That damned weight issue.

[brainygirl]

I've noticed a lot of trouble with reading comprehension around here.

 

I think half the people who post are high and a good percent of the others are just dumb.

[theBrokenMuse]

I think half the people who post are high and a good percent of the others are just dumb.

When I first started posting here I thought this forum was comprised of mainly kids with a few really cool people mixed in. I was wrong. Don't get me wrong, there are some really cool people but I was shocked to find out how old some of the posters are...

Edited August 13, 2010 by theBrokenMuse

[InceptorsRule]

Fat FATTTT fatt fat fat fat fatt! Ill say the word I don't care doesn't bother me to a grain of salt because its a word its a label thats all it doesn't represent all of me who I am as a person. Heck you can call me bozo the clown if it works for you at the end of the day won't change me as a person one bit.

 

 

If the clown shoes fit, wear 'em.

[MrNate]

I think Kim Khardashian is a good example.

 

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.drfunkenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/kim4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://kimkardashian510.typepad.com/blog/2010/06/kim-kardashian-1.html&h=649&w=434&sz=122&tbnid=2K-1sGVwThRHeM:&tbnh=137&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkim%2Bkardashian&usg=__6roFNjOr7h5_7DhZc-3r36jXV5s=&sa=X&ei=aJBkTNjuBIT68Aa2o6HGCA&ved=0CCIQ9QEwAQ

 

While she is definitely aesthetically pleasing, I can't help but wonder if with the accentuated hips/ass/boobs, if she's overweight. I don't think overweight translates into being fat every time. I guess you also have to consider how you store the weight.

[dispatch3d]

this bmi crap is blah. You either have a few extra pounds or you don't. If you have a few extra, you COULD lose it if you decided it was an issue for you. If it isn't an issue you wouldn't bother losing it. If the comments bother you that much, lose the weight. Stop acting like your some huge victim of society out to fix all things right. Society isn't changing.

[Els]

this bmi crap is blah. You either have a few extra pounds or you don't. If you have a few extra, you COULD lose it if you decided it was an issue for you. If it isn't an issue you wouldn't bother losing it. If the comments bother you that much, lose the weight. Stop acting like your some huge victim of society out to fix all things right. Society isn't changing.

 

So who decides what the optimum number of pounds is? You, based on looks? What if losing those pounds gains aesthetic appeal in your eyes but would actually be medically unhealthy for a woman?

 

If you think BMI is crap, come up with better medical methods to determine optimal body mass. If you can't, you're merely being the grade school kid proclaiming that arithmetic is crap and whoever invented it was dumb.

 

Thanks for at least putting up a relevant opinion though.

[Els]

I think half the people who post are high and a good percent of the others are just dumb.

 

I've noticed a lot of trouble with reading comprehension around here.

 

Haha they are completely ignoring your post

 

True. I should probably just report my own thread to the mods and be done with it.

[Lorelai]

True. I should probably just report my own thread to the mods and be done with it.

 

Yeah, I did notice a lot of reading comprehension issues too on this thread.

 

My sister suffered from anorexia as a teenager -- she was 5'0 and was hospitalized at 82 lbs, they finally released her when she gained to 94. She thought she was hugely fat because she had fuller hips and thighs than she thought was appropriate -- there wasn't enough light showing in between her thighs for her to see herself as thin.

 

Suggesting women like Kim Kardashian are overweight -- she is 5'2 and when she weighed 124 people were suggesting she was fat -- does not help anyone's body image at all. That was her highest weight according to what I've read, and that puts her at a 22.7 BMI. She was a size 6. And people made a huge deal over her losing 15 lbs, down to a size 2. She's not unhealthy even at a size 2, and so I think it's her choice, but saying that a beautiful feminine woman with curves who is most certainly not medically even considered overweight is "fat" contributes to girls developing distorted body images.

 

It's sad.

[WintersNightTraveler]

To answer the original post...

