Women have it easier than men ... final thread

[jobaba]

I'd like to address one of Somedudes posts here.

 

Wow, I just read over xpaperxcut's thread and I'm just floored about the difference between men and women.

 

People over there are talking about filters and how to limit themselves to absolutely amazing men, and over here, men are being told to go with a woman that might not be attracted to at all, and that she might grow on you.

 

Then I'm being accused of only liking a girl because she was pretty and that I didn't care about her at all. Which I've heard before from several other girls.

 

Ugh I quit. Who do I talk to get my life restarted and get born as a woman?

 

... and say that in terms of being approached, being able to get dates and having options women overwhelmingly have it easier than men. This cannot be disputed. Why not? I'll put my own life up as an example.

 

Of the last two women I have dated ...

 

-The first one and I went to bars a lot. Tons. She got hit on a lot. Sometimes when I was sitting right next to her. By decent looking guys. Of all races. Other times, guys would sidle over just to talk to her in a friendly manner. She also had stories of guys approaching her on the street.

 

-The second one didn't have men approaching her in bars because she'd never been to bars ever. Not really at least. Not a drinker. Still, she had stories of men hitting on her on the street, people she met at work or school offering to buy her expensive things and take her on trips and random guys she met wanting to date or f@ck her.

 

How many times did I get hit on (blatantly), offered sex, or offered a free donut and coffee during that period? Zero. Now I what you're all thinking. Jobaba, you're just the mack of the century and are able to pull decent looking women despite looking like the elephant man. Well, in response to that, I'll say I have a sister who everybody says looks just like me. She also has no problem getting dates and has been dating since high school.

 

Is there a point to this post? Yes, and I think it's a good one.

 

My bitter brothers ... accept the disparity in the dating world. You're not as inadequate as you think you are. It's just that every time you hit on a woman you think is in your reach, ten other guys just like you are doing it too. It is a competition, but eventually things will even out to one and one. And the way to turn things in your favor is by being more aggressive, taking your chances, stomaching rejection, and going through more numbers than the next guy.

 

Actually, I lied above. I did get hit on by a couple of gay guys during that period. That would possibly be the other route to an easier dating life.

[PithyWorld]

I'm sorry Somedude, but when life gives you lemons, you screw it in the ass and give it lemon-aids.

[Dust]

Yes women have it easier whats the point? Is life about having it easier? No! No life is not about having it easier.

 

What next is Somedude going to take offense that children have it easier?

 

Women are weaker and less horny then men. If you want to blame any one blame other men. one man will go around dating hordes of women while a guy like somedude will sit in his room and watch porn and talk about how he doesn't feel any sexual attraction to women when he's with them in person but only likes the idea of women. Somedude wants to be a girl as in have the oposite sex chase him instead of being the chaser.

 

Men for the most part are the chasers... and yes that is harder. But think of this we are toughter then women. When some one whines about it being to cold or hot... women! When some one gets creeped out or scared... women! When some one doesn't understand even the most basic of machines... women! Now I know there are a lot of somedudes out there too... but Somedude its time to claim your right as a man!

 

Go chase a woman and enjoy it. Enjoy the thrill of the hunt. For once in your life realize its not about them liking you. It's about you liking them and them liking the fact that you like them and agreeing to let you do some things that are so dirty I dare not type them here... Oh god the things she'll let you do to her. Seriously you can just make some perverted sht up and if she likes you its on. Some times I just want to here girls say sick **** so I'll be like say ______ she'll say it... and I'll be like "No like you mean it!" and it will be like ahh thats the stuff!

 

So enough of this cry baby I wish I was a girl and the oposite sex chased me around and I didn't have to try that hard and internet dating worked for me. Internet dating is not for men! Men chase women and they enjoy it. Men laugh and take pleasure in weak men because they can work for us. We don't get togather with them and throw pitty parties! Wake up those of you who are men. Wake up!

[kaylan]

Women have it easier when it comes to receiving sex. Thats about it. And thats guys faults for not having standards and being willing to sleep with almost any woman.

 

Both sexes have it hard when it comes to finding someone compatible for a relationship

[maysj18]

Women have it easier when it comes to receiving sex. Thats about it. And thats guys faults for not having standards and being willing to sleep with almost any woman.

