Meh, they are just trying to do what they think is right. I mean, it's not as though their hearts are in the wrong place.
Anyway, if you don't love god thats fine, but don't go hating on the people that do. Life is too short to argue about who's right, and what the afterlife will be like.
We'll all find out when we get there.
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Holy smokes have you missed all the threads about Free Will ?
You are certainly free to think anything as long as it fits "their rules and agenda"........ interesting quote today from Benny Hinn....: "the christian government" YIKES!!!!!
Actually, if you're part of "organized" religion you are not allowed to think for yourself. That's why they call it organized.
This is utter pap.
It's not all Christians. It's the (sadly) growing mass of ultra-right wing fundamentalists. Think of the Taliban. You can take any religion too far and, sadly, the extremists always think they have the right to rule nations and everyone in them.
Yes, Outcast's right. Please don't think all Christians are mind-sucking loud-mouths. Just the conservative fundamentalists most represented on TV who, I agree, are annoying as snot.
There really are churches that encourage thinking the faith for yourself.
Holy smokes have you missed all the threads about Free Will ?
You are certainly free to think anything as long as it fits "their rules and agenda"........ interesting quote today from Benny Hinn....: "the christian government" YIKES!!!!!
a4a- free willie
Once, a friend and I were "watching" Benny Hinn and making fun of his hair. He looked directly into the TV and said "...you may be making fun of my hair..." FREAKY. That was the last time I watched him!!
I disagree that organized religions don't leave room for thought. For example, the Methodists base their beliefs and belief on any particular topics on 4 things:
Scripture, Tradition, Reason, and Experience, all on equal setting. I in my experience talking with people, this actually happens.
Okay, back to the original topic, Loudmouth Christians. I don't mind them at all. Sometimes they can be annoying, but overall I don't mind. I think of it this way. You are at a car dealership, and you are about to buy a car. Someone else that is there just saw someone under the car cutting the brake lines. Wouldn't you want them to tell you, even if it turns out they were wrong? That's how the LMC see the situation. They think someone has cut your brake lines, and they feel it would be totally irresponsible not to tell you. I am a Christian, but that's not where this argument comes from. I feel the same way about any other religion. I respect their desire to "throw me a lifeline" so to speak.
As it turns out there are a few (not all) of these people that are very interesting to talk to. And are even willing to listen to your point of views as well. I suspect Moose is one of these people.
Once, a friend and I were "watching" Benny Hinn and making fun of his hair. He looked directly into the TV and said "...you may be making fun of my hair..." FREAKY. That was the last time I watched him!!
Well that is not so freaky because each time I see him I think of his hair helmet as well....... That was an easy way to sucker people in... I mean come on how many people that first see him do not think..... that dude has some really weird hair...... kinda like Donald Trump..... everyone wonders what the hell is up with his hair too...... Trump could be considered clairvoyant as well if he made mention that you were thinking of his hair, most likely within small window of time the majority of people viewing him would think of his hair, thus suckering in those people making them believe Trump really knows they are thinking about his hair.
(not saying you were suckered in by Hinn.... Gene Simmons will also make you think of his tongue as well if you view him????)
Many people that are lonely, desparate, or face hard times are preyed upon by people like this Hinn, or for that matter religious organizations and cults themselves. Many people feel part of something if they join, feel empowered to be part of something, or are able to find peace to say that it is their gods will..... no need to take responsibility for what will or what has happened to them. I truly think those are the people that fit the "loud mouth 2x4 swinging type".
One poster recently blamed financial ruin on disobeying God..... which is odd to me. I have posted over and over again that I do not believe in this god and suddenly my financial future is brightening dramatically! Of course I have taken step to make it so.......I realize it is just starting to pan out from seeds sowed earlier.
Perhaps by convincing all of us that we should think "their way" makes them feel safe and helps them to stop questioning themselves, their own faith?
a4a- you are wondering what a4a stands for aren't you
They don't just want to tell you. They want to buy the dealership and the car company and then tell you what car to drive.
I don't know. I think it's a matter of perception. Maybe we've taken the car analogy as far as it can go, but to them, they really don't think they are asking you to do that much. To them, they are only asking you to "buy" a new brake line from them, and they honestly don't believe they are asking for more. As the buyer, it seems as if they are asking you to buy the dealership and the car company and so on...But which is it? Neither, they are both just matters of perception. I can hold onto my perception and yet still understand where they are coming from, and respect that. Even without buying whatever it is they are actually selling.
Well that is not so freaky because each time I see him I think of his hair helmet as well....... That was an easy way to sucker people in... I mean come on how many people that first see him do not think..... that dude has some really weird hair...... kinda like Donald Trump..... everyone wonders what the hell is up with his hair too...... Trump could be considered clairvoyant as well if he made mention that you were thinking of his hair, most likely within small window of time the majority of people viewing him would think of his hair, thus suckering in those people making them believe Trump really knows they are thinking about his hair.
(not saying you were suckered in by Hinn.... Gene Simmons will also make you think of his tongue as well if you view him????)
Nah, I wasn't suckered, but it was still freaky. We laughed for about 15 minutes!
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Originally Posted by a4a
Many people that are lonely, desparate, or face hard times are preyed upon by people like this Hinn, or for that matter religious organizations and cults themselves. Many people feel part of something if they join, feel empowered to be part of something, or are able to find peace to say that it is their gods will.....
With the exception of those who are clearly just sucking money out of people for the sake of sucking money out of people, what exactly is wrong with this. Yes the whole financial thing is silly, one has to be responsible. There are even passages about this in the Bible. But if it helps them get through being lonely, desparate, or hard times, why is that a bad thing? Many people pay thousands of dollars to go to counsellors to help them through the exact same things. There are certainly people here that through no illwill believe that counselling is a cure all. What's so different/wrong about someone truely honestly believing that religion is cure all?
I know a few such persons, and they do more to TURN ME OFF than enthuse me about all things spiritual...
Because humans can reason, and can reason falsely, they can make the false seem true, and vice versa. That seems to be happening in religions too.
It is funny. They appear to have turned into the descendents of the groups that were opposed to Christ. Anyone know of studies in which such a comparison is made?
Being turned off as a result of this is a natural result. Just as the popularity of politics does not improve if every week a major scandal is uncovered. Same happens to all fields of human endeavour.
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Nah, I wasn't suckered, but it was still freaky. We laughed for about 15 minutes!
What's so different/wrong about someone truely honestly believing that religion is cure all?
There is nothing wrong with that........ for that person.
However, some of us do not wish to have to hear, see, and have religion, religious beliefs, and those rules shoved at us at all turns in life. We do not want a lifeline, or a brake check. Nor do we want to join the "righteous".
I would assume that you would find it irritating if lets say a group of Donkey worshippers tried to force their beliefs on you and create laws that you would have to abide by or face punishment.
If this god is the final judge.... then so be it. In the meantime just worry about living your own life.
I guess it is like telling a person that they are an alcoholic when they truly are not...... then trying to force them to go to AA meetings for their non existant problem?
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