 

5'2 or 5'3 and around 115 sounds pretty attractive and healthy to me. I also usually find 5'2 and 105 lbs attractive. (This is what I'm guestimating your original numbers were, before your parents went ballistic). 5'2 130 is about where it would generally start turning me off.

 

Weight distribution can make a big difference but those are decent rules of thumb for me.

 

As far as "imposing their aesthetic 'standards' on women and disguising it under the concern of 'health'. Why?"...

 

I don't really think there's a great why. It's just what I'm attracted to and I don't really try to change it. I don't like fighting tides either.

 

I don't consider myself as having a double standard because I'm at least as hard on myself and because I also evaluate other men's fitness. Of course I don't care as much about other guys as I do about myself or women, but that's just because they don't factor into my sex life. It's not as if I am not aware of what kind of shape they're in. I do think there is a double standard generally, certainly in the average to somewhat chubby range. Above that range, less of a double standard, since fat guys can have it really rough too.

 

What else were you looking for in the thread?

Edited August 13, 2010 by WintersNightTraveler

[zengirl]

Here's a question for the OP: I'm actually curious after reading all this.

 

Do you get offended if someone likes thinner gals aesthetically and won't date anyone else, but makes no aspersions or judgments about the health of anyone with a healthy BMI/lifestyle/etc i.e. likes what they like and doesn't make it about health.

 

I know that's pretty much how I fall, but I'm a thin woman who sees myself as thin, so I've really no emotional or personal reason to take offense. The health thing bothers me, because I understand how illogical it is.

 

FWIW, I don't agree that BMI is a magic health number, but I'm not sure that's what you were trying to say either. Appearance certainly isn't any better of a judge.

[MrNate]

Here's a question for the OP: I'm actually curious after reading all this.

 

Do you get offended if someone likes thinner gals aesthetically and won't date anyone else, but makes no aspersions or judgments about the health of anyone with a healthy BMI/lifestyle/etc i.e. likes what they like and doesn't make it about health.

 

I know that's pretty much how I fall, but I'm a thin woman who sees myself as thin, so I've really no emotional or personal reason to take offense. The health thing bothers me, because I understand how illogical it is.

 

FWIW, I don't agree that BMI is a magic health number, but I'm not sure that's what you were trying to say either. Appearance certainly isn't any better of a judge.

 

Same thing I'm wondering.

[that girl]

I think Kim Khardashian is a good example.

 

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While she is definitely aesthetically pleasing, I can't help but wonder if with the accentuated hips/ass/boobs, if she's overweight. I don't think overweight translates into being fat every time. I guess you also have to consider how you store the weight.

If you look at Kim Kardasian and think she might be overweight (rather than not just your type) you have some pretty interesting ideas about health. I would be shocked if her BMI was over 25 and her hip to waist ratio (another health indicator) is definitely below 0.7.

 

Do you get offended if someone likes thinner gals aesthetically and won't date anyone else, but makes no aspersions or judgments about the health of anyone with a healthy BMI/lifestyle/etc i.e. likes what they like and doesn't make it about health.

I think the real question is why would someone tell you that you're heavier than they would like to date. I can see why someone would describe who they are attracted to in any actual thread about what their type is or when looking for a date online. In those situations I think people do need to realize everyone has different types.

 

But this thread has a whole lot of posts from people saying how disgusted they are by anyone who isn't their ideal. Its the Internet, so it shouldn't be taken too seriously, but people should have some manners in real life.

[Els]

Here's a question for the OP: I'm actually curious after reading all this.

 

Do you get offended if someone likes thinner gals aesthetically and won't date anyone else, but makes no aspersions or judgments about the health of anyone with a healthy BMI/lifestyle/etc i.e. likes what they like and doesn't make it about health.

 

I know that's pretty much how I fall, but I'm a thin woman who sees myself as thin, so I've really no emotional or personal reason to take offense. The health thing bothers me, because I understand how illogical it is.

