and have never had a woman jump up in arms over it, nor did I ever lose any of them as acquaintances. Context is important here.

Even 5 year old girls will complain that they are fat and worry about their bodies. That's not a message their parents sent them. It's a message they got from the media.

This is just another opportunity for parents to lay the ground work towards developing a child with healthy self-esteem. This is a message that can easily be addressed, and in a manner that has a long-term positive influence on the child.

 

Also, I think the issue steams from teaching boys one thing and girls another. We teach boys that it's okay to judge girls by their looks, that it's natural. Which it is. But then we tell girls that they shouldn't judge themselves on their looks while they see their father or brothers or other boys do just that.

To look and to want to be looked at comes naturally to the sexes. Neither is taught, but both sexes should be, and many are, taught to value more than just looks. It is not anywhere near as one-sided as you paint.

 

So yes, I strongly stress all parents to build their child's confidences. But also teach your son's what to truly value in women. And vice versa.

Again, it all starts from within and then transmits outward. Value the role(s) you play and they/you will be valued.

 

When those kids hit their teenagers years, research shows that their opinion of them takes a remarkable drop. So you could spend all your time building up their confidence when they are young but you aren't completely going to bypass what society tells them. Especially at that age when you want to fit in and be accepted and you want boys to like you.

Nothing is foolproof, but if you're brought up to value yourself, then this will hold you in far better stead than trying to get other people to value you.

 

 

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It would only make sense that a thread intended to help empower men would devolve into a debate involving cum receptacles.

I have used the term "cum dumpster" in casual conversation and have never had a woman jump up in arms over it, nor did I ever lose any of them as acquaintances. Context is important here.

 

Cum dumpster makes more sense than cum dispenser for a woman anyway.

Where are these women you speak of that actually lik good guys?

 

They are everywhere (except in your world)

 

If those of type of women did not exist I would be as miserable as you.

Where are these women you speak of that actually lik good guys?

 

We exist but tend to be invisible, unless we say something. Or it feels that way sometimes.

 

To stay on topic, I will admit sometimes men do have to put up with less than stellar traits in women, and vice versa. Honestly though I personally don't think its cool for a guy to act like a jerk, and have yet to be attracted to any guy that is like that. Though I don't equate strongly opinionated with being a jerk btw. I guess these are pretty prominent issues that men are facing today in the dating world.

It would only make sense that a thread intended to help empower men would devolve into a debate involving cum receptacles.

 

This disappoints me.

We exist but tend to be invisible, unless we say something. Or it feels that way sometimes.

 

To stay on topic, I will admit sometimes men do have to put up with less than stellar traits in women, and vice versa. Honestly though I personally don't think its cool for a guy to act like a jerk, and have yet to be attracted to any guy that is like that. Though I don't equate strongly opinionated with being a jerk btw. I guess these are pretty prominent issues that men are facing today in the dating world.

 

Definitely, and there are tons of more issues outside of dating.

 

They just don't come to surface a lot of the time, and we tend to suck it up. Lest, we come across as a whiny baby. Glad to see you agree.

This disappoints me.

 

But not altogether unexpected, right?

I like the post about women s low self esteem. That is definitely a big problem. All I know is that treating women with respect and having my **** together has gotten me nowhere. I have been left several times for druggie "player" types. Just because I don't go out and get hammered every weekend I'm considered boring. To all the girls out there that chase these guys I dont really care anymore. While you are old and lonely I will be counting these stacks of cash. HAHA

Though I don't equate strongly opinionated with being a jerk btw. I guess these are pretty prominent issues that men are facing today in the dating world.

 

One issue that was slightly touched upon on this thread, but not fully realized, was the whole "men-are-encouraged-to-be-a-certain-way-in-society" vs. "men-want-to-be-another-way-in-relationships" dichotomy. I find that discussion to have potential. It might shed light on why a lot of men seem to be really unhappy with their love lives.

Not totally true AO. While I agree the development of self-esteem development starts young, and parents and mentors play a strong role in that, you can't completely negate the external factors that children will absorb. Even 5 year old girls will complain that they are fat and worry about their bodies. That's not a message their parents sent them. It's a message they got from the media.

 

Now of course, a parent should do their best to counter that. But Miley Ray Cyrus and company are still going to be a strong influence. Also, I think the issue steams from teaching boys one thing and girls another. We teach boys that it's okay to judge girls by their looks, that it's natural. Which it is. But then we tell girls that they shouldn't judge themselves on their looks while they see their father or brothers or other boys do just that.

 

You can't teach one gender that they shouldn't worry about their looks while you teach the other that it's natural that they judge the other on their looks. Do men pat each other on the back for getting a sweet girl with the heart of gold? Or do they pat each other on the back for getting the hot girl with the nice boobs? I think the issue we run into is we tell men it's okay to judge women by their looks but we expect women not to do the same about their own looks. We tell men it's okay to undulge in media that puts a standard and stress on women's looks but we tell women they need to be the ones that over look it, while the men can be the ones to indugle it. That's unrealistic and hypocritical.

 

So yes, I strongly stress all parents to build their child's confidences. But also teach your son's what to truly value in women. And vice versa.

 

When those kids hit their teenagers years, research shows that their opinion of them takes a remarkable drop. So you could spend all your time building up their confidence when they are young but you aren't completely going to bypass what society tells them. Especially at that age when you want to fit in and be accepted and you want boys to like you.

