mongo Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 yeah im done with american women. when im nice im viewed as weak, when im confident im viewed as too aggressive, when i hold a door open its viewed as insulting, when i say hello how are you im viewed as a creep, when i ask for a number i get a fake one, etc....i cant win with you people. gonna buy me a nice girl from ukraine or china. Link to post Share on other sites
CarrieT Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I've posted this before, but it bears repeating: Be careful what you wish for.... I have a very good friend who did this mail-order bride thing. He went through the sites and found a Philipino girl. They Skyped for almost a year. He went and visited her to make sure there was a connection and that she was real. He was introduced to her family. He spent a lot of money setting up a household for her and brought her over. They had a lot in common and she was gorgeous. They would play video games and have lots of sex. Then one day, I got the call at 3:00 a.m. because she was holding a knife to her neck and he couldn't get the knife away from her. Seemed he had previously had to hide all of the knives in the house because she was always threatening herself. We called 911 and had her hospitalized for three days. Turned out her family had set her up on the sites to get her away from them and that she already had a three-old child they were taking care of and hoping the rich, white American would take with the bride AND support the family. She was barely 20 and he is 35. It took him almost two years to get divorced and they were only married for two months. Again, be careful what you wish for... Link to post Share on other sites
lollipopspot Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I think I'd rather be alone than have to buy/pay someone to be with me 6 Link to post Share on other sites
Author mongo Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 I think I'd rather be alone than have to buy/pay someone to be with me you dont know what loneliness is. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
toscaroscura Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 yeah im done with american women. when im nice im viewed as weak, when im confident im viewed as too aggressive, when i hold a door open its viewed as insulting, when i say hello how are you im viewed as a creep, when i ask for a number i get a fake one, etc....i cant win with you people. gonna buy me a nice girl from ukraine or china. Gross. Good luck with that tho. Link to post Share on other sites
Lernaean_Hydra Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 yeah im done with american women. when im nice im viewed as weak, when im confident im viewed as too aggressive, when i hold a door open its viewed as insulting, when i say hello how are you im viewed as a creep, when i ask for a number i get a fake one, etc....i cant win with you people. So, when holding a door open for a woman what happens exactly? Because 9 times out of 10 it appears you get a polite 'thank you'. I mean, are you saying you've actually been what, berated and yelled at for opening a door for a woman? And when you give a simple "hello" women turn around and call you a creep? Is that it? Because I have to tell you, it sounds like a lot of hyperbole to me, but you'd know your experiences better I. gonna buy me a nice girl from ukraine or china. Then go for it bro? I mean, were you looking to be talked out of it or something? Plenty of guys have gone this route, some end up happy, some simply content not to be alone and some end up miserable and/or alone one way or the other. Still, last I checked, no one's holding guns to guy's head making them date American women. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Gaeta Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 yeah im done with american women. when im nice im viewed as weak, when im confident im viewed as too aggressive, when i hold a door open its viewed as insulting, when i say hello how are you im viewed as a creep, when i ask for a number i get a fake one, etc....i cant win with you people. gonna buy me a nice girl from ukraine or china. You are from what culture yourself? Ukraine and china? Be ready for some serious culture clashing. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
newmoon Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 there are some awesome documentaries about this topic on netflix. watch a few of those and see if you still want to try this... Link to post Share on other sites
Gaeta Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 yeah im done with american women. when im nice im viewed as weak, when im confident im viewed as too aggressive, when i hold a door open its viewed as insulting, when i say hello how are you im viewed as a creep, when i ask for a number i get a fake one, etc....i cant win with you people. gonna buy me a nice girl from ukraine or china. Seems to me if you don't have the will to work on your social skills then you certainly don't have the will to contact someone abroad, spend tons of money to visit them, pay their visa, wait months for them to move here, teach them a new language, support them financially and emotionally while you teach them everything there is to know about living in America, about different rules, different values, etc. THEN be ready for her to want her mom and siblings to move here with you. Link to post Share on other sites
JuneJulySeptember Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 In all seriousness, American women are tough for certain male demographics. For those men, it will be much easier for you to find a mate in Asia. I'm not so sure about the Ukraine, but Asia for sure. And they speak English in the Philippines. You know, it's your life. If you need to go to another country to find a woman, then go for it. Who cares what the f@ck anybody thinks. You don't have to mail order. Just go over there for a while, find a job, and meet some women. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author mongo Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Seems to me if you don't have the will to work on your social skills then you certainly don't have the will to contact someone abroad, spend tons of money to visit them, pay their visa, wait months for them to move here, teach them a new language, support them financially and emotionally while you teach them everything there is to know about living in America, about different rules, different values, etc. THEN be ready for her to want her mom and siblings to move here with you. work on my social skills? re-read my post. you try to sound so smart but you have made an incredibly irrelevant response. social skills are not the problem. if i walk up to someone in a friendly manner, look them in the eye and smile, and say hello how are you...and they ignore you and keep walking, thats not my fault. Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 yeah im done with american women. when im nice im viewed as weak, when im confident im viewed as too aggressive, when i hold a door open its viewed as insulting, when i say hello how are you im viewed as a creep, when i ask for a number i get a fake one, etc....i cant win with you people. gonna buy me a nice girl from ukraine or china. No need to buy one (mail order bride). Far more cost-efficient to simply rent an apartment and walk around. Trust me, your American accent and simply speaking English will gather plenty of attention. What you do with that is up to you. Pro tip: Pursue opportunities you'd normally go for at home. Don't chase the 'models'. Stick to the regular ladies. Lots of them and, whoa, it's summer so the skirts are up and the boots are a clackin. Enjoy! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
