MrTurk Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Throughout my life, I have noticed that the majority of men that I view as arrogant and egotistical tend to have very attractive wives or girlfriends. Think about it....if you go to childrens sporting events....usually many of the coaches are the over-aggressive, macho, type males. And many men and women see them as arrogant, boastful, over achieving type jerks. Yet I'd say a good 75% of the time...those guys are with a very attractive woman. How do attractive women see his actions and personality as confidence....when most of us see it as arrogance and being a jerk?? Does anyone else live in suburbia....and witness the same patterns to human behavior?
Dread Pirate Roberts Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Throughout my life, I have noticed that the majority of men that I view as arrogant and egotistical tend to have very attractive wives or girlfriends. Think about it....if you go to childrens sporting events....usually many of the coaches are the over-aggressive, macho, type males. And many men and women see them as arrogant, boastful, over achieving type jerks. Yet I'd say a good 75% of the time...those guys are with a very attractive woman. How do attractive women see his actions and personality as confidence....when most of us see it as arrogance and being a jerk?? Does anyone else live in suburbia....and witness the same patterns to human behavior? Because that type of woman is attracted to success, security and power.
Pompeii Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 I've already said multiple times that women like arrogance. Arrogant men are usually never without female company. Some of the best people I know with women are incredibly arrogant.
NGC1300 Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Because life is absolutely positively about lying, cheating, plotting, and scheming. It's a cruel world for the open-hearted. Especially if you're male.
Dread Pirate Roberts Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Because life is absolutely positively about lying, cheating, plotting, and scheming. It's a cruel world for the open-hearted. Especially if you're male. Well, isn't that the common view of decent men? They must be plotting or scheming. "If they were really nice they would . . ." As if all decent men trying to find a good woman are doing it for nefarious reasons.
Emilia Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 How do attractive women see his actions and personality as confidence....when most of us see it as arrogance and being a jerk?? Because they are not insecure like you are therefore their point of reference is different. Does anyone else live in suburbia....and witness the same patterns to human behavior? Nope, I don't live in suburbia, would probably rather kill myself. 2
jma500 Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Because they are not insecure like you are therefore their point of reference is different. Nope, I don't live in suburbia, would probably rather kill myself. Arrogance is arrogance no matter what and simply shows a vast lack of intelligence. It has nothing to do with the op"s insecurity or frame of reference. I know these things from experience, my father is an arrogant jackass. I avoid arrogance like the plague.
Revolver Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Every man I know who I would consider "arrogant" have no problem pulling women. This is one of those things were what women say online doesn't match up and apply in real life
Author MrTurk Posted July 19, 2013 Author Posted July 19, 2013 Every man I know who I would consider "arrogant" have no problem pulling women. This is one of those things were what women say online doesn't match up and apply in real life But what I want to know is, do the women that date those men also see them as arrogant....or do they see his actions as confidence? Or does she not really care, and only goes for him because she sees him as the alpha/leader/front man type of guy?
Roadkill007 Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Every man I know who I would consider "arrogant" have no problem pulling women. This is one of those things were what women say online doesn't match up and apply in real life don't you mean they're arrogant BECAUSE they know they pull women?
Eddie Edirol Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 But what I want to know is, do the women that date those men also see them as arrogant....or do they see his actions as confidence? Or does she not really care, and only goes for him because she sees him as the alpha/leader/front man type of guy? Its all balled up into one view of confidence and they'll deal with any extra that they arent so fond of, maybe thinking they can change it later. Also, arrogance is subjective, maybe the guys you see are only arrogant about things they know about. You also dont know if those pretty women they are with are insecure themselves because of their beauty, or how theyve been treated in the past. But the arrogant/confident types will be the ones that go for pretty women first, and get hooked up first. They guys to shy to make it happen get left in the dust. Women like the guy that can command the room, be popular, that comes with confidence and maybe some arrogance. But if he overdoes it, no one likes that, and usually the guys learn how to dial it back. Its not seen often,. but the guys that dont learn are usually by themselves, or get with a woman that is extremely insecure.
na49 Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 I don't think anyone wants to be with an arrogant guy, so it really is confidence. Just because they carry themselves like they are the sh*t doesn't mean everyone should hate them. It's actually the opposite. The shy person naturally isn't very confident because if he was, he wouldn't be shy. Because he isn't confident, he doesn't think he's the sh*t and thus women don't think he's the sh*t either. That being said. I am very shy.