 

FWIW, I don't agree that BMI is a magic health number, but I'm not sure that's what you were trying to say either. Appearance certainly isn't any better of a judge.

 

I don't get offended personally, no. Although I do believe that the general aesthetic preference is a good bit below the healthy weight range, and I feel sad that it has to be so. But life is life, some guys screw their health over trying to get ripped for women's aesthetic pleasure as well. I was, mostly, just musing that if sexual preferences stem from evolution, should man not have evolved to prefer women within healthy childbearing weight rather than below (or above, but that's rare) it? And how the 'thin craze' came about?

 

I don't agree that BMI is a 'magic health number' either, but without professional intervention and calculation, it is probably the easiest way the average layman or woman can gauge his/her healthiness in relation to body mass. Aesthetics is definitely not the best way, and body fat measurement is not easy or accessible or possible without a professional.

 

What I do get offended/annoyed about are people who actually prefer thinness purely as an aesthetic thing, but insist on themselves being medically correct while plucking 'medical facts' and 'statistics' out of their asses. As in, "I like women to look like Megan Fox" is fine, "All women should look like Megan Fox because she's fit and healthy and anyone who's size 10 and above is medically obese" is not.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

If the clown shoes fit, wear 'em.

I seam to have lost mine may I borrow yours? ill need the nose too thanks Edited August 13, 2010 by SpanksTheMonkey

[zengirl]

I think the real question is why would someone tell you that you're heavier than they would like to date. I can see why someone would describe who they are attracted to in any actual thread about what their type is or when looking for a date online. In those situations I think people do need to realize everyone has different types.

 

But this thread has a whole lot of posts from people saying how disgusted they are by anyone who isn't their ideal. Its the Internet, so it shouldn't be taken too seriously, but people should have some manners in real life.

 

I've never told someone more than "I'm not attracted to you" in real life unless they asked me why. Even then, I probably wouldn't tell them unless they were ceaselessly persistent. I don't see why stating a preference, in a general conversation, is impolite, and I'd probably do that in real life if the topic came up. I think "disgusted" is a bit ridiculous though.

 

I don't get offended personally, no. Although I do believe that the general aesthetic preference is a good bit below the healthy weight range, and I feel sad that it has to be so. But life is life, some guys screw their health over trying to get ripped for women's aesthetic pleasure as well. I was, mostly, just musing that if sexual preferences stem from evolution, should man not have evolved to prefer women within healthy childbearing weight rather than below (or above, but that's rare) it? And how the 'thin craze' came about?

 

How does any craze come about? Who really knows? I mean Audrey Hepburn felt self-conscious about her figure her whole life, but she'd do just fine today (She did in her day too but she was one of the first). Beauty evolves. And really has almost nothing to do with health or procreation, except in extreme outliers. But, to play Devil's advocate a bit, why should it? I mean, loads of the things people care about in dating has nothing to do with health? Plenty of people's favorite things and habits throughout time are/were unhealthy. I mean, smoking used to be sexy! Even after people had reason to suspect it was killing them.

 

I don't agree that BMI is a 'magic health number' either, but without professional intervention and calculation, it is probably the easiest way the average layman or woman can gauge his/her healthiness in relation to body mass. Aesthetics is definitely not the best way, and body fat measurement is not easy or accessible or possible without a professional.

 

Probably true. I tend to prefer things I can "feel" (for instance, running up 6 flights of stairs and seeing how that makes me feel, or the feelings I get after eating a bad or good meal), but I tend to be a yoga-doing, meditating, in-touch with my body New-Age-y weirdo in this way.

 

What I do get offended/annoyed about are people who actually prefer thinness purely as an aesthetic thing, but insist on themselves being medically correct while plucking 'medical facts' and 'statistics' out of their asses. As in, "I like women to look like Megan Fox" is fine, "All women should look like Megan Fox because she's fit and healthy and anyone who's size 10 and above is medically obese" is not.

 

That's what I figured. And, yes, I agree that is silly.