 

Both sexes have it hard when it comes to finding someone compatible for a relationship

 

Agreed ^

Just because I get hit on, doesnt mean I have it easy. I want to be in a relationship, not be some booty call. 99.9% of the time, guys that hit on me at a bar or whistle out on the street only care about getting lucky, which is not going to happen; therefore I'm left in the same boat as you.

[Dust]

Women have it easier when it comes to receiving sex. Thats about it. And thats guys faults for not having standards and being willing to sleep with almost any woman.

 

Both sexes have it hard when it comes to finding someone compatible for a relationship

 

We really do have it harder... but as a gender we really do seem to enjoy sex more then women! More to gain, more to lose.

 

I think the thing is women have it easier finding someone compatible because they can get away with not trying as hard. If Somedude was a girl he'd have a bf no doubt. But Somedude is a man and just going out to dancing classes and school yet never making a move on any girls in all his life isn't cutting it. If somedude had been a girl and a boy had spent all that alone time "watching movies" and "playing video games" at the apartment just the two of them he would have probably made a move. Somedude rarely hangs out with girls and the few times he has he didn't so much as try to kiss the girl or hold her hand. Somedude would do good with girls if he could be confident enough to try. But girls don't even have to try is the thing.

 

But complaining and crying about it won't do any one any good. Like I said we also enjoy sex more then women! It was all good with no downside for us for most of human history... that is until child suport laws... another way we have it harder. Women have all the rights with that whether they abort, give away for adoption, or keep it and stick you with the bill. But thats life no use complaining about that. I think the alternative where a man has a say would be more unfair.

 

Look somedude and guys like him can sit back and wish they were girls because yes girls have it easier. But so do children! Be a man and take what is yours somedudes of LS. It's all in your head. If you just flip that switch and actualy chase women and enjoy it you'll get all the excitement and fun you ever wanted out of gf. Take pussy of the pedestal and stop using womens opinion of you as the worth of your life.

[kaylan]

I'd like to address one of Somedudes posts here.

 

 

 

... and say that in terms of being approached, being able to get dates and having options women overwhelmingly have it easier than men. This cannot be disputed. Why not? I'll put my own life up as an example.

 

Of the last two women I have dated ...

 

-The first one and I went to bars a lot. Tons. She got hit on a lot. Sometimes when I was sitting right next to her. By decent looking guys. Of all races. Other times, guys would sidle over just to talk to her in a friendly manner. She also had stories of guys approaching her on the street.

Thats because guys are conditioned to do the chasing in our society. However, a good looking guy, whos confident, and with his act together will have no problem noticing that girls give him signals to approach a lot of the time too.

 

Women get hit on, Men get invitations to flirt.

-The second one didn't have men approaching her in bars because she'd never been to bars ever. Not really at least. Not a drinker. Still, she had stories of men hitting on her on the street, people she met at work or school offering to buy her expensive things and take her on trips and random guys she met wanting to date or f@ck her.

So? Like I said in my first post....guys chase sex all the time. Doesnt mean thats an easy life for girls. Until youve been used for sex yourself by someone you really like, I dont think you can understand how sh!!ty of a feeling that is. Its different when its someone you are using to, but when its someone you dig...it sucks. Plus Ive dealt with girls who wanted to hook up with me because I was black and it was new to them....but theyed never date me.

 

Once that happened to me a couple times, I was kind of able to relate to women a little more. Sure options are cool, but people want to be valued.

How many times did I get hit on (blatantly), offered sex, or offered a free donut and coffee during that period? Zero. Now I what you're all thinking. Jobaba, you're just the mack of the century and are able to pull decent looking women despite looking like the elephant man. Well, in response to that, I'll say I have a sister who everybody says looks just like me. She also has no problem getting dates and has been dating since high school.

Sucks for you?

 

Like I said, women give you invitations to flirt. You have to be able to spot signals. Or maybe girls arent that into you. Ive been hit on, asked out, and offered sex. It doesnt happen super often, but its happened. Ive actually turned down a couple opportunities myself...stories which would leave male posters here thinking "wtf brah...whyd you bail on her?"

 

However, the vast majority of the time, we as men have to be able to pick up signals from women inviting us to come connect with them.

Is there a point to this post? Yes, and I think it's a good one.

The point seems to be facilitating more "cry moar" attitudes imo.

