JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) So, apparently reading posts from here, every woman has a graduate degree, owns their own business, makes six figures, or aspires to be a CEO of an LLC. Which is fine. But it's pretty well known that it's tough to get a woman of a higher or equal status. But I also know that not all women in the real world have all that going on. I go to buy skiwear and I see women in their 30s working non-managerial retail, women working at Barnes and Noble, hairdressers, administrative assistants, waitresses. Guys, do you find these women to be easier and less stuck up in your opinion? Edited January 9, 2013 by JuneJulySeptember
Chief Wiggum Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Hmm, not sure whether they're easier, but they're definitely a whole lot more fun.
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 Hmm, not sure whether they're easier, but they're definitely a whole lot more fun. I have found they are not much easier either. But I was curious as to other guys experiences. In fact, I have met many an average looking woman working a non-degree job who still demands the very best.
Treasa Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 So, apparently reading posts from here, every woman has a graduate degree, owns their own business, makes six figures, or aspires to be a CEO of an LLC. Which is fine. But it's pretty well known that it's tough to get a woman of a higher or equal status. But I also know that not all women in the real world have all that going on. I go to buy skiwear and I see women in their 30s working non-managerial retail, women working at Barnes and Noble, hairdressers, administrative assistants, waitresses. Guys, do you find these women to be easier and less stuck up in your opinion? Oh man. I'm working on my graduate degree, but I'm not very far into it. I don't own my own business, but I can support myself financially. My aspirations are skydiving and learning to ride a motorcycle this year. Each year I come up with new goals, you see. Does this mean I'm not as good as the rest of the women here? I'm going to go cry into my Cheerios now. LOL Sorry, I'm just in a weird mood today. And I don't even eat Cheerios.
Feelin Frisky Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Yes, especially foreign immigrants. They'll do for recreation.
Treasa Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 guys who will make the next Cisco Systems Cisco is going to be responsible for Skynet. I just know it. I'd never be able to date a guy who would have that on his conscience. 3
Chief Wiggum Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I have found they are not much easier either. But I was curious as to other guys experiences. In fact, I have met many an average looking woman working a non-degree job who still demands the very best. I feel you, my man. My current GF -- who works in retail -- is far more demanding/spoiled than my ex (who like me was a graduated pro and earning more than I did). She's less understanding when it comes to me taking time off work to see her, and more ambitious with materialistic things she expects to be given. My ex was nothing like that.
sid3 Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Does this mean I'm not as good as the rest of the women here? I'm going to go cry into my Cheerios now. LOL Sorry, I'm just in a weird mood today. And I don't even eat Cheerios. That's why most of the women in your position typically cry into their pillows. Later in life is when cats come in handy.
TheZebra Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Oh man. I'm working on my graduate degree, but I'm not very far into it. I don't own my own business, but I can support myself financially. My aspirations are skydiving and learning to ride a motorcycle this year. Each year I come up with new goals, you see. Does this mean I'm not as good as the rest of the women here? I'm going to go cry into my Cheerios now. LOL Sorry, I'm just in a weird mood today. And I don't even eat Cheerios. Oh yeah, you're not even average. Quite below. I feel so sorry for your future
lino Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 So, apparently reading posts from here, every woman has a graduate degree, owns their own business, makes six figures, or aspires to be a CEO of an LLC. Which is fine. But it's pretty well known that it's tough to get a woman of a higher or equal status. But I also know that not all women in the real world have all that going on. I go to buy skiwear and I see women in their 30s working non-managerial retail, women working at Barnes and Noble, hairdressers, administrative assistants, waitresses. Guys, do you find these women to be easier and less stuck up in your opinion? Yeah I kind of noticed that too. Interesting there are so many super educated and high earning female members on this site. I think a lot of them may actually be artists, of the bullsh*t variety To answer your question, I don't think women with 'simpler' careers are any easier to deal with. A lot of them also want very high earning and high status guys. In my experience career, income or education doesn't play a huge part in how down to earth a girl is. I don't even give a sh*t about those things anyway. A job, money or piece of paper doesn't make a person, we're born without those things. Down to earth, easy going women exist in all types of positions... The sad part is they're usually all taken straight away and are quite rare as single women. My girlfriend is a hairdresser and very down to earth but I don't think her job has anything to do with it. I've met hairdressers with horrendously stuck up attitudes as well. You can tell the opposite of that type of woman. Of course they're usually always involved with some bloke too. An ex or a f*ck buddy or something like that. They usually have a different boyfriend every year (often even more frequently) or have a string of multiple failed marriages if they're older... The ones living the 'sex and the city' lifestyle. I avoid that type at all costs. 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 "Common" women? That's a weird way to describe people. 3
Treasa Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Oh yeah, you're not even average. Quite below. I feel so sorry for your future I know, me too! Wow, my self-esteem has taken a total nose-dive. Sorry, sec, looking for my sarcasm tags..
