Distant78 Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Talk about STEREOTYPE! Hypocrite I'm sure you are one, as is every human being in this world, so it's a moot point. Okay. Instead of negative degree weather how about you give birth to a 10 lb baby out of your a**hole. Hows that? Your child came out of your azz?:lmao: Were we even discussing babies?
Surrealist Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 LAUNCH!!!!! For goodness sakes, any guy who doesn't know how to use 'tools' needs to be LAUNCHED! Now... LAUNCH!!!!
Distant78 Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Also we in general have a more educated society. A lot of the men in business with college degrees aren't into the handyman thing. Now I'm not saying AT ALL that there aren't college-educated guys out there who aren't handymen...however, in the big cities it is very likely you are finding white collar professionals being the ones who are not changing tires and doing the handyman thing around the house, complete with the workshop in the garage, etc. Heck many men are paying to have their lawns mowed, do you think they are changing tires? And again, I am not being judgy, it's just how it is. A guy who works 60 plus hours a week in the rat race isn't often wanting to spend his free time in the handyman's workshop or caulking the tub, or learning how to change the tire. Sorry but that is life. Agreed 100%.
sam light Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 I can do some of the old manly stuff....I can change a tire, twirl a screwdriver, and saw lumber. I can do limited electrical wiring. Jumping starting cars is a skill for losers that drive wrecks that need jumps every week. I've never needed a jump and don't carry cables. A few times a loser has asked me for a jump, I tell them I've never done it B4, so they'll have to hook it up. I especially hate losers who claim my newer (than their car) car is a waste of money, then they ask me for a jump. I've changed a couple of tires for others, but if you use good tires for reasonable miles, you're unlikely to get a flat. The AAA (or similar) is a low cost way of dealing with these situations. I can a change a tire, but I'm not a loser, I have coverage so someone else can do it, if it happens.I state very clearly that a professional earning money to change tires is a worker, not a loser. I've done some plumbing and electrical, but am not adverse to hiring people for the job. Women who want full equality in all things (as well they should), shouldn't wash their hands of such tasks. Much of it does not require brawn. Modern man has as much reason as modern women to know/not know these things.
paddington bear Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 But I also think a lot of it comes down to single women with children and the media and their portrayal of female celebrities raising children without a man. Who needs a man in the house, right? I'm female, raised by a single mother. Also college graduate...but due to no man in the house, I became the one who changes the tyres and did the repairs around the house...I mean, someone's got to do it. So, I'm not sure if your assessment is totally true. Wasn't for me anyway, and I'm a girl! Things like changing tyres, jump-starting a car battery etc. women should know how to do. It's not rocket science and really saves you panicking when it happens - I've gotten flat tyres down back roads in the middle of nowhere. Easier to change them myself than wait hours for some passing male motorist. Now, having said all that. Because I've been pushed into the handyman role and 'cause I like tinkerting with stuff too, I personally would find it weird to go out with someone whose mind didn't work that way, or couldn't do that stuff. So, I kind of adore when men do do all that (particularly when they teach me new things too lol), because it makes me feel girly for once
shayan Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 My dad is a mechanic and has been almost his entire life, so I know how to do work on cars and I prefer to know how to do physical things I guess I do identify with the old fashioned man should be strong idea. But seriously guys being able to jumpstart a car doesn't define you as a man. You having a penis does, it's 2010 we don't live in rustic times where gender has to fit a particular bill. Just as woman are breaking out of there roles men should be free to do the same as well. I say be yourself if you prefer to have your mechanic do the work, then so be it. It doesn't mean you're a pussy. Seriously... Ach ja.
denise_xo Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 First off let me say I am not one of those guys. My family were master carpenters and masons from Europe. I know how to do it all. This realization started when my neighbor had a flat tire and I had to go over and change the tire for him because he did not know how to do it. As a matter of fact he did not even know how to hold a screwdriver nor use the lug wrench. I am coming to find out that there are LOTS of men like this. I am pretty surprised. They dont like fiddling with things and frankly wont even do basic things like changing a faucet washer. What do women think of men that are like this? Is it generally viewed in a negative way? I'm indifferent to it. My H doesn't know how to use a lawn mower. I'm not handy or practical myself and don't expect a man to be so by default - I doubt the skills are genetic.