My bitter brothers ... accept the disparity in the dating world. You're not as inadequate as you think you are. It's just that every time you hit on a woman you think is in your reach, ten other guys just like you are doing it too. It is a competition, but eventually things will even out to one and one. And the way to turn things in your favor is by being more aggressive, taking your chances, stomaching rejection, and going through more numbers than the next guy.

 

Actually, I lied above. I did get hit on by a couple of gay guys during that period. That would possibly be the other route to an easier dating life.

Honestly, once I stopped thinking with my d!!ck, things opened up for me.

 

When I stopped trying so hard and just saw women as folks out to have fun just like me, things were way easier.

 

Dating is centered around love and sex...when you stop trying to force either and just have fun, they both will find you.

 

Yes guys should take chances, but they should also loosen up, have more self esteem and confidence, and stop being so outcome oriented.

[maysj18]

We really do have it harder... but as a gender we really do seem to enjoy sex more then women! More to gain, more to lose.

 

I think the thing is women have it easier finding someone compatible because they can get away with not trying as hard. If Somedude was a girl he'd have a bf no doubt. But Somedude is a man and just going out to dancing classes and school yet never making a move on any girls in all his life isn't cutting it. If somedude had been a girl and a boy had spent all that alone time "watching movies" and "playing video games" at the apartment just the two of them he would have probably made a move. Somedude rarely hangs out with girls and the few times he has he didn't so much as try to kiss the girl or hold her hand. Somedude would do good with girls if he could be confident enough to try. But girls don't even have to try is the thing.

 

But complaining and crying about it won't do any one any good. Like I said we also enjoy sex more then women! It was all good with no downside for us for most of human history... that is until child suport laws... another way we have it harder. Women have all the rights with that whether they abort, give away for adoption, or keep it and stick you with the bill. But thats life no use complaining about that. I think the alternative where a man has a say would be more unfair.

 

Look somedude and guys like him can sit back and wish they were girls because yes girls have it easier. But so do children! Be a man and take what is yours somedudes of LS. It's all in your head. If you just flip that switch and actualy chase women and enjoy it you'll get all the excitement and fun you ever wanted out of gf. Take pussy of the pedestal and stop using womens opinion of you as the worth of your life.

 

 

You obviously don't know anything about the law. My uncle is a family court attorney and the man must be notified before an abortion or adoption can take place. If you don't want kids, don't have sex? If you think child support is bad, imagine being a single parent raising a child alone while going to school, work, or both. You helped conceive it, you can help raise it.

 

Now, in regards to you saying that if somedude was a girl he would have a boyfriend for sure..I'm a girl and don't have a boyfriend? I have had ONE boyfriend. It is SO hard to find someone you're compatible with. When it comes to casual dating, I'm usually the pursuer at first, then it turns into 50/50. That's how it should be. I don't slack and expect the guy to make all the sacrifices. I put forth equal effort. If I notice he is trying to hard, I'll bring it up and see if he can tone it down. If I feel like I'm having to put myself out there more, I'll move on. If you feel a girl isn't trying, then you don't try either..it's pretty simple. If you don't want to accept that logic, then quit whining about it.

Edited January 17, 2012 by maysj18

[kaylan]

We really do have it harder... but as a gender we really do seem to enjoy sex more then women! More to gain, more to lose.

We dont enjoy it more. We just want it more. Tbh, I sometimes wonder what it feels like for women to have sex and what their orgasms feel like...because they seem to have such more intense reactions to sex than we do as men. And women can also have multiples. I mean wtf...unfair lol

I think the thing is women have it easier finding someone compatible because they can get away with not trying as hard. If Somedude was a girl he'd have a bf no doubt. But Somedude is a man and just going out to dancing classes and school yet never making a move on any girls in all his life isn't cutting it.

Tbh, I think I have it better being a guy because Im not conditioned to have love fall in my lap.

 

I think thats great because I truly can choose the best for me. Guys like Somedude, who just want for women to fall in his lap, are only settling for whatever comes along. How is that satisfying. A lot of guys and gals will just settle for whatever comes along despite not being so compatible.

If somedude had been a girl and a boy had spent all that alone time "watching movies" and "playing video games" at the apartment just the two of them he would have probably made a move. Somedude rarely hangs out with girls and the few times he has he didn't so much as try to kiss the girl or hold her hand. Somedude would do good with girls if he could be confident enough to try. But girls don't even have to try is the thing.

