Cliffs: 16 year old boy refuses medical treatment because of his religious beliefs. Was a simple urinary tract blockage that could easily have been fixed with a catheter.
His parents will plead not guilty on a couple of charges using a "religious freedom" defense.
I'm assuming the type of nuts that rely on faith healing are a minority amongst religions.... do any of you guys know some personally?
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Cliffs: 16 year old boy refuses medical treatment because of his religious beliefs. Was a simple urinary tract blockage that could easily have been fixed with a catheter.
His parents will plead not guilty on a couple of charges using a "religious freedom" defense.
I'm assuming the type of nuts that rely on faith healing are a minority amongst religions.... do any of you guys know some personally?
Are they wrong for following their faith? Even if they sent their child to the doctors, does that mean the boy would of still lived? No one has a crystal ball, no one can say what the next moment will bring, we ALL live on faith. We live on faith that the sun will rise tomorrow. We have faith that we will have great health for most of our lives. We have faith that when we get behind the wheel of a car that we will get place to place safely. We even believe our children will be safe in the schools and colleges they go to. Life is all about faith. But, when things go wrong and not the way we expect it, then we want to get mad and question and discount faith. Faith is NOT about everything going our way and everything being right.
Unless there are ACTIVE signs of neglect and abuse is one thing, a person should be punished for wanton and intentional acts of neglect and abuse. But, if someone is operating out of faith, the government needs to back off. It is they who state that government and religion should not mix, and the need to stop being forked tongued like the devils they are and live up to that. This does not mean that religious groups should not be held accountable for criminal acts, but that does not mean the government have the right to impose upon them because they are operating out of faith either.
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I really hope the religious group who had their children taken away, poked prodded, probably bad mouthed because of their faith, should sew the Texas and the US government.
Yeah, it's pretty screwed up. Ah, when traditional thinking and modern thinking collide.
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Cliffs: 16 year old boy refuses medical treatment because of his religious beliefs. Was a simple urinary tract blockage that could easily have been fixed with a catheter.
His parents will plead not guilty on a couple of charges using a "religious freedom" defense.
I'm assuming the type of nuts that rely on faith healing are a minority amongst religions.... do any of you guys know some personally?
Nope, following God has nothing to do with not taking advantage of medical treatment. God expects us to use all the tools at our disposal to keep ourselves in good physical condition. For me the groups that do this are not reading all the word or dividing it rightly. It is the same thing with groups who don't allow their followers to celebrate special days(birthdays, graduations, etc.)That child should have had every chance at life.
And DNR, you are right about the parents in TX, they should sue the crap out of the state. Their children shouldn't have been taken away from them without proof of anything. And to keep them away from their parents make me sick.
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Cliffs: 16 year old boy refuses medical treatment because of his religious beliefs. Was a simple urinary tract blockage that could easily have been fixed with a catheter.
His parents will plead not guilty on a couple of charges using a "religious freedom" defense.
I'm assuming the type of nuts that rely on faith healing are a minority amongst religions.... do any of you guys know some personally?
I consider Mormonism a cult.
There are many extreme groups you can pass off as mainstream Christianity. Try the Manson family, or David Koresh.
The hypocrisy is fanatics are passed off as mainstream Christians, and the atheist fanatics are also passed off as mainstream Christians. Too convenient in my opinion.
I think the problem is not with his faith, but with the law his maturity and the law there. When the law defines a boy be mature and experienced enough to decide about matters concerning his very life from the age of 14, it is only fair enough if he does do so. Sure you can ask, have to ask yourself what sort of parents are they? Bringing him up this way, making him make this decision. However, if he would've been 24 and have made the same decision, would you still condemn and render guilty his parents? You probably wouldn't, which is owing to us not agreeing over that he is in an situation where he could realise what's right out of himself. We deem him dependant on the beliefs of his parents, yet the law doesn't. For me that's sort of a dilemma - but yet it also is his very freedom to decide, you cannot force anybody to have this yet so simple threatment anyway, but what you can do is make people aware of different views - just like people do in some states to get abortion, they have to talk to advisers and satisfy they are aware of the consequences outside their own frame of thoughts. A pitty, simply..
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I just can't beleive you said that. Are you serious? Yes the boy would have lived.
Maybe, maybe not. I agree he should have had the treatment, but people die all the time from simple procedures. There was a person in our area who died after having a mole removed. Anesthesia isn't always predictable, or a person could have a reaction to the cure itself.
Maybe, maybe not. I agree he should have had the treatment, but people die all the time from simple procedures. There was a person in our area who died after having a mole removed. Anesthesia isn't always predictable, or a person could have a reaction to the cure itself.
Why do you agree he should have had the treatment then?
You acknowledge what is wrong in this case yet choose to defend it.
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Why do you agree he should have had the treatment then?
You acknowledge what is wrong in this case yet choose to defend it.
I say that he should have had the treatment, because children deserve every opportunity to live a healthy, normal, secure life. And do I know for sure the treatment would have worked, no I don't. I do know that some cases show that even minor treatments don't go the way they should. I don't defend the parents at all, and I certainly don't defend a state that allows a 16 to make a life altering decision. But do I know for sure a doctor could have saved him, no I don't.
I say that he should have had the treatment, because children deserve every opportunity to live a healthy, normal, secure life. And do I know for sure the treatment would have worked, no I don't. I do know that some cases show that even minor treatments don't go the way they should. I don't defend the parents at all, and I certainly don't defend a state that allows a 16 to make a life altering decision. But do I know for sure a doctor could have saved him, no I don't.
The fact that there is a small chance that the child would have died even with medical treatment is completely irrelevant then, so why make that point?
The fact that there is a small chance that the child would have died even with medical treatment is completely irrelevant then, so why make that point?
Why do you make the points that you make? Because you believe them to valid. I responded to the poster who said that the child would have survived. That isn't always the case. And as you are entitled, so am I. Bless you.
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I just can't beleive you said that. Are you serious? Yes the boy would have lived.
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