[Chocolat]

What I do get offended/annoyed about are people who actually prefer thinness purely as an aesthetic thing, but insist on themselves being medically correct while plucking 'medical facts' and 'statistics' out of their asses. As in, "I like women to look like Megan Fox" is fine, "All women should look like Megan Fox because she's fit and healthy and anyone who's size 10 and above is medically obese" is not.

 

Asserting that a size 10 is medically obese is every bit as valid (or not) as saying that BMI "is probably the easiest way the average layman or woman can gauge his/her healthiness in relation to body mass."

 

Seems you only like the generalizations you make.

[InceptorsRule]

I think the real question is why would someone tell you that you're heavier than they would like to date.

 

I assume someone who says this to another person is telling them this, because it's the truth. (What other reason could there be?)

 

It is conceivable that there are some people out there in the "dating world" who actually place a value on telling the other person the truth about why they don't want to date them.

 

The truth. What a concept.

[InceptorsRule]

I was, mostly, just musing that if sexual preferences stem from evolution, should man not have evolved to prefer women within healthy childbearing weight rather than below (or above, but that's rare) it?

 

 

Actually, most men do have exactly that preference.

 

 

And how the 'thin craze' came about?

 

The "thin craze" (whatever that is--the U.S. is in the midst of an "obesity craze" not a thin craze) is an artifact of the high fashion industry, and the aesthetics of the high fashion industry are primarily governed by women and gay men, not by heterosexual men. The vast vast majority of heterosexual men couldn't care less about fashion(s). That's why probably at least 9 out of 10 heterosexual guys don't even know what a dress size signifies.

 

I've been with my wife for 20 years and I don't have a clue what her actual dress size is. I've never asked her and I've never sneaked a peak. I wouldn't even know where to look--is there a label inside the dress somewhere, like with a man's dress shirt? I don't know what my wife weighs either. She's definitely not "skinny" not even close, there's plenty of her to "hold onto," but to me she looks like probably a pretty typical

"soccer mom" middle aged women who's had three kids and breast fed them, does not really do any exercise or calorie restriction, but is reasonably active during the day; enjoys her food but is not a compulsive glutton either. IOW a completely "normal" person.

 

 

 

I don't agree that BMI is a 'magic health number' either, but without professional intervention and calculation, it is probably the easiest way the average layman or woman can gauge his/her healthiness in relation to body mass. Aesthetics is definitely not the best way, and body fat measurement is not easy or accessible or possible without a professional.

 

It depends on what your aesthetic standards are. There is a bit of a misnomer here and I don't know how much of it is deliberate. But when MOST guys complain about "fat chicks" and not wanting date them, they are for the most part NOT talking about a girl who is say only 10 pounds over whatever her "ideal aesthetic" weight is. They are talking about women who are noticeably overweight even with their clothes on, women who are say 20 pounds or more oveweight (depending on frame size).

 

A person in reasonably good shape can add say 10 pounds of fat and it really won't be that noticeable to someone else for the most part. You'll lose some muscle definition and maybe you will increase a pants size or two or a dress size or two.

 

A notch or two extra on a man's belt, one or perhaps two extra dress sizes, is NOT what this is "all about." If we were only talking about 10 or 15 pounds overweight, then the whole thing wouldn't even be an issue. Because most healthy people can knock off ten or fifteen pounds if they want to in two or three months just by exercising a little bit more, eating more healthy, and not being overly gluttonous.

 

We are talking about people who are SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN ten or fifteen pounds overweight, for a prolonged period of time, i.e. habitually as a direct consequence of psychological issues and/or poor personal habits of diet, exercise, and lack of self discipline. The obesity is a symptom.

 

This is NOT about Kim Kardashian (of all people) losing ten or fifteen pounds. Kim, in her "heavier" version, is what would have in the past been called "zaftig" but now "zaftig" like "curvy" has been misappropriated by the morbidly obese. Some women just have a more pronounced bust, hips, and butt due to their build and genetics. What you DON'T see on Kim is a bunch of FLAB. (And if she was too flabby, didn't she decide to pretty easily knock off the ten or fifteen pounds? That's the point.)