 

I'd rather be a girl than be a guy. Guys can't use being ugly as excuse for not getting dates. If a girl don't like me then it must be that my personality sucks. Whereas girls already have a caste system based on their looks so it's pretty easy to know who'll get the top guys.

 

Regardless, girls have to work much less.

Another wonderful thread.

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?t=227491

 

Do you still have to ask why I mistrust the opposite sex so much?

 

Stop whining Men did that to women for years now were getting revenge doing the same things

 

Marrying the average or ugly loser so he can give us stability and kids and have the hot guys turn us inside out in the bedroom on the side

 

Have a plaesant day fellas:cool:

Stop whining Men did that to women for years now were getting revenge doing the same things

 

Marrying the average or ugly loser so he can give us stability and kids and have the hot guys turn us inside out in the bedroom on the side

 

Have a plaesant day fellas:cool:

 

Thank you for being the first woman to honestly say how she feels. You are the first one on this board who will come right out and say it. I actually respect you for your honesty.

I like the post about women s low self esteem. That is definitely a big problem. All I know is that treating women with respect and having my **** together has gotten me nowhere. I have been left several times for druggie "player" types. Just because I don't go out and get hammered every weekend I'm considered boring. To all the girls out there that chase these guys I dont really care anymore. While you are old and lonely I will be counting these stacks of cash. HAHA

 

I like to have my fun and I have my indulgences but I have control of my life which is more than you can say for many people. A player should always have his life in order.

TheBigQuestion:

I have used the term "cum dumpster" in casual conversation and have never had a woman jump up in arms over it, nor did I ever lose any of them as acquaintances. Context is important here.

 

Please Big Question, don't sit there and act like it's not a completely disrespectful term. Context is important only when the men get sit here and completely humilate women by calling them "cum dumpsters". If any woman here used an equally ugly term...lets take the word "pedo" and applied it around, you and the other men would be having a hissy fit about how much women dislike you. Any guy want to know why women dislike you and you can't get dates while you use terms like "cum dumpster", it isn't because your a nice guy or certainly a good man.

 

 

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It would only make sense that a thread intended to help empower men would devolve into a debate involving cum recepetical

 

I thought the same exact thing. I guess empowering men is all about putting women down.

 

Where do these terms even come from? Can someone answer me that? These are incredily hurtful terms. Completely degrading. Any man that uses them doesn't care about women at all.

This is just another opportunity for parents to lay the ground work towards developing a child with healthy self-esteem. This is a message that can easily be addressed, and in a manner that has a long-term positive influence on the child.

 

Never said parents shouldn't help their children have healthy self-esteem. You make it sound like an easy fix. If it was, so many women and girls wouldn't suffer from it. You also completely ignore my orginal message about the messages society send both women and men that whether you want to admit it or not, will affect people.

 

To look and to want to be looked at comes naturally to the sexes. Neither is taught, but both sexes should be, and many are, taught to value more than just looks. It is not anywhere near as one-sided as you paint.

 

Never said that wanting to look or be looked at wasn't natural. However, we have a standard where we expect women to excude confidence in the face of so many negative messages and we tell men that it's okay for them to buy into the same exact messages. Basically you want women to take on the burden of everything and be far better and above men that they practice self control and self esttem by ignoring media messages all the while condoning it as okay for men to buy into these same messages and indulge in them . Especially since you are a big fan of porn. Sorry, it doesn't work like that no matter how much you want to laminate otherwise.

 

Again, it all starts from within and then transmits outward. Value the role(s) you play and they/yo

 

LOL. You keep acting like you are telling something new. Of course it matters what values and role you play. However, men have a double standard about sex and sexuality. They tell their sons ' you go get um tiger" and they tell their daughters " wait until a man respects you". If you give your sons the message that it's okay to indulge anything they feel sexually, your daughter will be waiting a LONG time before she finds a man that respects her.

 

Nothing is foolproof, but if you're brought up to value yourself, then this will hold you in far better stead than trying to get other people to value you.

I think you need to do some more reading on adolecents and what kids go through.

 

Sure your warm cozy words are pc and nice but they aren't reality.

Stop whining Men did that to women for years now were getting revenge doing the same things

 

Marrying the average or ugly loser so he can give us stability and kids and have the hot guys turn us inside out in the bedroom on the side

 

Have a plaesant day fellas:cool:

 

Women have always done it too, don't be naive.

All I know is that treating women with respect and having my **** together has gotten me nowhere.

In all likelihood, you probably choose a low self-esteem type. Now, these types barely have respect for themselves. They find it hard to near impossible to appreciate being respected. Its a foreign concept to them, hence they seek out or are far more comfortable with the druggie "player" types who tend to treat them in a manner that they identify with.

 

Just because I don't go out and get hammered every weekend I'm considered boring.

Another problem with low self-esteem types is their heavy reliance on others to keep them happy and entertained. Your average person won't be able to keep them happy for long (and neither should they bother trying to either!)

 

To all the girls out there that chase these guys I dont really care anymore. While you are old and lonely I will be counting these stacks of cash. HAHA

Bottom line is, you should be happy that these types have passed you by as they will more than likely suck the life out of those they choose to get close to.

 

 

 

 

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