january2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 What do women think of men that are like this? Is it generally viewed in a negative way? Someone who is resourceful and has practical skills, even if they are only passable, is very attractive. So, yes, I'm likely to view him negatively if he doesn't at least search for an online "how to" guide and work through the instructions. I wouldn't rule out doing things like that myself if there were no physical limitation issues but he wouldn't earn any 'brownie points' if that happened.
PegNosePete Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 A long time ago I went on a family holiday to Greece, I was about 12. We rented a car and got a flat. So my dad got out the jack but it was broken. A group of Greek lads passing by saw our distress. 4 of them lifted the back end of the car, while the 5th whipped the flat off and the spare on. They wouldn't even accept a tip, they just did it as a favour (and maybe to impress any onlooking girls!). I always thought that is how I'd like to be when I grew up. I do think a lot of women secretly love a man to be practical, even if they won't admit it... just as men like a woman who can fix a hole in his shirt. No generalizations of course, everyone is different. But I think it's more common than people would ever let on. We're just wired that way, IMO.
musemaj11 Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 (edited) So I take it every single woman on this thread is a great cook, a great housekeeper and knows how to knit and sew? A real woman knows how to do all those things. Edited December 31, 2010 by musemaj11
january2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 So I take it every single woman on this thread is a great cook, a great housekeeper and knows how to knit and sew? A real woman knows how to do all those things. I'll bite. I'm passable in all four and since that's the level that I'm happy to accept in an SO's practical skills, I think that's equitable. /hijack
musemaj11 Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 I'll bite. I'm passable in all four and since that's the level that I'm happy to accept in an SO's practical skills, I think that's equitable. /hijack Then unfortunately I have to let you know that you are not a real woman according to the logic of other women in this forum. IMO, a real man knows how to change a tire and how to use tools, and knows his way around the grill. Im curious what do you think a real woman should know on the other hand?
PegNosePete Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Im curious what do you think a real woman should know on the other hand? How to get from the kitchen to the bedroom :D:D
january2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Then unfortunately I have to let you know that you are not a real woman according to the logic of other women in this forum. Okay I'm not sure what I should do with that newfound knowledge.
musemaj11 Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 (edited) Personally I cant wait for the Old Guards from the Generation X and above to die out so the new generations can have an easier time moving the world forward. For me the difference between a man and a woman stops at the genital. A man is no less of a man if he can cook better than he can fix things and a woman is no less of a woman if she can fix things better than she can cook. Edited December 31, 2010 by musemaj11
Woggle Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 If there is a possibility that your wife looks at you like this then I feel sorry for you. If she is your wife, if she married you, and if she is spending her life with you, then I very highly doubt she is doing all of that just for your muscle. She can get muscle anywhere she wants, she doesn't have to marry it just to get help changing a tire. I dunno. The way I see it, if people get married, then they help each other. All this talk of "my services" seems very childish to me. I have said already that my wife is different. She has proven her worth so therefore I will go out of my way to help her.
PerpetualMotion Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 I guess I'm half "pussified". Let's see... I know how to change a tire, use a screwdriver or a drill, fix my own computer (with and without a hammer), swear at things for no logical reason and show my butt-crack like a plumber (never had an opportunity to use this particular skill though). Don't know how to jump-start a car (and never needed to, for myself or others), I've never mowed a lawn in my entire life (how difficult can it be), never built a shed, don't know how to brew my own beer, never woke up a girlfriend by slapping her face with my cock and never head-butted someone in the chest.
Yer_Blues Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Another categorizing, splitting, overgeneralizing, bitter LS thread to generate gender wars, stereotypes, and bitterness. Can we get a sticky that categorizes every role and skill expected from a male and female in the 1950s?