 

LOL if you don't believe that 95% of guys COULD NOT CARE LESS if a woman was ten pounds beyond her "ideal" aesthetic weight. The threads where guys are complaining about their overweight spouses all are where the woman has become ridiculously obese and lazy and angry and defensive about it, and won't do anything to change, no matter what.

 

 

 

 

 

What I do get offended/annoyed about are people who actually prefer thinness purely as an aesthetic thing, but insist on themselves being medically correct while plucking 'medical facts' and 'statistics' out of their asses.

 

Yes, but that's because you're deliberately trying to include the actual issue, which is truly obese women, with girls who might be ten or even 15 pounds beyond the ideal weight--which 95% or more of guys could not care less about.

 

 

As in, "I like women to look like Megan Fox" is fine, "All women should look like Megan Fox because she's fit and healthy and anyone who's size 10 and above is medically obese" is not.

 

LOL. As I told you above, and you're probably aware of anyway, the vast majority of heterosexual guys DO NOT evaluate women in terms of their "dress size." Because we don't even know what those are! That's a thing that you women do to each other. "Oh she's a size two, blah blah blah blah blah, she ate a grape, now she's a size four." My wife actually was laughing because she heard two of the local gossips (women of course) talking about yet a third woman, who happens to be slender, (too slender for my tastes actually) because she's a runner, yet these two jealous women had nothing better to do.

[that girl]

I think the real question is why would someone tell you that you're heavier than they would like to date.

I think the real question is why would someone tell you that you're heavier than they would like to date.

I assume someone who says this to another person is telling them this, because it's the truth. (What other reason could there be?)

 

It is conceivable that there are some people out there in the "dating world" who actually place a value on telling the other person the truth about why they don't want to date them.

 

The truth. What a concept.

That isn't noble honesty, it is rudeness.

 

I always assume that a guy I find physically unattractive because of his weight, height, hairline, looks, etc. is a guy that another woman would be totally into. So why would I tell someone that I'm not attracted to them based on a physical feature that is impossible or difficult to change?

 

But when MOST guys complain about "fat chicks" and not wanting date them, they are for the most part NOT talking about a girl who is say only 10 pounds over whatever her "ideal aesthetic" weight is. They are talking about women who are noticeably overweight even with their clothes on, women who are say 20 pounds or more oveweight (depending on frame size).

 

Except this thread has tons of examples of guys saying women who are within the healthy weight range are unattractive. Right on this page WintersNightTraveler says that 5'2"/130 would turn him off. That is a totally valid preference, but 5'2"/130 is within the healthy weight range.

[Lorelai]

 

This is NOT about Kim Kardashian (of all people) losing ten or fifteen pounds. Kim, in her "heavier" version, is what would have in the past been called "zaftig" but now "zaftig" like "curvy" has been misappropriated by the morbidly obese. Some women just have a more pronounced bust, hips, and butt due to their build and genetics. What you DON'T see on Kim is a bunch of FLAB. (And if she was too flabby, didn't she decide to pretty easily knock off the ten or fifteen pounds? That's the point.)

 

LOL if you don't believe that 95% of guys COULD NOT CARE LESS if a woman was ten pounds beyond her "ideal" aesthetic weight.

 

Glad you and I agree here. It's truly sad that the fashion industry and the people who snap pictures of people like Kim in their heavier versions and say they have cellulite so they're "fat" cause girls to think that her heavier figure was bad, but you and I do both agree that such an assertion is absolutely ridiculous.

 

I also hope that you think the person who suggests 5'2 and 130 is going to be a dealbreaker to them is in the minority.

 

Yes, but that's because you're deliberately trying to include the actual issue, which is truly obese women, with girls who might be ten or even 15 pounds beyond the ideal weight--which 95% or more of guys could not care less about.

