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Old 6th April 2008, 6:40 PM   #1
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what's the problem with stem cell research?

Go the idea for this from another thread, so thanks sb129.
The vatican, in their finite wisdom, have now included participating in stem cell research as a sin. And I know that George W has also made it difficult for publicly funded medical research in this area.
I am amazed, as it is an area which holds such promise, and at the very least, stem cells give people who have depleted bone marrow reserves (due to chemo or leukemia) a fighting chance. Not too mention all of the other possible uses for these flexible cells (MS, cancers, etc.).
I suspect it is because some people erroneously think that the only source of stem cells are aborted fetuses. This is NOT the case!
Right after my son was born, they harvested stem cells from the umbilical cord, after it was cut (they used a syringe directly into the part of the cord that was still attached to me, before the placenta detached). Nobody was hurt, it was quick and painless, and these same cells are on dry ice in a lab (rent paid by me) so that if, god forbid, he needs marrow, there is a match. And possibly for me, his sister, his dad. More likely to work than looking for a donor. And less invasive.
So why do certain religious groups have a problem with this?
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Old 6th April 2008, 6:45 PM   #2
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Stem cell research has incredible possibilities. Why any organized religious entity would have difficulty with using to the maximum, the "God given ability of intelligence", truly defeats me. I'm 100% certain, that God did not bring forth a babbling prophet, so the Church could deem it a sin....
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Old 6th April 2008, 6:51 PM   #3
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My cousin was paralyzed by a road side bomb in Iraq, and the very government he served will not allow the research that could lead to him regaining his ability to walk. Its frustrating. I'm hoping to see some changes in the next few years.
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Old 6th April 2008, 7:12 PM   #4
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I'm starting to wonder when getting a blood transfusion will be against the law! As it is with the jehovahs. Another thing I can't get my head around.
And sorry about your cousin LB. Horrible. I hope it changes sooner than in a few years.
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Old 6th April 2008, 7:16 PM   #5
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I suspect it is because some people erroneously think that the only source of stem cells are aborted fetuses.
This is my guess why some people are against stem cell research.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I am proud to say that last week I signed a petition to help try and make SCR legal in my state.
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Old 6th April 2008, 7:36 PM   #6
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This is my guess why some people are against stem cell research.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I am proud to say that last week I signed a petition to help try and make SCR legal in my state.
Very good for you! I hope it makes a difference.
So why are so many people misinformed? Ignorance, or should I smell a rat?
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Old 6th April 2008, 8:11 PM   #7
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Very good for you! I hope it makes a difference.
So why are so many people misinformed? Ignorance, or should I smell a rat?
I think that once the words "aborted baby" are mentioned that those who are opposed to abortion automatically refuse to consider SCR as anything beneficial and refuse to listen to the alternatives.
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I think that once the words "aborted baby" are mentioned that those who are opposed to abortion automatically refuse to consider SCR as anything beneficial and refuse to listen to the alternatives.

Absolutely. I think that stem cell research could be the answer to so many diseases.
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Old 6th April 2008, 8:32 PM   #9
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I neither support nor oppose. I am Catholic, yet I also sympathise with the people who it will benefit from it. Like LB's cousin for instance. I would be incredibly heartless to say he should accept he can no longer walk because it is against what God wishes, just because the Pope says so I really hope it happens for him LB.
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I neither support nor oppose. I am Catholic, yet I also sympathise with the people who it will benefit from it. Like LB's cousin for instance. I would be incredibly heartless to say he should accept he can no longer walk because it is against what God wishes, just because the Pope says so I really hope it happens for him LB.
Your response troubles me. WHY would you not support?
I'm Catholic as well, but I don't leave my brain at the door when I go to mass. How does SCR hurt anyone, or contravene the belief in right to life? Do I not have the right to question the decisions of the Pope/vatican? Aye, there's the rub ... no I don't. They supposedly have the ear of god, and therefore his wisdom. I wish I could believe it.
As I have already said, from personal, physical experience, you can harvest stem cells without harming life. Why have the leaders of our church decided that this is a sin? It makes NO sense.
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Your response troubles me. WHY would you not support?
I'm Catholic as well, but I don't leave my brain at the door when I go to mass. How does SCR hurt anyone, or contravene the belief in right to life? Do I not have the right to question the decisions of the Pope/vatican? Aye, there's the rub ... no I don't. They supposedly have the ear of god, and therefore his wisdom. I wish I could believe it.
As I have already said, from personal, physical experience, you can harvest stem cells without harming life. Why have the leaders of our church decided that this is a sin? It makes NO sense.
You have every right to question the decisions of the Pope. As I do to follow them. Other than that I have nothing further to give to the discussion other than what I already posted.
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My cousin was paralyzed by a road side bomb in Iraq, and the very government he served will not allow the research that could lead to him regaining his ability to walk. Its frustrating. I'm hoping to see some changes in the next few years.
The very government that ignored "Thou shall not kill" while acclaiming to be a 'nation under god'. How do you people put up with this hypocrisy?
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Old 28th May 2008, 1:49 PM   #13
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I don't think the Church is against stem cell research at all. As long as it's not harming any other life.

What the Church is worried about is SCR becoming justification for one to abort their child's life.....that's all, that's it....end of thread....
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Old 28th May 2008, 7:11 PM   #14
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The best source on the opinion of the Catholic Church is the vatican.
How many people here actually know what it is?

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/se...loning_en.html
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2) There are two potential sources of stem cells for human research, firstly "adult" stem cells, which are derived from the umbilical cord blood, the bone marrow and other tissues and secondly "embryonic" stem cells, which are obtained by the disaggregation of human embryos. The Holy See opposes the cloning of human embryos for the purpose of destroying them in order to harvest their stem cells, even for a noble purpose, because it is inconsistent with the ground and motive of human biomedical research, that is, respect for the dignity of human beings. However, the Holy See applauds and encourages research using adult stem cells, because it is completely compatible with respect for the dignity of human beings. The unexpected plasticity of adult stem cells has made it possible to use this type of undifferentiated, self-renewing cell successfully for the healing of various human tissues and organs, (1) particularly in hearts damaged after myocardial infarction. (2) The multiple therapeutic achievements that have been demonstrated using adult stem cells, and the promise they hold for other diseases, such as neurodegenerative disorders or diabetes, make efforts to support this fruitful avenue of investigation an urgent matter (3). Above all, it is universally agreed that the use of adult stem cells does not entail any ethical problems.

3) By contrast, research using human embryonic stem cells has been hampered by important technical difficulties (4). Embryonic stem cell experiments have not yet produced a single unqualified therapeutic success, not even in animal models (5). Moreover, embryonic stem cells have caused tumor in animal models (6) and might seed cancer if administered to human patients (7). Unless these grave hazards are removed, embryonic stem cell experiments would not have any clinical application (8). Technical problems aside, the need to extract these cells from living human embryos raises ethical questions of the highest order.
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Old 28th May 2008, 7:23 PM   #15
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Here is a better article on the subject.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/po...minali_en.html

The authors are very well informed.
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