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Old 28th January 2004, 12:56 PM   #1
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What ever happened to feminism

Where did all the feminists go?

Now it seems women are supposed to love porn, get breast implants and have plastic surgery. Despite the fact that we earn less than men we are still most valued fopr looking hot. Whatever happened to hairy armpits and bra burning??
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Old 28th January 2004, 12:57 PM   #2
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Re: What ever happened to feminism

What is feminism? Not being flip here, just seeking a common understanding of what you mean by this term.
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Old 28th January 2004, 1:03 PM   #3
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trust me the hairy crotches, armpits, lips, and chins are there. Maybe it just that it is not so much of an issue, or an issue that does not get as much attention as in the past. There are a whole lot of informal and formal groups out there veing for support.
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Old 28th January 2004, 1:18 PM   #4
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The feminists realized it was a losing battle and have thinned out.

Just like with any radical group, if you go against society you will end up a poor outcast unless you are independently wealthy or are in show business.
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Old 28th January 2004, 1:22 PM   #5
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I think most women would rather be sexy and get laid. Maybe it's not much of a political statement......but......
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Old 28th January 2004, 1:30 PM   #6
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I'm a guy, but I honestly believe feminism is not to women's advantage. I refuse to buy a feminist a drink, I refuse to hold the door open for her, equality works both ways.

If you were clever, you would just continue playing your parts behind the scenes, where you are the ones holding the strings. What? You think we don't know this?
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Old 28th January 2004, 2:57 PM   #7
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I think many of us still practice selective feminism. I'm not going to refuse to walk through a door if a man holds it open for me and I shave my legs but I don't put up with derogatory comments directed at women. I compete with men for the same jobs, I question hiring decisions made that appear to be gender-based (yes, I'm very popular at work - lol).

Actually it's not just feminism, it's humanism - I do the same when I see a man getting the short end of the stick (although it doesn't happen where I work quite as much).

I don't know that the issue comes up quite as much in my personal life - I rarely put up with mistreatment from anyone (save the trials I went through with the ex) so I don't feel the need to actively practice feminism.

I conclude that I live a pretty good life if I don't have to think about it very much.
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Old 28th January 2004, 3:38 PM   #8
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Furthermore,
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Whatever happened to hairy armpits and bra burning??
You miss that?
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Old 28th January 2004, 3:41 PM   #9
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I think most women would rather be sexy and get laid. Maybe it's not much of a political statement......but..

Arabess, I'm sending you a 1 year gift subscription to "Ms Magazine."
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Old 28th January 2004, 3:50 PM   #10
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Now it seems women are supposed to love porn, get breast implants and have plastic surgery.
Nobody said you had to like porn. The people here seem to believe that men should have the option to look at porn. What makes porn seem so bad?

Why do women obsess over breast size? Are you jealous of big-breasted women?

Plastic surgery… I think that should be reserved for scars, burns, and other deformations. One Michael Jackson freak show is one too many.

Tell me, why do women put so much into their vanity? That applies to their legs, breasts, body shape, clothing, intelligence, sophistication, purity, innocence, morality, etc.
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Despite the fact that we earn less than men we are still most valued fopr looking hot.
Salary depends on the type of work.
The last time I checked, women still prefer the hot guys when given an option.
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Whatever happened to hairy armpits and bra burning??
I think bras became more important after the breast implants.
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I think most women would rather be sexy and get laid. Maybe it's not much of a political statement......but......
Maybe feminism went out of fashion.
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Old 28th January 2004, 4:05 PM   #11
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I don't speak for all women, but personally I wasn't too vain before I met my husband. I didn't obsess over my weight, I didn't wear make up all the time, I didn't always fix my hair, but I felt beautiful just the same.

Then I got married. My husband started making comments about my weight, my hair, my skin....I can tell that he even TREATS me better when I look good. If I pull my hair back, put on jeans, and don't wear make up, he nags me to death. If I dress up though, he opens doors and holds my hands.

That's why I'm vain.

Sinny: I wish women would burn their bras, and have hairy armpits.....that way when I wear my bra and shave my armpits, I'll be sexier than all you

Seriously, I think it's that women are competitive with each other. We want the best men, the best kids, the best body....men don't seem to compare themselves with each other....they talk about things like the weather and sports. We women are in competition with each other, and THAT'S probably why we aren't feminists

Probably dates back to when men had more than one wife....his wives had to compete for his attention. Therefore, the most attractive got to have the most babies.

If we don't stick out our chest and wear mascara, we don't get noticed as much as the women who do.

Besides I don't like the way my boobs flop around without a bra on, and I hate the way my armpits feel when they get hairy That's why i'm not feminist.

Sorry, but I don't know that much about feminism, so I guess I'm not a very helpful poster
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Old 28th January 2004, 4:15 PM   #12
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My husband started making comments about my weight, my hair, my skin....I can tell that he even TREATS me better when I look good. If I pull my hair back, put on jeans, and don't wear make up, he nags me to death. If I dress up though, he opens doors and holds my hands.


That's one of the weirdest things I have ever heard. Your still his wife, dressed up or not, and he is rude and doesn't treat you as well if your not fixed-up?

Shallow city.
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Old 28th January 2004, 4:24 PM   #13
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Originally posted by AprilFool I got married. My husband started making comments about my weight, my hair, my skin....I can tell that he even TREATS me better when I look good. If I pull my hair back, put on jeans, and don't wear make up, he nags me to death. If I dress up though, he opens doors and holds my hands.
Man, this one struck me as weird as well.

It drives me nuts sometimes when my girl take a long time to put on makeup, get all dressed up, do her hair, etc... when we're only going grocery shopping or something!!

I much prefer her without makeup, or just a little. She looks fantastic either way, but seriously, sometimes the amount of time she spends on that stuff just really frustrates me.
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Old 28th January 2004, 4:29 PM   #14
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a dated a girl like that. she would never leave the house without getting all fixed up. she would spend an hour to get ready to go to the corner store for 5 minutes.

My wife is the total opposite. She is like me; roll out of bed and and be out the door 5 minutes later.
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Old 28th January 2004, 4:41 PM   #15
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Feminism is one of those loaded terms that has become, for many, pejorative. I don't view it that way. For me, feminism is defined as a social, political and philosophical belief that women and men should be treated equally under the law, in the labor market and in the public realm. Stated differently, feminism, to me, means that the law, employers, and the government should not discriminate against, or disadvantage , a woman because of her sex.

Under this definition, feminism is a victim of its success and a reactionary demonization.

I believe that women in the USA are better off today, in terms of jobs, education, income and rights, than 10, 20 or 30 years ago. This is especially true for educated middle class women in this post-industrial, service sectored American economy.

The term "feminism" has become synonymous with stiff, intolerant, bra-burning radical lesbians. That is a caricature of the worst sort.

Feminism hasn't gone anywhere. In fact it's everywhere in the USA. It is woven into the fabric of our public lives.

And I believe that's a good thing.
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