A person who spent 43 years in the Catholic faith, nearly joined an order of nuns, and studied theology?
You talkin' to me?
Meh...!
I wasn't defining the word 'Faith' as per a dictionary...I was defining the word faith as per its usage when discussing fact and fiction.
But ok, I'll play your game.....
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Originally Posted by mbeewood
Reason and faith are not mutually exclusive, and that is where you fail epically. You don't even know what the true definition of faith here. Here, let me help you.
faith
–noun 1.confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
The 'faith' used in the bible and throughout christian history has always been 'trust in God.' It has never meant 'blind belief' or 'belief in something without evidence.' That's just what nonbelievers have tried to change it to to make religious people look stupid or gullible.
we don't need to make them 'try' to look like anything. They do a pretty good job of it themselves....
Odd you should use the word 'trust'...it bears me out......
Ok, my go.....
From the Greater Oxford English Dictionary 35th Edition:
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trust
• noun 1 firm belief in the reliability, truth, ability, or strength of someone or something. 2 acceptance of the truth of a statement without evidence or investigation.
and as a verb:
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• verb 1: have trust in. 2: (trust with) have the confidence to allow (someone) to have, use, or look after. 3: (trust to) commit (someone or something) to the safekeeping of. 4: (trust, to) place reliance on (luck, fate, etc.). 5 have confidence; hope: I trust that you have enjoyed this book.
So actually, I was absolutely spot-on....
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The fact is, 'reason' does not contradict christian belief in any way shape or form, and you really need to get more educated in this subject before you start making posts on the internet and trying to act like some philosopher.
Reason is in essence, the very thing which flies in the face of religious zealots. It's something which they find deeply threatening and disturbing.....
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...But why is it, when it comes to living, we always put Reason before Blind faith in every facet of our lives (school, learning, math, our jobs, everything) UNTIL it comes to Religion, then it gets thrown out the window, and this is perfectly acceptable to the majorty of the human race ??
I'm not Religious, but I do have faith - so I can't really speak to your question directly - however, I do believe that faith and reason can definitely coexist with no special amount of weight given one or the other the majority of the time.
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I dont know many people who literally believe in God in the Christian fundamentalist sense, but I see them on TV a lot
Oh, well that would be 90 percent of my family. I too had the same loss of faith upon being exposed to hard sciences and other compelling information instead of the christian approved stuff I'd been fed my whole life. I now stand where I don't feel I can say we don't have a creator in some sense, but it is too far fetched to be the creator I was taught or the other god alternatives I felt I had to look to to fill the void.
My family and I cannot comfortably have even idle chitchat as their faith is a strict filter through which all other information must be passed through to be credible and acceptable. The last time I tried to converse with my mother, she told me the topic was likely so trumped up that no one else knew of it. I told her it was on 20/20 last week; a long standing show on a major TV network.....
She suddenly needed to get off the phone.
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A person who spent 43 years in the Catholic faith, nearly joined an order of nuns, and studied theology?
You talkin' to me?
I wasn't defining the word 'Faith' as per a dictionary...I was defining the word faith as per its usage when discussing fact and fiction.
But ok, I'll play your game.....
we don't need to make them 'try' to look like anything. They do a pretty good job of it themselves....
Odd you should use the word 'trust'...it bears me out......
Ok, my go.....
From the Greater Oxford English Dictionary 35th Edition: trust
• noun 1 firm belief in the reliability, truth, ability, or strength of someone or something. 2 acceptance of the truth of a statement without evidence or investigation.
That definition of faith has nothing to do with religion, so then why is the OP and everyone else here discussing religion in a topic that has nothing to do with religion?
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Reason is in essence, the very thing which flies in the face of religious zealots. It's something which they find deeply threatening and disturbing.....
The only things you listed that aren't reasonable are the stories of the dude in the whale, Noah being 900 years old and "no dinosaurs", because those are just old stories.
God, Heaven, Hell, No Dinosaurs, Virgin Birth, and Coming Back From The Dead do not fail any sort of "reason test." And again, an atheist gets the definition of "faith" wrong.
The fact that you think the creation story is some sort of important belief that every christian holds is a joke.
LOL????????????
Your kidding!
I've have come to the conclusion that your delusional beliefs have you fighting for air while the vacuum of science reduces your intelligence to lame posts like this.
Truly amazing,
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because faith fills in the gaps that reason cannot explain
But faith is arbitrary - it has no foundation - it may appear to fill the gaps but cannot do so in a meaningful way.
PS If one defines faith, as TaraMaiden seems to do, to mean confidence in a position based on reasoning, then there is no contradiction between faith and reason. But in the sense that alphamale appears to use faith, they appear to be polar opposites. My remark above is based on the definition of faith that I think alphamale is using.
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