 

I assume you meant "exclude" since her very first post said she wasn't wanting to debate that obviously obese women were unattractive to some people. (I say some because while it may be a minority, some guys enjoy a woman who would be considered obese -- believe me, I know.)

 

My case isn't one of the ones the OP was discussing. I'm fat. No question. I've been a hell of a lot fatter than I am right now, and am still in the process of losing, but I have no illusions that even at my current weight I'm going to be attractive to the majority of men. (Haven't had trouble finding dates, but that's because honestly "hot" men aren't attractive to me, and I'm not trying to sound egotistical when I say this but I have a lot to offer anyone -- I'm intelligent, successful in my career, with a sense of humor and a caring nature.)

 

The reason I do not feel so badly about what I weigh right now is that I have been much heavier before, and the weight loss I have accomplished so far has made a significant difference in my health. Even just what I've lost since I started working out again after I gained back about 30 lbs due to FUBARing my knee has made a difference -- my knee feels a hell of a lot better not having that extra weight on it. (I've lost that 30 and a little bit more in the last year.) The more I lose, the better I will feel. And that's more motivation to me than whether or not I am going to look good in a bikini (because without cosmetic surgery, that's not going to happen even if I got down to Kim's BMI). Or whether I'm going to look good to men.

 

But I can understand the OP's frustration when a person gains 15 lbs and they get ripped on when even at the heavier weight they are still well within the healthy range. And she did mention it was more the women she knew who were ripping on her when that happened, not men. Thinking of the struggles my sister went through, I'm sure a lot of it was because of women making snide remarks, not men. And I'm sure a very significant contributing factor to her anorexia was that the women in our family are *all* overweight. When you haven't had healthy eating habits modeled in front of you, it can seem like an either-or situation: either eat and get fat, or don't eat at all.

[zengirl]

I think the real question is why would someone tell you that you're heavier than they would like to date.

 

Do you mean like walk up to people and call them fat?

Or create your own drive-by "Here's what's wrong with fat people" threads?

 

Because then I agree with you.

 

However, if you mean, give an honest, reasonably worded response to a question that's been asked. . . then, I don't see the issue. There are some plus-size girls in my group of friends (men and women) here, but one girl did decide she didn't like us because we openly spoke about weight and it bothered her. That's her thing. We never said she needed to lose weight or made any aspersions about the character of larger people. But I definitely have friends who talk about their own weight as it changes, whether they're thin or large, and I'll definitely speak with my friends about dating preferences if it comes up. I don't take offense if someone says they like small feet (I wear a size 8.5, which is gargantuan in Korea) or even only dates those women; I suppose I'd take offense if someone said women with big feet were disgusting. I wouldn't take it too personally, but I'd agree the person was being rude.

 

It's the same thing as the damn dress question. When I ask someone (a friend or a fellow I'm seeing), "How does this look?" I want to know how it really looks. I don't want to be told it looks amazing/fantastic/beautiful. Now, I don't want to be ridiculed or belittled either; some tact is needed, but if I look like a hot mess, for God's sake, please tell me if I ask. If I don't ask, it's none of your damn business. Though I don't mind if my family/close friends/SO still comment from time to time, because that's what we do.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

I think the real question is why would someone tell you that you're heavier than they would like to date.

That isn't noble honesty, it is rudeness.

 

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Totally agree they think its such a noble thing to be so HONEST well its not its just needlessly rude and people do take note of such things. "its just me telling it like it is" Is the slogan for almost every loud mouthed moron ive ever known.

 

Most people will usually try to walk away from those types before they even get a chance to open their potty mouths. Intelligent people can be both honest and tactful at the same time.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

Now for the life of me I couldn't find this to re quote so I just copied and pasted..

 

(But when MOST guys complain about "fat chicks" and not wanting date them, they are for the most part NOT talking about a girl who is say only 10 pounds over whatever her "ideal aesthetic" weight is. They are talking about women who are noticeably overweight even with their clothes on, women who are say 20 pounds or more oveweight (depending on frame size).