TouchedByViolet Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I think a lot of them may actually be artists, of the bullsh*t variety Haha, I get this feeling a lot.
TheZebra Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I know, me too! Wow, my self-esteem has taken a total nose-dive. Sorry, sec, looking for my sarcasm tags.. They're right next to your Harvard mug, underneath your honor society graduation cords. Geez, woman, get your **** together. 1
Treasa Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 They're right next to your Harvard mug, underneath your honor society graduation cords. Geez, woman, get your **** together. Haha, nice. Yeah, I went to a very regular university. One of those University of (your state), (your city) places. I had a blast, though! I did graduate with honors, but just BARELY. When I had first gone to college, I took classes way too hard for me, failed three of them, and then when I went back to college I decided not to retake them, leave the F's on my transcripts, and change my major. I got mostly As, but the honors thing was by the skin of my teeth because of those damn Fs from when I was younger.
Els Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I really had no idea that having a degree made someone 'uncommon'. Many of the people working in Starbucks etc are actually doing it part time while going to college, too. Did I accidentally burst your bubble, OP? Yeah I kind of noticed that too. Interesting there are so many super educated and high earning female members on this site. The ratio of self-proclaimed 'super successful' men seems to be about equal on LS, though they are obviously fewer in numbers, due to being fewer overall. Not sure why you think that's a solely female thing. The internet in general is obviously going to be more appealing to the white-collar sort because of the inherent nature of it. That is why you're more likely to find a lawyer, grad student, or IT consultant, for example, on LS, rather than a farmer or builder. 1
TheZebra Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Haha, nice. Yeah, I went to a very regular university. One of those University of (your state), (your city) places. I had a blast, though! I did graduate with honors, but just BARELY. When I had first gone to college, I took classes way too hard for me, failed three of them, and then when I went back to college I decided not to retake them, leave the F's on my transcripts, and change my major. I got mostly As, but the honors thing was by the skin of my teeth because of those damn Fs from when I was younger. Doesn't matter how ugly it was, you got it done That's all anyone will ever see. I'm dying to go to grad school but i have to wait =/ business schools want you to have 3-5 yrs of work experience first, which is a bummer. 2
Treasa Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Grad school has been more work than I anticipated, and doing two classes per semester while working full time and doing extra-curricular stuff just didn't work for me. The classes themselves aren't hard, but I just didn't have enough time for it all without losing my freaking mind...