Titania22 Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Personally I find a guy with great computer skills to be a big turn on, but I can't say I look for handyman skills in any partner. I get that it's useful (I currently have 2 leaky taps that need new washers), but I would rather enjoy the company of the person I'm with then have them spending hours building or fixing something around the house. Just as an aside, a few years back (when I had my last boyfriend) there was a major plumbing issue, and we could save $1000 by digging the trench ourselves. Both of us spent the time digging the trench. Obviously his digging was more effective than mine (with his natural muscles), but we both spent the time working on it together. I didn't mind that, because it was still quality time, and it was imperative to save the money.
Author tincanman99 Posted December 31, 2010 Author Posted December 31, 2010 Please, it sounds like you are making excuses. I am busy - I have a 60 hour a week job (so who doesnt today), blah, blah... Get over it. Do you really want to pay someone else to do everything? I doubt it. I have 2 college degrees, neither of which has deterred me from working with my hands. As for the woman in the city with the dead batter that no one would help her - thats because these men are metrosexual bumps on a log. This thread is not about women doing things and frankly I think its quite healthy for women to know how to do things. Why not? And I am not talking about cooking and sewing. If she knows how to use a drill, saw, put in screws, etc... thats great. Nothing wrong with that. This is about women's perceptions of men WHO CANT DO IT. As a woman friend of mine said to a guy jokingly - what good are you? You cant do anything except move your jaw justifying why you cant.
EasyHeart Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Fortunately, my sexual identity is not tied up in my ability to change a tire or fix a faucet. If I get a flat or need a jump, I'll call AAA. They'll be there in 10 minutes, have all the tools, and know exactly what to do. If my faucet leaks, I'll call a plumber. If I need an oil change, I'll take my European driving machine to the dealer. It would be idiotic for me to do things like this for myself. Why should I spend time learning how to do these things or doing them for myself when I can hire a professional to do it? My time is valuable. If I need plumbing or mechanical work done, I can spend the time I would have spent doing the plumbing or mechanical working doing an extra hour or two of real work and make several time what it costs me to hire the plumber or mechanic. The only tools I want to use are my pen, my computer keyboard and my dictaphone. Real men have clean hands.
Author tincanman99 Posted December 31, 2010 Author Posted December 31, 2010 Fortunately, my sexual identity is not tied up in my ability to change a tire or fix a faucet. If I get a flat or need a jump, I'll call AAA. They'll be there in 10 minutes, have all the tools, and know exactly what to do. If my faucet leaks, I'll call a plumber. If I need an oil change, I'll take my European driving machine to the dealer. It would be idiotic for me to do things like this for myself. Why should I spend time learning how to do these things or doing them for myself when I can hire a professional to do it? My time is valuable. If I need plumbing or mechanical work done, I can spend the time I would have spent doing the plumbing or mechanical working doing an extra hour or two of real work and make several time what it costs me to hire the plumber or mechanic. The only tools I want to use are my pen, my computer keyboard and my dictaphone. Real men have clean hands. Dude save it, you are making excuses about why you cant. I work with a keyboard as well during the day but this doesnt deter my ability to use my hands.
Yer_Blues Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Please, it sounds like you are making excuses. I am busy - I have a 60 hour a week job (so who doesnt today), blah, blah... Get over it. Do you really want to pay someone else to do everything? I doubt it. I have 2 college degrees, neither of which has deterred me from working with my hands. As for the woman in the city with the dead batter that no one would help her - thats because these men are metrosexual bumps on a log. This thread is not about women doing things and frankly I think its quite healthy for women to know how to do things. Why not? And I am not talking about cooking and sewing. If she knows how to use a drill, saw, put in screws, etc... thats great. Nothing wrong with that. This is about women's perceptions of men WHO CANT DO IT. As a woman friend of mine said to a guy jokingly - what good are you? You cant do anything except move your jaw justifying why you cant. Changing tires, jumpstarting cars, changing oil, and the basics, I may agree with you. Using a screwdriver? Not rocket science. But when it comes to being handy in a lot of other areas such as plumbing, electric, other auto repairs, craftsmanship/carpentry, I probably won't ever be very handy. It's not something where an interest came naturally, I wasn't taught, and it's not really a necessity. Is it a useful skill that could save a significant amount of money vs. paying somebody else? Yeah, and I respect people who can do these things, male or female. But it's not something I have any interest in personally.