 

Not always true ive seen men on here call other wise healthy women fat ones who are prob only a good 15 pounds overweight max.They get bombarded just as much as women who are 50 pounds overweight. Maybe not by you personally but it dose happen.

 

Also what I don't get it why are men so very bitter when it comes to the subject of overweight women at all in the 1st place? If its not your thing don't date them and be done with it. They wouldn't be saying the same things about any other minority so why be so rude towards one?

 

Are men angry because the thin gorgeous women will not date them? Is there a serious shortage of thin women for guys? I just don't get the hostility. I don't care for cirtin things when I'm looking to date but I def wouldn't belittle those individuals ether! Men who go after nit pic and belittle overweight women really only show their own insecurities at the end of the day

[InceptorsRule]

I don't take offense if someone says they like small feet (I wear a size 8.5, which is gargantuan in Korea) or even only dates those women; I suppose I'd take offense if someone said women with big feet were disgusting. I wouldn't take it too personally, but I'd agree the person was being rude.

 

Your feet are obese and need to lose some weight.

[InceptorsRule]

Now for the life of me I couldn't find this to re quote so I just copied and pasted..

 

(But when MOST guys complain about "fat chicks" and not wanting date them, they are for the most part NOT talking about a girl who is say only 10 pounds over whatever her "ideal aesthetic" weight is. They are talking about women who are noticeably overweight even with their clothes on, women who are say 20 pounds or more oveweight (depending on frame size).

 

Not always true ive seen men on here call other wise healthy women fat ones who are prob only a good 15 pounds overweight max.They get bombarded just as much as women who are 50 pounds overweight. Maybe not by you personally but it dose happen.

 

I think most people can distinguish 15 from 50. Unless someone has an extremely petite frame 10 or even 15 extra isn't going to be a deal breaker for most men. 50 is 5x as much as 10 and more than 3x 15.

 

 

 

 

 

Also what I don't get it why are men so very bitter when it comes to the subject of overweight women at all in the 1st place? If its not your thing don't date them and be done with it. They wouldn't be saying the same things about any other minority so why be so rude towards one?

 

Maybe because it's kind of frustrating for guys who actually do like a lot of things about these overweight girls, and would really like to date them, but they're just turned off by the lack of fitness. They can't openly complain about it because the woman will get "hurt" and offended, but even worse, with attitudes that are expressed by a lot of these women, the men are supposed to "accept them for who they are" and they don't feel any need to get into better shape. Then the guys get accused by the overweight women of being "shallow" for wanting to date more attractive women. It's a no win situation for the guys.

 

 

Are men angry because the thin gorgeous women will not date them? Is there a serious shortage of thin women for guys? I just don't get the hostility.

 

Why do so many women want to make this issue about everything EXCEPT that these women are fat and that being overweight is unattractive to most people?

 

It would be so much simpler if you ladies would simply acknowledge "Yes I can see why lots of guys would prefer to date slender hot sexy chicks rather than sluggish obese nasty resentful fatties. Instead of blaming the men who want to logically enough date the hotties, why don't we simply counsel the fatties to get off their butts and lose the weight."

 

Gee--doing it that way means the fatties have to take responsibility for being fat and actually do something about it rather than direct their collective ire at men for preferring more attractive women.

 

 

 

I don't care for cirtin things when I'm looking to date but I def wouldn't belittle those individuals ether! Men who go after nit pic and belittle overweight women really only show their own insecurities at the end of the day

 

No, they show that they're observant of the obvious and discriminating. Your position which is a common one is actually ridiculous. A conniesuer of wine wants the best highest quality wine possible. A gourmet wants the best prime filet mignon not ground chuck. A connieseu of women wants the best available. Obese women are physically unattractive and psychologically unattractive because of their frequent insistence on blaming their problems on everyone but themselves leading to them never doing anything about it.