That doesnt mean its any easier for them in dating. We all still have to find someone we click with and truly want. I dont see dating as this hard game with an uber boss level (getting sex) like some guys here do.

 

For all the stuff guys complain about here, women can complain about as well. We are also picky and shallow as well, and many of us seem to approach the same type of woman. I know girls who NEVER get approached but are nice and cute gals. One of my best female friends never has guys hit on her. She says she feels invisible.

But complaining and crying about it won't do any one any good. Like I said we also enjoy sex more then women! It was all good with no downside for us for most of human history... that is until child suport laws... another way we have it harder. Women have all the rights with that whether they abort, give away for adoption, or keep it and stick you with the bill. But thats life no use complaining about that. I think the alternative where a man has a say would be more unfair.

No we do not enjoy sex more than women. Again, we just want it more on average.

 

And whats wrong with child support laws? Without them many kids would go without things they need growing up. For every guy who gets screwed by those laws, theres a ton of guys outrunning them and not doing what they should do as fathers. Child support laws are necessary imo

 

When it comes to abortions, I understand guys wanting to have a say...but at the end of the day we cannot control someone elses body, and we did have a say in whether or not we had sex with that woman. So it is what it is.

Look somedude and guys like him can sit back and wish they were girls because yes girls have it easier. But so do children! Be a man and take what is yours somedudes of LS. It's all in your head. If you just flip that switch and actualy chase women and enjoy it you'll get all the excitement and fun you ever wanted out of gf. Take pussy of the pedestal and stop using womens opinion of you as the worth of your life.

I lol'd at the children part. Anyone who ever complains in dating needs to man up, or wo-man up. Girls come here and complain and expect a great guy to fall in their lap as well. People need to take control of their life and stop expecting it to just come to them.

 

And yes...dudes need to take the pussy off the pedestal. Ive loved that piece of advice ever since I saw 40 Year Old Virgin. The brother in the movie tells the main character this.

[Dust]

You obviously don't know anything about the law. My uncle is a family court attorney and the man must be notified before an abortion or adoption can take place. If you don't want kids, don't have sex? If you think child support is bad, imagine being a single parent raising a child alone while going to school, work, or both. You helped conceive it, you can help raise it.

 

I'm sorry to tell you this but a lot of women won't give the name of the father. So if they want to give an abortion or give the child up for adoption nothing to stop it. Heck a woman who is married can drop a baby off at a firestation no questions asked thats a law. So yes men don't have fair rights but I don't think there is a fair way of doing it so some one had to get the shaft.

 

By the way would this be the right time to ask you to give me the honour of impregnating you!?

 

Now' date=' in regards to you saying that if somedude was a girl he would have a boyfriend for sure..I'm a girl and don't have a boyfriend? I have had ONE boyfriend. It is SO hard to find someone you're compatible with. When it comes to casual dating, I'm usually the pursuer at first, then it turns into 50/50. That's how it should be. I don't slack and expect the guy to make all the sacrifices. I put forth equal effort. If I notice he is trying to hard, I'll bring it up and see if he can tone it down. If I feel like I'm having to put myself out there more, I'll move on. If you feel a girl isn't trying, then you don't try either..it's pretty simple. If you don't want to accept that logic, then quit whining about it. [/quote']

 

Oh you're a girl and don't have a bf eh? Well if thats what you look like I'll fly you out to come be my gf the next chance you get! Or would you rather I fly you out to marry Somedude in California?

 

Cutie what I was saying was lockeroom talk for us boys. I would never challenge that you don't have it every bit as hard as us men. The thing is you have to keep in mind how desperate Somedude is... You don't seem nearly as desperate and that my dear is a very good thing! But if you were you would have a bf... I'm not saying you would be happy... but if you were a somedude you might be. Never be a Somedude though!

 

You're very pretty and I predict a bf for you very soon if you want one!

[Dust]

We dont enjoy it more. We just want it more. Tbh, I sometimes wonder what it feels like for women to have sex and what their orgasms feel like...because they seem to have such more intense reactions to sex than we do as men. And women can also have multiples. I mean wtf...unfair lol

Tbh, I think I have it better being a guy because Im not conditioned to have love fall in my lap

.....

 

And yes...dudes need to take the pussy off the pedestal. Ive loved that piece of advice ever since I saw 40 Year Old Virgin. The brother in the movie tells the main character this.

