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Hey lonelybird (or any other believer who would care to post), how do you explain Plasmodium? Plasmodium is the parasite that causes malaria. Malaria kills millions of people each year, most of them children. 3,000 chldren get malaria every day. It has killed more people than all wars and all other plagues COMBINED.
You see, Plasmodium has DNA, the same building block shared by all life. If, as has been advanced on other thread that DNA similarity is the result of a common designer, then god designed a form of life that kills children, and does so very effectively. Why would an omnibenevolent god do this?
If Satan is responsible for disease, why did he use the same "stuff" god did? Is DNA the only thing that a superbeing can use? Why?
How is it that humans evolved to combat malaria? If one has a propensity for sickle-cell anemia, one is more resistant to malaria. Sickle-cell anemia is itself deadly, but a person with it lives on average into their 40s, long enough to reproduce, and much longer than if he or she had contracted malaria. If evolution doesn't happen, that would mean that god gave some people a chance at surviving malaria denied others. Why?
Why does malaria mutate so readily? It develops quickly to attempts to eradicate it, and a vaccine has been evasive. The only effective measure is to kill the mosquito, an intermediate host to the parasite.
If disease is punishment for sin, why does it effect children more than adults? What sin can a child under 5 years old possibly commit that would engender a horrible, painful death? Also, if we are sinful and deserve punishment, isn't it against god's will to try and find a way to combat malaria--his favorite punishment?
Which is a more effective treatment for malaria--prayer or medical treatment? Why?
It would be an extremely tight fit. (sorry that was too obvious)
The bible has some reference to dragons and other monsters. Not that anyone had ever seen one. Dragons and monsters are common imaginative creations of all cultures. If you want to rationalize the bible to fit with the dinosaurs, you could do it that way.
And as to your link lovely,.....
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Most people believe the fossil record does support evolution because they are told this by others who confuse wishful thinking with facts.
The same can be said for the way creationists object to Evolution. For some reason, people have an issue with being "of monkeys". For some reason it's an insult. Why is that?
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Hey lonelybird (or any other believer who would care to post), how do you explain Plasmodium? Plasmodium is the parasite that causes malaria. Malaria kills millions of people each year, most of them children. 3,000 chldren get malaria every day. It has killed more people than all wars and all other plagues COMBINED.
You see, Plasmodium has DNA, the same building block shared by all life. If, as has been advanced on other thread that DNA similarity is the result of a common designer, then god designed a form of life that kills children, and does so very effectively. Why would an omnibenevolent god do this?
If Satan is responsible for disease, why did he use the same "stuff" god did? Is DNA the only thing that a superbeing can use? Why?
How is it that humans evolved to combat malaria? If one has a propensity for sickle-cell anemia, one is more resistant to malaria. Sickle-cell anemia is itself deadly, but a person with it lives on average into their 40s, long enough to reproduce, and much longer than if he or she had contracted malaria. If evolution doesn't happen, that would mean that god gave some people a chance at surviving malaria denied others. Why?
Why does malaria mutate so readily? It develops quickly to attempts to eradicate it, and a vaccine has been evasive. The only effective measure is to kill the mosquito, an intermediate host to the parasite.
If disease is punishment for sin, why does it effect children more than adults? What sin can a child under 5 years old possibly commit that would engender a horrible, painful death? Also, if we are sinful and deserve punishment, isn't it against god's will to try and find a way to combat malaria--his favorite punishment?
Which is a more effective treatment for malaria--prayer or medical treatment? Why?
Disease isn't always a punishment for sin. I believe, that things happen for so many different reasons, that it is always going to be hard to box them up in a neat little package. I feel the way you do about children dying every day from preventable things. But shouldn't we hold the people responsible who could put a stop to this tragedy(Drug companies who could easily end this, but they put profits ahead of lives, or the governments who put power above human life). I also believe that things happen, to see how we as people handle them( we are screwing up big time)New Orleans, poverty in the US & world, letting criminals roam the streets, the destruction of our planet. There are no easy answers. As a Christian, I screw up so royally daily, but I keep trying to get it right.
I wish sometimes that I knew all the answers, but that is where the faith comes in. Maybe these children are being saved from a life of constant war,famine or watching family members dying of AIDS and being left as orphans. I don't know.
But shouldn't we hold the people responsible who could put a stop to this tragedy
Of course we should, it is our only opinion. Basically, if there is a god then IT, we, and nature are responsible. If there is not, then nature and we are responsible.
You can absolve god of responsibility if you believe.
I wish sometimes that I knew all the answers, but that is where the faith comes in. Maybe these children are being saved from a life of constant war,famine or watching family members dying of AIDS and being left as orphans. I don't know.
I am speechless... Do you realize the implications of such a statement?
I read through a bunch of stuff on the links the OP posted. Aside from the fact that the amount of ignorance and misinformation there started to make my brain hurt I find it totally disheartening that people can actually believe that crap.
Let me point out that even the Vatican accepts evolution and the scientifically established time line of earth because even they have realized that the evidence for this is completely overwhelming.
I am speechless... Do you realize the implications of such a statement?
I read through a bunch of stuff on the links the OP posted. Aside from the fact that the amount of ignorance and misinformation there started to make my brain hurt I find it totally disheartening that people can actually believe that crap.
Let me point out that even the Vatican accepts evolution and the scientifically established time line of earth because even they have realized that the evidence for this is completely overwhelming.
What that I wish that I had all the answers. Or that I look for reasons of different things and except that I will never know. Please clarify.
Let me point out that even the Vatican accepts evolution and the scientifically established time line of earth because even they have realized that the evidence for this is completely overwhelming.
Yeah well a lot of fundamentalist christians believe that catholics are going to hell, so there ya go. Makes a pantsfull of sense, doesn't it?
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Maybe these children are being saved from a life of constant war,famine or watching family members dying of AIDS and being left as orphans. I don't know.
So its god the euthanizer now?
Sorry but evoking that it is gods will that certain groups of people should die is kind of sick and is on a really slippery slope. There are also more than enough people out there who think they are also doing some gods will.
Yeah well a lot of fundamentalist christians believe that catholics are going to hell, so there ya go. Makes a pantsfull of sense, doesn't it?
I don't think religion makes any sense anyways... But I find it really disturbing when people try to convolute obvious facts in nature to try and fit something like dinosaurs into the old testament. It is like saying a car runs because under the hood there is a demon on a treadmill.
So its god the euthanizer now?
Sorry but evoking that it is gods will that certain groups of people should die is kind of sick and is on a really slippery slope. There are also more than enough people out there who think they are also doing some gods will.
As a non believer, I have no answers that will satisfy you. I never envoked anyone, I answered a question and stated that I didn't know. I offered a possibility and that's the end of it.
I've asked this before and I'll ask it again: WHY CAN'T GOD BRING ABOUT LIFE THROUGH EVOLUTION??? I mean, he's God, what's wrong with him being a bit creative about how he accomplishes things?
I just don't see why one has to spend so much time on a battle where there doesn't need to be one.
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Can dinosaur fit in Bible?
(sorry that was too obvious)
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