JuneJulySeptember Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Judging from the photos of Ukranian women, I would say they are as tough as US women, if not tougher. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YK70Be4tN6o/UwbBehNw98I/AAAAAAAAI5c/9NcYmUVSQqc/s1600/Marsh_velichija_duha-10.jpg If you think you can buy women who look like that just because they're poor, think again. Edited June 16, 2015 by JuneJulySeptember 1 Link to post Share on other sites
LostOnes05 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I completely understand where you are coming from bro. I've had the exact same issues. Of course when you are nice you are either viewed as weak or get that friendzone treatment. Then you hear them say, "I wish there were nice good guys. I want to find my bestfriend"...yea ok. I think it is quite hilarious at times. When I completely ignore women and go about my day as if I'm in a room full of men I don't care to know, women go out of their way to speak. I've always gotten the old, "I really don't believe you're single. Why?". Essentially, I've come to the realization that it is better (and less stressful) for me to be withdrawn and not care, than be engaging because women take it as automatically wanting something from them. And I have to echo the sentiments of the ladies...be careful with that. Besides, women are the same no matter the ethnicity. If she gives you a headache in Montana, she'll give you one in Portugal. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Gaeta Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 yeah im done with american women. when im nice im viewed as weak, when im confident im viewed as too aggressive, when i hold a door open its viewed as insulting, when i say hello how are you im viewed as a creep, when i ask for a number i get a fake one, etc....i cant win with you people. gonna buy me a nice girl from ukraine or china. I am sorry but it's not normal that when you hold a door it's viewed as insulting and a hello is viewed at being creepy. You are doing something wrong. You are picking the wrong moment, the wrong people, or something. If you are only trying to meet by cold approaches then you need a thicker skin. It's hard. If you don't want to do online then why not register in a meeting agency? it may cost you a couple of thousands but it's less than ordering a woman from a foreign country who's gonna end up ruining you. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Auspecial Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 work on my social skills? re-read my post. you try to sound so smart but you have made an incredibly irrelevant response. social skills are not the problem. if i walk up to someone in a friendly manner, look them in the eye and smile, and say hello how are you...and they ignore you and keep walking, thats not my fault. It may surprise you to know this, but this happens to everyone, even attractive women. People you smile at don't always feel like smiling back, and its not their responsibility to, either. Just because you smile at someone doesn't mean they are assaulting you for not smiling back. This happens to me on a daily basis. I am a generally happy person, and I smile a lot at people. I often get return smiles, and I often get ignored. I don't care, because this who I am, and no one has to smile back at me just because I smiled first. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
SomeDude16 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 What do you mean, " you people"?? How do you view yourself? Link to post Share on other sites
Hyperfocal Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 gonna buy me a nice girl from ukraine or china. Is that a Poroshenko variety, or Putin'ian? Be careful. Foreign is safe, many bright Chinese are studying in our universities and are good folk, but when they sell them selves in this capacity, I'd be less amused. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
bene Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Chinese or Ukranian girl is a person too with her own thoughts, dreams and desires, not some doll for your amusement. The fact that you are considering "buying" another human being who you can dominate with money is gross and I don't see much happiness arising for this sort of arrangement. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Fugu Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 You are from what culture yourself? Ukraine and china? Be ready for some serious culture clashing. Been with a Chinese - PRC China - woman for 6+ years now and wouldn't change a thing. But yeah, there are definitely culture issues - probably more for her trying to get used to an American than the other way around (lol). I think the big shock is that foreign women aren't nearly as submissive and as servile as a lot of insecure American men want to believe. That, in my view, is the potentially greatest surprise in store for the OP. International women often have rigid views about their roles in a marriage - and about a man's role and what a man should be. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
O'Malley Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 OP's himself a product of the culture that he complains about; he's not immune to engaging in the same mores and behaviors that he decries in women. Even if he managed to persuade a woman to relocate to the U.S., she's going to adapt to and adopt american customs and attitudes. If OP thinks that traveling or living abroad will enrich his life, go for it. He'll be in for a shock when he steps off of the plane and discovers that women in these countries have the same needs and motivations that most people do. They might vary in their approach to dating but they can still sense when someone has a major chip on their shoulder. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 yeah im done with american women. when im nice im viewed as weak, when im confident im viewed as too aggressive, when i hold a door open its viewed as insulting, when i say hello how are you im viewed as a creep, when i ask for a number i get a fake one, etc....i cant win with you people. gonna buy me a nice girl from ukraine or china. I love guys like you. They keep business chugging in for people like me (divorce lawyer). You're going to get shafted, my friend. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Haydn Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 If you buy 2 do you get 1 free? I should imagine a lot of people would do a lot to get out of the countries they live in for one reason or another. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
MGX Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 yeah im done with american women. when im nice im viewed as weak, when im confident im viewed as too aggressive, when i hold a door open its viewed as insulting, when i say hello how are you im viewed as a creep, when i ask for a number i get a fake one, etc....i cant win with you people. gonna buy me a nice girl from ukraine or china. I think you might be projecting bad experiences from SOME U.S. women to ALL U.S. women. Giving you a persecution complex. Some women think EVERYTHING a man that they aren't attracted to is creepy, while others are such militant feminists, that they get upset when a "strong man" has to hold the door for the "weaker sex". Or maybe you simply ran into women on a bad day. I don't think you should do this mail order bride thing. Maybe you should walk away from women for awhile, if not altogether. Link to post Share on other sites
johndoe2 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Try hookers instead. If you a find one you 'click with', then see her regularly. Seems like a better arrangement to me. Just like everything and everyone else these days, you can find them on the internet. Link to post Share on other sites
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