Author MrTurk Posted July 19, 2013 Author Posted July 19, 2013 I don't think anyone wants to be with an arrogant guy, so it really is confidence. Just because they carry themselves like they are the sh*t doesn't mean everyone should hate them. It's actually the opposite. The shy person naturally isn't very confident because if he was, he wouldn't be shy. Because he isn't confident, he doesn't think he's the sh*t and thus women don't think he's the sh*t either. That being said. I am very shy. When you hear women say "oh he's so confident"...ok confident about what?? I think the word confident is severely overused and misused in the dating world. Women especially just blanket it on guys as a catch all that they find attractive. I'm confident about almost anything I do. And even confident about doing something great if I teach myself, or was just taught by someone 5 mins ago. I'm extremely athletic, agile, I dable in understanding quantum physics, psychology, sociology, and being able to read people seeing things that many others miss......BUT since I am not boisterous, loud, and egotistical....many people do not know any of this about me. But you have those guys that love attention, guys that project their business and such for everyone to hear, and work the room telling jokes, or whatever.....and people automatically label that as confident....and women automatically see him as the go-getter....and more attractive catch than they would see me. But is that guy really more confident than me? Or are humans just bad at detecting what they perceive as confident??
TheGuard13 Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 It's all about perception, which is why guys like that are perceived as confident. If you don't let people know you're confident, many people won't be able to tell.
tbf Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 How can one be arrogant and over-achieving? If someone over-achieves, they can back up what they say, so it's confidence. Arrogance infers the Dunning-Kruger effect. 2
Pompeii Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 don't you mean they're arrogant BECAUSE they know they pull women? No. The guys who I say are arrogant really are asshats and wouldn't give two ****s about the guy next to them. If they were one of the 300, they'd probably be the first to let someone next to them die.
Author MrTurk Posted July 20, 2013 Author Posted July 20, 2013 It's all about perception, which is why guys like that are perceived as confident. If you don't let people know you're confident, many people won't be able to tell. So basically its all about being a loudmouth or boisterous...when it comes down to it. Kind of the same as being rich....if you flaunt it and you make a name for yourself....you will receive attention If do not flaunt your wealth you would get treated as a regular everyday Joe Which in my eyes....means that women are simply attracted to guys that flaunt "X" . . X = whatever it is that they have and women perceive to want.
Woggle Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 The world rewards people like this. It's not exactly news. 2
Author MrTurk Posted July 20, 2013 Author Posted July 20, 2013 The world rewards people like this. It's not exactly news. True....but what is news...is the fact that the label "confidence" gets slapped on sh*t way to much by the female population when they describe why they like one guy over another.
Eddie Edirol Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 When you hear women say "oh he's so confident"...ok confident about what?? But is that guy really more confident than me? Or are humans just bad at detecting what they perceive as confident?? Confident about how he handles women. How he talks to them, no nervousness, no SHYNESS. Confidence about anything else isnt as important as confidence in dealing with women. So if youre too shy when dealing with women, THATS why they get the attention before you. Whatcha gonna do about it? 1
Author MrTurk Posted July 21, 2013 Author Posted July 21, 2013 Confident about how he handles women. How he talks to them, no nervousness, no SHYNESS. I still dont agree. If a guy gets shot down more times than he's succesful, does that mean he's confident?? No, but I guarantee if he keeps approaching women, some women will label him confident just because of him performing the act of approaching All I'm saying is that too many women blindly toss that label around, on way too many guys, and way too many situations that dont fit and dont deserve it.
SteveC80 Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 as a man youre better off being arrogant then quiet and humble Dominance turns women on and arrrogance can convey that Its a fine line between masculine traits and being a jerk and sometimes that little arrogance or jerkness can still turn some women on because they see it as power or dominance
Author MrTurk Posted July 21, 2013 Author Posted July 21, 2013 as a man youre better off being arrogant then quiet and humble Dominance turns women on and arrrogance can convey that Its a fine line between masculine traits and being a jerk and sometimes that little arrogance or jerkness can still turn some women on because they see it as power or dominance Yes..I agree 100%. Its what drives relationships in our society....I just refuse to partake in it, and have no problems avoiding people that do.
ThaWholigan Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Confidence basically equals self-assurance aka not being a pussy. 4
BradJacobs Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 How do attractive women see his actions and personality as confidence....when most of us see it as arrogance and being a jerk?? Does anyone else live in suburbia....and witness the same patterns to human behavior? Never noticed it. I live in suburbia though and am one of the arrogant jerks that you speak of so I'm probably not your target market for the question. Do you think if you were a woman that you would see them as confident or arrogant jerks? Perhaps their social success puts a negative slant on their personalities in your eyes?
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