Last night my little brother, his W, and myself got into a Religious debate. My brother and I were raised and dedicated in the Baptist church but then our parents moved us to the Church of Nazarene for several years, then back to Baptist. The reasons was b/c of the change in ministers, parents didn't like new ones.
Anyhow, I did not realize my brother believes in purgatory, I do not. PLZ do not bash me for not believing in it, it's my belief. I believe you either go to Heaven or Hell after you die. Well, this raised the debate of ppl that do not know God, do not know He exist, was never taught about Him etc. Do these ppl go to Hell b/c they never accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior? Most of my dad's side of the family are missionaries so they do go to other Countries and share the word of God, but what about those ppl that do not? Do they go to Hell when they die b/c they don't know God and live by His word b/c no one taught them?
What about the children that were never taught by their parents about God? Do they go to Hell if they die?
I feel God is a merciful God, and I believe you do need to have God as your personal Savior and follow His Word. I feel the way into Heaven is through Jesus Christ but what about those unfortunate not to know Him?
Where never taught about Him?
Last night my little brother, his W, and myself got into a Religious debate. My brother and I were raised and dedicated in the Baptist church but then our parents moved us to the Church of Nazarene for several years, then back to Baptist. The reasons was b/c of the change in ministers, parents didn't like new ones.
Anyhow, I did not realize my brother believes in purgatory, I do not. PLZ do not bash me for not believing in it, it's my belief. I believe you either go to Heaven or Hell after you die. Well, this raised the debate of ppl that do not know God, do not know He exist, was never taught about Him etc. Do these ppl go to Hell b/c they never accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior? Most of my dad's side of the family are missionaries so they do go to other Countries and share the word of God, but what about those ppl that do not? Do they go to Hell when they die b/c they don't know God and live by His word b/c no one taught them?
What about the children that were never taught by their parents about God? Do they go to Hell if they die?
I feel God is a merciful God, and I believe you do need to have God as your personal Savior and follow His Word. I feel the way into Heaven is through Jesus Christ but what about those unfortunate not to know Him?
Where never taught about Him?
This is just idle curiosity, but do you believe unbaptized babies go to hell? I assume baptists believe in original sin, since they do practice baptizing....
And according to most christian theology, AFAIK, yes if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, then you do go to hell.
Disclaimer - I do not believe this.
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This is just idle curiosity, but do you believe unbaptized babies go to hell? I assume baptists believe in original sin, since they do practice baptizing....
And according to most christian theology, AFAIK, yes if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, then you do go to hell.
Disclaimer - I do not believe this.
No, I do not feel unbaptized babies go to hell. My belief on baptism is that you should be old enough to understand why you are being baptized, hence why I don't believe in infancy baptism. Sorry if that offends anyone.
Jesus won't come back until the gospel has been preached to all people, in all parts of the world. We don't know when that will be, but until then, no one is going anywhere. And as far as unbaptized babies. They can't make a choice to believe or not, so they are loved and protected.
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No, I do not feel unbaptized babies go to hell. My belief on baptism is that you should be old enough to understand why you are being baptized, hence why I don't believe in infancy baptism. Sorry if that offends anyone.
We had talked about this recently in bible study. You are right on target. We believe in dedicating a child to Christ and promise to raise our children in accordance with his word, but we don't believe in infant baptism either.
No, I do not feel unbaptized babies go to hell. My belief on baptism is that you should be old enough to understand why you are being baptized, hence why I don't believe in infancy baptism. Sorry if that offends anyone.
Ah, Ok. In the Catholic faith they used to say unbaptized babies went to limbo, but now current theology indicates they go to heaven. But of course, Catholics believe in infant bapitsm.
Catholics also have a number of sacraments that followers go through, like confirmation (to enter into adulthood in the church), reconciliation, and first communion.
It's strange how much various christian sects differ in their belief systems. I always wondered if other christian sects believe that christians who have different beliefs go to hell.
Ah, Ok. In the Catholic faith they used to say unbaptized babies went to limbo, but now current theology indicates they go to heaven. But of course, Catholics believe in infant bapitsm.
Catholics also have a number of sacraments that followers go through, like confirmation (to enter into adulthood in the church), reconciliation, and first communion.
It's strange how much various christian sects differ in their belief systems. I always wondered if other christian sects believe that christians who have different beliefs go to hell.
I think that they do. That's why I try to study and read the bible, so if you can't show me the basis for your beliefs in the Word of God, I ain't buying what you're selling.