Els Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Even at the age I am right now, girls who don't even have bachelors degrees think that they're so good they won't even give the guys who will make the next Cisco Systems a chance. Of course no woman wants a guy she perceives as lower status and neither do most men. Still, there are a lot of men that will take a woman of "lower status" than him if she fits his physical and emotional criteria. Obviously, a lot of men value a woman on her looks. Most men don't care if she has an "awesome personality", is a "career-oriented" woman, or whatever other filler is in there. As long as she fits the physical criteria, is easy to get along with, doesn't nag, doesn't belittle him, is interesting to talk to, and manages to make him feel like an actual man, then the rest is irrelevant. You start with a base and build up from there. Most women today, especially of my generation do not have this base established and believe that men should accept them for who they are even if they are what Nietzsche calls "inverse cripples" (look it up). The result is an entitlement mentality backed up by the narcissistic social outlets of Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Significant others are no longer used as a complement to life but rather used as a leverage of status and an incessant reminder of the person's desirability. As long as the other person makes them look good, that's all that matters. All I can gather from this post is, "I'm allowed to have criteria for women but they're entitled and narcissistic because they have criteria for men too (that I can't fulfill)." Do feel free to correct me. 1
TheZebra Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I really had no idea that having a degree made someone 'uncommon'. Many of the people working in Starbucks etc are actually doing it part time while going to college, too. Did I accidentally burst your bubble, OP? With the current state of the economy, many of those Starbucks workers have already graduated. 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I am a mere common peasant woman, clothed in sackcloth, bereft of shoes and trying to eke a meagre pittance out of selling the shriveled potatoes from my stony patch of earth. I promise I would be a very low maintenance date. All I ask is that you buy my taters for a penny apiece. 3
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 I really had no idea that having a degree made someone 'uncommon'. Many of the people working in Starbucks etc are actually doing it part time while going to college, too. Did I accidentally burst your bubble, OP? The ratio of self-proclaimed 'super successful' men seems to be about equal on LS, though they are obviously fewer in numbers, due to being fewer overall. Not sure why you think that's a solely female thing. The internet in general is obviously going to be more appealing to the white-collar sort because of the inherent nature of it. That is why you're more likely to find a lawyer, grad student, or IT consultant, for example, on LS, rather than a farmer or builder. Nah. Everybody uses the internet these days. I'd be more inclined to think someone like an admin assistant would use it more because they're in front of the computer all day with less demanding workloads. I haven't heard too many men here say it. The women say it to justify going after a certain level of man. In other words, they want someone just as accomplished. 30% of Americans have a bachelors. Which means roughly 70% of women over the age of 25 do not. That is a lot.
TheZebra Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I haven't heard too many men here say it. The women say it to justify going after a certain level of man. In other words, they want someone just as accomplished. 30% of Americans have a bachelors. Which means roughly 70% of women over the age of 25 do not. That is a lot. Where'd you get those numbers from? I feel like EVERYONE and their mother is in some college nowadays; even if it's just community college. It's getting to the point where having a college degree isn't that special anymore; you have to go to grad school to have a chance to become anything. And yeah, TBH, I would prefer dating guys who have similar education/work that I do. A lot more in common. 1
Els Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Nah. Everybody uses the internet these days. I'd be more inclined to think someone like an admin assistant would use it more because they're in front of the computer all day with less demanding workloads. Admin assistants nowadays usually have degrees or at least diplomas, too. Most of the people I know in general who use the internet a lot, particularly forums, have been to college. I haven't heard too many men here say it. The women say it to justify going after a certain level of man. In other words, they want someone just as accomplished. I have heard plenty of men mention it, and I can think of at least 5 names off the top of my head. I don't think anyone needs to 'justify' what they want, either. Everyone has preferences for partners, be it looks, personality, intellect, or career - how is one worse than the other? 30% of Americans have a bachelors. Which means roughly 70% of women over the age of 25 do not. That is a lot. That number is skewed by the older generation, I would think, mostly the people above 40 or 50. I have a niggly feeling that those are not precisely the women you are after. Younger women, especially in their 20s, are more likely to have a degree than not. 1
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 Admin assistants nowadays usually have degrees or at least diplomas, too. Most of the people I know in general who use the internet a lot, particularly forums, have been to college. I have heard plenty of men mention it, and I can think of at least 5 names off the top of my head. I don't think anyone needs to 'justify' what they want, either. Everyone has preferences for partners, be it looks, personality, intellect, or career - how is one worse than the other? That number is skewed by the older generation, I would think, mostly the people above 40 or 50. I have a niggly feeling that those are not precisely the women you are after. Younger women, especially in their 20s, are more likely to have a degree than not. 31.5% of adults between the age of 25 to 34, data collected in 2011. http://www.higheredinfo.org/dbrowser/index.php?submeasure=245&year=2011&level=nation&mode=graph&state=0
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