 

We have testosterone in much higher levels then they do. In fact testosterone is the main thing that makes them horny. We have it harder, but we have it better!

 

Yes a lot of guys here have to stop acting like women are superior. They are actualy more scared and angry then we are. You Kaylan seem to forget that often to.

 

You were spot on OP in what you said to me in the other thread.

 

To find a girl who is like me, I would have to compete with a billion guys who are my equals or much better. This is what frustrates me more than anything.

 

Don't be a Somedude Wolf. Somedude shouldn't even be a somedude!

 

You don't want a girl who is like you. Look dude I'm like 6'2 6'3 so yeah I'm tall dark and handsome. Yes it helps a lot. The thing is you did a hell of a lot better then me till you were 19 or something. I hadn't kissed a girl till I was 22 and graduated college. I was my own worst enemy. Right now you're being your own worst enemy. If I can just find that horny spark in you again and go after some cute chicks you'd find the girl of your dreams.

 

I believe in creating women. That means you have to bring her into existance. It's like she didn't exist until you find her. Think of it that way!

[kaylan]

I'm sorry to tell you this but a lot of women won't give the name of the father. So if they want to give an abortion or give the child up for adoption nothing to stop it. Heck a woman who is married can drop a baby off at a firestation no questions asked thats a law. So yes men don't have fair rights but I don't think there is a fair way of doing it so some one had to get the shaft.

 

By the way would this be the right time to ask you to give me the honour of impregnating you!?

All the guy has to do is come forward if the girl is giving up the kid for adoption. If he does he can have full custody. Abortions are different though because thats a choice that can only be made by the woman because its her body.

 

However once the kid is born then the father has a say. The rights arent fair, but women are the ones having the kids so thats how things are gonna work. It also doesnt help that many guys try and bail on their kids. Women do this in small percentages in comparison to men. Its that mom/child bond that happens in the womb and stuff. Motherly instincts and what not.

 

That stuff skews the laws in their favor. If more dudes man'd up and took care of whats theres, we wouldnt have this issue. And if a woman drops a kid off at a firestation, all the husband has to do is go take paternity tests to prove hes the father if he wants the kid. Theres no way hes gonna not know his wife was pregnant for 9 months.

 

Oh you're a girl and don't have a bf eh? Well if thats what you look like I'll fly you out to come be my gf the next chance you get! Or would you rather I fly you out to marry Somedude in California?

 

Cutie what I was saying was lockeroom talk for us boys. I would never challenge that you don't have it every bit as hard as us men. The thing is you have to keep in mind how desperate Somedude is... You don't seem nearly as desperate and that my dear is a very good thing! But if you were you would have a bf... I'm not saying you would be happy... but if you were a somedude you might be. Never be a Somedude though!

 

You're very pretty and I predict a bf for you very soon if you want one!

Why do dudes do that when in a debate with a woman sometimes. Usually when I see dudes say cutie or hun or sweetheart in an argument they are talking down to a chick.

 

Anyways, like I said, I have chick friends who never get approached. Just like Somedude.

 

Getting a bf or gf isnt hard if people actually try just a little. I have my pic of 2 girls right now if I wanted to. But im not feeling them like that. Plus im happily single atm.

 

I really dont get whats so hard about dating *scratches head*

Edited January 17, 2012 by kaylan

[Dust]

All the guy has to do is come forward if the girl is giving up the kid for adoption. If he does he can have full custody. Abortions are different though because thats a choice that can only be made by the woman because its her body.

 

However once the kid is born then the father has a say. The rights arent fair, but women are the ones having the kids so thats how things are gonna work. It also doesnt help that many guys try and bail on their kids. Women do this in small percentages in comparison to men. Its that mom/child bond that happens in the womb and stuff. Motherly instincts and what not.

 

That stuff skews the laws in their favor. If more dudes man'd up and took care of whats theres, we wouldnt have this issue. And if a woman drops a kid off at a firestation, all the husband has to do is go take paternity tests to prove hes the father if he wants the kid. Theres no way hes gonna not know his wife was pregnant for 9 months.

 

If you're not married and don't have your name on some list a woman will be able to just give the baby up for adoption.