EasyHeart Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Dude save it, you are making excuses about why you cant. I work with a keyboard as well during the day but this doesnt deter my ability to use my hands. Not "can't" -- "don't want to". While you are busy fixing some woman's car, I will take her home and show her what a real man can do with his hands . . . .
zengirl Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 So I take it every single woman on this thread is a great cook, a great housekeeper and knows how to knit and sew? A real woman knows how to do all those things. Way to counterattack . . . mostly people who aren't even attacking. Gee. Plenty of women here have said they don't give two figs if a man is a handyman. Others have said, yes, it's attractive. Maybe 1-2 max (and just as many men, if not more!) have said it's a huge issue. That said, I can knit, sew, cook, clean house efficiently, change a tire, jump a battery, fix basic things on a computer (i.e. wire the house for ethernet, replace some parts, etc), fix a toilet (generally speaking---I can replace most of the stuff in the tank; can't fix the pipes, or wouldn't try without a plumber), and do some basic electrical stuff. I guess I could mow the lawn, but I've never needed to---lawn service has been included everywhere I've ever lived. I was sent to college with a toolbox and a cooking set, and I used both, as needed. Whether I do things for myself generally depends on the time vs. money factor. I do think people should be able to do the things they need. However, paying for other people to do it -- having the money and plan available (i.e. "I can't change a tire, but I can call AAA") is fine, too. We live in a world of specialization. If a guy or woman spends all her time specializing in practicing international law 60 hours a week, I don't expect to see him/her in the garage or the kitchen much. Time is precious, too. Personally I find a guy with great computer skills to be a big turn on, but I can't say I look for handyman skills in any partner. I get that it's useful (I currently have 2 leaky taps that need new washers), but I would rather enjoy the company of the person I'm with then have them spending hours building or fixing something around the house. Yeah, I've never looked for handyman skills. I am a very curious person, so I'd look up how to fix something that was broken in my house (not saying I'd fix it, but I'd want to know what the person was going to do if I called a professional), and I respect a man who'd do the same and be smart about dealing with professionals. Something like replacing a washer actually isn't that difficult. My roommate and I learned how to do that in college, in a crappy apartment, because leaky faucets drive me crazy. (It's an environmentalist thing; I can calculate the giant water leakage in my head, and it just bugs me till I fix it.) I'm not saying I expect everyone to do it. I will say, if I were dating a guy who had a persistent household problem and did nothing --- either himself or by calling someone --- to fix it, I'd be turned off. I like people who deal with their ****. But, again, that can be by calling a plumber. Fortunately, my sexual identity is not tied up in my ability to change a tire or fix a faucet. If I get a flat or need a jump, I'll call AAA. They'll be there in 10 minutes, have all the tools, and know exactly what to do. If my faucet leaks, I'll call a plumber. If I need an oil change, I'll take my European driving machine to the dealer. It would be idiotic for me to do things like this for myself. Why should I spend time learning how to do these things or doing them for myself when I can hire a professional to do it? My time is valuable. If I need plumbing or mechanical work done, I can spend the time I would have spent doing the plumbing or mechanical working doing an extra hour or two of real work and make several time what it costs me to hire the plumber or mechanic. The only tools I want to use are my pen, my computer keyboard and my dictaphone. Real men have clean hands. Completely reasonable, though I envy you such fast AAA service! 10 minutes. . . I wish! I have it, but I did just change a tire myself last month because they quoted me over an hour.
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