I think that they do. That's why I try to study and read the bible, so if you can't show me the basis for your beliefs in the Word of God, I ain't buying what you're selling.
I'm not sure I understand. You're saying that some sects of christianity DO believe that other types of christians are going to go to hell? I always thought that was bizarre. Then again, organized religion in general has always been bizarre to me.
I believe in God, but I don't buy organized religion. Seems to me it's just one person's interpretation (the founder of whatever sect) of what God is saying.
I think that they do. That's why I try to study and read the bible, so if you can't show me the basis for your beliefs in the Word of God, I ain't buying what you're selling.
How do you know your version of your particular group's book is the right one?
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I'm not sure I understand. You're saying that some sects of christianity DO believe that other types of christians are going to go to hell? I always thought that was bizarre. Then again, organized religion in general has always been bizarre to me.
I believe in God, but I don't buy organized religion. Seems to me it's just one person's interpretation (the founder of whatever sect) of what God is saying.
You are so correct. I believe the same thing. Even the particular group that I am affiliated with, says things that I can't find in the bible. And when I ask a minister(more than one)they can't seem to point it out in the bible either. That means it is just your church's doctrine, not the word of God. I go only by His word, not your doctrine. Someone always believes that they are better than someone else. It is a shame really that each group allows such small differences to separate them. Instead of doing what Christ did, going out and helping the poor, sick, hurting, we as a whole are wasting precious time and energy argueing about what day is really the sabbath or what is the actual date of Christ's birth.
Christian's should be more concerned about actually living the life of Christ and letting their actions lift him up. No one should have to say I am a Christian, anyone who looks at us should know, but no most of us prefer to do lip service, instead of actual service.
How do you know your version of your particular group's book is the right one?
My faith is in God, therefore I follow the precepts of the bible. I know it is right, because of my faith. And before you ask, if I am wrong(I am not) then what have I lost? If I am right( I am) I have gained eternal life in His glory.
Jesus won't come back until the gospel has been preached to all people, in all parts of the world. We don't know when that will be, but until then, no one is going anywhere. And as far as unbaptized babies. They can't make a choice to believe or not, so they are loved and protected.
Thanks bent. But what about the ppl that die b4 Christ returns? The ones that do not know the Gospel? What about them? Will they go to Hell b/c they haven't asked Jesus Christ to come into their hearts as their personal Savior?
I feel the way into Heaven is through Jesus Christ but what about those unfortunate not to know Him? Where never taught about Him?
this is a simplistic answer, shaped and formed by my Catholic upbringing: Jesus was and is the ultimate sacrifice for all of mankind, for the nonbelievers and the believers, for the churched and for the ignorant, for Christians and non-Christians alike, throughout all the ages.
because God gives the gift of grace and faith leads us to him because we are created in his image, his gift of salvation of Christ is definitely possible for all, past, present and future. In the Apostles Creed we recite at every Mass, we profess our belief that Christ descended into Hell, rising rising on the third day, according to Scripture and faith tradition.
why would Jesus bother to go to hell if not to rescue the souls of people who awaited their savior even though they died long before his arrival? Who have the natural grace of God, that spark of divinity that led them to God even before Christ's arrival? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Harrowing_of_Hell
so yeah, I believe those folks who have never heard of Jesus but who choose to be of God will see him on Judgment Day. Because with God, anything is possible, and his grace and love for us endless.
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Thanks bent. But what about the ppl that die b4 Christ returns? The ones that do not know the Gospel? What about them? Will they go to Hell b/c they haven't asked Jesus Christ to come into their hearts as their personal Savior?
According to the scriptures, when Christ returnes, the dead will be resurrected. They maybe given a final chance(tribulation)this I am unclear on and need to study more, but I do know they will be resurrected.
infant baptism *raises hand* I believe in it, because it goes back to that time in the Scripture when the apostles were baptizing whole families into communities of faith. Catholics baptism takes place on a whole number of levels: to initiate the child into the sacraments; to wipe the stain of original sin from the baby's soul; to welcome a child into a community of believers; and most importantly, to provide that community the opportunity to renew themselves sacramentally to God. We profess our believe in Him, we reject the works of Satan, we renew our covenant with God every time someone is baptized in the Church, be it that tiny baby or an adult.
as Otter points out, the Catholic Church has a slew of sacraments that mark, if you will, the different milestones in people's lives, from birth to death ... and they all start with baptism.
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