 

Also I don't apreciate the entire if more dudes man'd up attitude. You're a guy you should know better. It takes two to make a child. It just so happens that women bodies are much more involved in the process so they get all the power these days... Was the opposite for 99.999% of human history. Not saying men had the babies... I'm just saying we owned them!

 

 

Why do dudes do that why in a debate with a woman sometimes. I see dudes say cutie or hun or sweetheart when they are talking down to a chick in a debate.

 

Anyways, like I said, I have chick friends who never get approached. Just like Somedude.

 

Getting a bf or gf isnt hard if people actually try just a little. I have my pic of 2 girls right now if I wanted to. But im not feeling them like that. Plus im happily single atm.

 

I really dont get whats so hard about dating *scratches head*

 

Because Maysj18 is a cutie hunny sweetheart! And even when I'm arguing with her I want her to know that!

 

Sorry for your chick friends. But Maysj18 he girl I was arguing with does get approached and claimed the men were only after sex which may or may not be true. You know damn well somedude would be beside himself with joy if a group of teenage girls drove up and started yelling nice ass. I realize this is scary for women but its hard for men to relate the oposite situation.

 

If somedude tried a little as in asking girls out on any kind of regular basis instaed of once a decade and then made moves on those girls he'd have a gf... it just bothers him that women don't have to out right ask men out or make the first move.

[kaylan]

We have testosterone in much higher levels then they do. In fact testosterone is the main thing that makes them horny. We have it harder, but we have it better!

 

Yes a lot of guys here have to stop acting like women are superior. They are actualy more scared and angry then we are. You Kaylan seem to forget that often to.

I know why we are hornier, but I was just pointing out before that being hornier doesnt mean we enjoy it more. Half the time I get off from masturbating its just to get rid of the craving. The orgasm wasnt spectacular though.

 

And youre right, I do keep forgetting that I come from a different perspective and experience than other guys here. I just try and keep the negativity down because when thread like this pop up, it just reinforces the bad attitudes and pedestalizing of women.

 

Don't be a Somedude Wolf. Somedude shouldn't even be a somedude!

 

Is that the new synonym for a desperate male? A somedude? lol

[kaylan]

If you're not married and don't have your name on some list a woman will be able to just give the baby up for adoption.

 

Also I don't apreciate the entire if more dudes man'd up attitude. You're a guy you should know better. It takes two to make a child. It just so happens that women bodies are much more involved in the process so they get all the power these days... Was the opposite for 99.999% of human history. Not saying men had the babies... I'm just saying we owned them!

But guys should man up and be responsible for their actions instead of complaining afterwords. Thats all im sayin'.

 

 

Because Maysj18 is a cutie hunny sweetheart! And even when I'm arguing with her I want her to know that!

 

Sorry for your chick friends. But Maysj18 he girl I was arguing with does get approached and claimed the men were only after sex which may or may not be true. You know damn well somedude would be beside himself with joy if a group of teenage girls drove up and started yelling nice ass. I realize this is scary for women but its hard for men to relate the oposite situation.

 

If somedude tried a little as in asking girls out on any kind of regular basis instaed of once a decade and then made moves on those girls he'd have a gf... it just bothers him that women don't have to out right ask men out or make the first move.

Lets be real though, most of the time a dude talks to a random girl, its because hed like to have sex with her. Im not gonna pretend I dont do the same thing. Hell everyone does the same thing. If a man or woman sees someone whos attractive, they want to speak with them...its just that a lot of the time guys will just want sex and thats it...but girls dont want that situation as much.

 

And no women dont have to ask guys out, but some still do. A small number, but its still something. If Ive had a couple girls ask me to chill or offer their phone number, or ask me to dance...things arent as fvked up as some guys think. If you just go out to have fun and put some effort into how you look, things just happen.

[Frogwife]

If you're not married and don't have your name on some list a woman will be able to just give the baby up for adoption.

 

 

I will say this: I had a child when I was 17 and put him up for adoption (he's now 25, so this was a while ago). An adoption agency's worst nightmare is a biological parent coming to take back a child after the adoption is complete, so many of them will not work with mothers who do not identify a father, and the father has to sign all the legal relinquishment paperwork consenting to the adoption.

 

While I can't speak for every state and I don't know every law (and yes, there are private adoptions where things are different and yes, there are unscrupulous agencies), but with any reputable or established agency or adoption attorney, it would be very, very difficult for a woman to place a child for adoption without a legally-identified and consenting father. Agencies just don't want to take the risk of legal action a later point.

[bean1]

A woman does not need to notify a man before an abortion. It doesn't matter if it's a one-night stand or a 20 year marriage, a man has NO say in an abortion, and as far as I am aware not a single place on this planet that requires that. Besides, most abortions occur before 12-14 weeks before a woman shows any physical pregnancy (aside from symptoms of vomiting etc). A man might never know except for her being unable to have sex after the procedure for a few weeks.

 

As far as adoption, state laws vary, but it is possible. It requires either an illegal adoption or advertising in the paper/courthouse boards which a man could easily missed.

 

I'm not a guy, I'm a woman, and I'm a mother. I think these ^ methods are rather sleazy but courts will always uphold the medical rights to one's own body over the rights of a potential father (as a child has no legal father if born to an unmarried mother).

[somedude81]

Just from reading the title I was getting prepared about what I wanted to say. And it turns out I already contributed

Women have it easier when it comes to receiving sex. Thats about it. And thats guys faults for not having standards and being willing to sleep with almost any woman.

 

Both sexes have it hard when it comes to finding someone compatible for a relationship

Yay, something I can comment on

 

No, it's not similar at all.

 

Simply by having more opportunities it's easier for women to find a quality man to be in a relationship with. Anybody who disagrees with me is not seeing the big picture.

 

I see cerri's requirements that she posted for a man she can be in a relationship with

I look for common values and similar worldviews.

I see if long-term goals are the same.

I determine if we'll be at odds about children, home, career, family, friends, and my need for space.

I'

m

honest with myself about other needs as well.

Namely, that he be extremely interesting, funny, sexy, warm, free from ghosts from relationships past, and is long-term partner and father material

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And I'm just jealous that she can require so many things, and have no issue finding a man who can offer all of them as long as she dates smart.

 

My requirements is that a girl have common interests and hobbies be fun to be with and not be overweight. But people (men and women) are telling that I should actually drop the not overweight requirement becasuse it's too limiting. Really?

 

If a woman were to post on this board how she is considering dating a man she is not attracted to, every poster would tell her no and give a multitude of reasons why not. So why should a man date somebody he is not attracted to?

 

But maybe I should try to force myself to be into a girl that I'm not into at all, just because she's nice. I'm sure she'd love that. What woman wouldn't be happy that her man wants her just because she's a woman and nothing else.

 

Right now I'm so stressed about my dating life/future that it's giving me regular insomnia. I started writing this message after I woke up at 4:30 AM. Something's got to give.

 

Just because I get hit on, doesnt mean I have it easy. I want to be in a relationship, not be some booty call. 99.9% of the time, guys that hit on me at a bar or whistle out on the street only care about getting lucky, which is not going to happen; therefore I'm left in the same boat as you.

And quality guys never approach you anywhere else?

Edited January 17, 2012 by somedude81

[ThaWholigan]

Women have it easier for what exactly??

 

Sure, they can find a guy to have sex with them, maybe even engage one of their orbiters in a half-hearted relationship. Would they be happy with that arrangement?? Probably not.

 

I normally defend it from the men's point of view as I am still a man with the same problems, but lets be completely unbiased here. Women have slightly different needs to us. There are things we need to do to make them completely attracted, it has nothing to do with being tall, good looking and muscular. If you can augment your persona to add certain character traits and a new mindset, you will find options everywhere as a man. In that respect, you will have it easy.

 

Women and men don't have it easier. People who are attractive and understand attraction have it easier. Attractive can be attributed to more than the physical here. Their physical appearance can include their body language, the way they carry themselves etc. Their aura can be captivating. This applies to men and women. And guess what?? These things can all be attained!!!

 

I can't complain about the state of my dating life (or life in general) because I know that I could have made it better, despite my difficulties. So I don't. I like to point out things and talk about it with the guys too, but my view is always a little more central than theirs. If we started to enjoy talking to women more and at least had fun with dating and sex/seduction regardless of what we may think women want, we would probably have more success, like Dust put it.

 

Don't put too much emotional investments at the chat-up stage. It will hurt you like it hurt me. When I started to give less of a **** about rejections, I have had much happier and enjoyable interactions with women. Soon, I will be dating them.

 

Oh, by the way, I know I'm a virgin so I don't know this 1st hand, but women can enjoy sex much more than we do. We get hornier quicker, and our sex drive doesn't take long to get aroused, like a switch. A woman's is like a pot on a stove that gets warmer and warmer. You know, this is why attraction is important, because it also makes it easier for you to be good in bed if you are experimental and enjoying yourself. If you can make a woman squirt on your walls 5 times, she'll ALWAYS want to have sex with you.....

[somedude81]

Oh, by the way, I know I'm a virgin so I don't know this 1st hand, but women can enjoy sex much more than we do. We get hornier quicker, and our sex drive doesn't take long to get aroused, like a switch. A woman's is like a pot on a stove that gets warmer and warmer. You know, this is why attraction is important, because it also makes it easier for you to be good in bed if you are experimental and enjoying yourself. If you can make a woman squirt on your walls 5 times, she'll ALWAYS want to have sex with you.....

Eh, I really don't mean to be a jerk; but I don't like it when people post advice on things that they've had no experience with.

 

It's like me giving the 49'ers tips on how they can win their next game. Or for you guys across the pond, telling your favorite Futbol team how they can beat their rival.

[ThaWholigan]

I hear you, I don't care though, I post advice on a lot of stuff I don't personally know about, and have received such. I'm not somebody to belittle one who doesn't have 1st hand experience, especially when one can still read and pass on, and actually talk to people too to confirm my beliefs.

[grkBoy]

... and say that in terms of being approached, being able to get dates and having options women overwhelmingly have it easier than men. This cannot be disputed. Why not? I'll put my own life up as an example.

 

This part is true...as you've seen my argument usually ends up speaking of how easily a girl can get a date or get laid, but how hard it is for them to find a committing boyfriend.

 

 

My bitter brothers ... accept the disparity in the dating world. You're not as inadequate as you think you are. It's just that every time you hit on a woman you think is in your reach, ten other guys just like you are doing it too. It is a competition, but eventually things will even out to one and one. And the way to turn things in your favor is by being more aggressive, taking your chances, stomaching rejection, and going through more numbers than the next guy.

 

There is some truth to this, but I also think many men need to first find themselves. They also need to stop equating their value in life with if they have a woman or not, or if they can get laid or not.

 

I speak from experience. I was a doormat...a "woe is me" guy...a bitter nice guy. What changed is when I stopped looking at dating as a necessity of my life. When I stopped worrying if I'll end up alone or with someone in life.

 

Some of you can think "well it's easy for grkBoy to say this...he has someone". I remember a former friend constantly saying "at least you have someone" when I had a GF years ago, but then and now I never understood why so many men and women put such an emphasis on "having someone" as their measure of value.

 

My fiance could flip out on me, dump me, and run off with some douchebag. I would be hurt for a few weeks or months...but I'd pick up the pieces and move on. I wouldn't sit there thinking I'm less of a man because I'm alone or because she dumped me...but simply state that the only person who matters most in my life is ME. My family and friends are important, but they come second to me in most situations.

 

Would I date again? Maybe...if I happen to meet someone, but I would not suddenly go on dating sites and go ballistic looking to meet someone. I would not worry if people say "you know, you're not getting any younger".

 

That to me is the real problem. The "winners" you notice are never desperate or pining or worrying if they have someone...even if they go for weeks or months without getting laid. Something to learn from.

[somedude81]

The problem with passing on advice that you have no real experience on, is that it can be completely unhelpful and may actually make things worse or dangerous.

 

One such example is somebody with no sexual experience, telling their equally inexperienced friend to wear two condoms. Which actually increases the chance of condom breakage.

[ThaWholigan]

The problem with passing on advice that you have no real experience on, is that it can be completely unhelpful and may actually make things worse or dangerous.

 

One such example is somebody with no sexual experience, telling their equally inexperienced friend to wear two condoms. Which actually increases the chance of condom breakage.

 

LOL even I know that's ****ing stupid . Problem with me is I'm an information junkie, and worse is that I like to share it. I do happen to read a lot about sex from various sources, I ask people things, men and women, and formulate an idea first. Then I share it with people. Whether they decide to use it or not is up to them, all I can do is what Professor Griff does and refer you to the info I got it from, if you want

[stillafool]

It's not that men nor women have it easier. Goodlooking people have it the easiest in dating. They have choices falling out of the sky. They always have and they always will. That's just the way it is.