classof2014 Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 A lot of people have been telling me that girls like guys that are surgeons (im assuming rich ones especially). Is this true?
Sanman Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 Girls also like the wealth of Bill Gates with the abs of Brad Pitt. That is my suggestion.
D-Lish Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 A lot of people have been telling me that girls like guys that are surgeons (im assuming rich ones especially). Is this true? No such thing as a "poor surgeon":cool:
xpaperxcutx Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 Girls also like the wealth of Bill Gates with the abs of Brad Pitt. That is my suggestion. :lmao: Does Brad still have his abs? I don't care for doctors or surgeons unless their specialties are dermatology and plastic surgery. Even then I'll only have them on my speed dial for when I reach my prime. Bodybuilders are the rage right now, I love my men with broad sexy shoulders.... I would prefer a guy who has a passion for his job even if he makes medium income.
Sanman Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 No such thing as a "poor surgeon":cool: Sure there are...they are called interns/residents. What else would you call 50k/yr and 200k in debt? :lmao: Does Brad still have his abs? I don't care for doctors or surgeons unless their specialties are dermatology and plastic surgery. Even then I'll only have them on my speed dial for when I reach my prime. Bodybuilders are the rage right now, I love my men with broad sexy shoulders.... I would prefer a guy who has a passion for his job even if he makes medium income. Would you settle for a poor, soon to be doctor, former body builder/ personal trainer (college), with size 48 shoulders?
xpaperxcutx Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 Would you settle for a poor, soon to be doctor, former body builder/ personal trainer (college), with size 48 shoulders? I'm drooling already. :love: Do you have a referral?
Sanman Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 I would, but ethics prohibit me from self-referral. Sorry!
D-Lish Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 Sure there are...they are called interns/residents. What else would you call 50k/yr and 200k in debt? Potential
xpaperxcutx Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 I would, but ethics prohibit me from self-referral. Sorry! LoL, that's like " you can look, but refrain from touching!"
Untouchable_Fire Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 No such thing as a "poor surgeon":cool: I work with a surgeon that has next to nothing. His child support and alimony are so high he had to move back in with his parents for 6 months. Also... his credit is shot and he is in debt up to his eyeballs. He does bring in a lot of $$$ though.
Enchanted Girl Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 I would hate to date a surgeon. (This is another thread where I get to be backwards again, I suppose.) They work way too many hours and I'm really miserable in a relationship if I have a boyfriend who isn't paying any attention to me. I need love and attention in a relationship. I've always been terrified of marrying a workaholic. I don't care if a man's poor. It's easily worth it if he has enough time for me. My boyfriend is actually into a lot of medical stuff. He's not sure what he wants to be yet, but right now he works in a pharmacy as a tech and one thing he's considering being is a pharmacist. It's my favorite thing because I'm pretty sure it's the only job in medicine where you don't have to work a million hours. At least the pharmacists he works for don't seem to have too many hours. We actually got in a fight a week ago because he was considering being an anathaesiologist (however you spell that) and I got angry because they work too many hours according to what I read and he started saying,"But I'd be rich! Most women would be happy!" He's not really a workaholic though, so he wound up agreeing with me in the end. Thank God. I mean, I'm sure there's women who would like dating surgeons, lucky for them or they'd always be alone, but I don't personally get it. This would be a deal breaker in the relationship probably for me.
Untouchable_Fire Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 We actually got in a fight a week ago because he was considering being an anathaesiologist (however you spell that) and I got angry because they work too many hours according to what I read and he started saying,"But I'd be rich! Most women would be happy!" He's not really a workaholic though, so he wound up agreeing with me in the end. Thank God. First off, I think your a fantastic woman... and your BF is lucky to have you! My suggestion would be to not worry about or try to control what direction he takes his career. Just let him go for what makes him happy. No matter what specialty he might go into, there will always be ways to make the hours work for you. For example, I know a lot of anesthesiologists who practice independently and make their own hours. Besides... chances are your BF won't want to spend any more time away from you than you want to spend away from him.
zengirl Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 We actually got in a fight a week ago because he was considering being an anathaesiologist (however you spell that) and I got angry because they work too many hours according to what I read and he started saying,"But I'd be rich! Most women would be happy!" He's not really a workaholic though, so he wound up agreeing with me in the end. Thank God. I've heard anesthesiologists have decent schedules, as compared to surgeons, and that it's a less demanding specialty. Med school + Internship + Residency is still a bitch, I'm sure. A lot of people have been telling me that girls like guys that are surgeons (im assuming rich ones especially). Is this true? I've dated an ER resident and a surgical resident, though neither long-term. They didn't have loads of time, obviously, which kind of sucked. The ER resident is still a really good friend; we just had opposing schedules and couldn't make it work, so it never got serious. The surgical resident was kind of a jerk in the end, but I wouldn't hold that against all surgeons (though I think you do have to have a giant sense of importance to want to go into a specialty where you hold someone's internal organs in your hands, but that can be good when applied correctly). I think it'd be a turnoff to some girls. A turn-on to others. And a 'neither' to some. I'd put myself in the neither column: Plus: He probably really digs what he does. (You don't have the drive to be a surgeon if you don't really want it, usually.) He's probably really smart. He can fix people. . . yeah, that's kind of hot. Con: He works crazy hours. He probably has very little life outside of it (in my age range). Minor Con: He's probably WAY in debt (if he's in my age range). Money doesn't factor into it much (yeah, I said debt, but to me, debt is like a painful soul-sucking, crushing weight that's less about money. . . but that's a pretty minor con, and Med School is impossible without debt, so what can you do?) Unless they're dating older guys or in their 30s, a girl looking for money is going to have to wait for the investment to 'mature' quite a bit. Surgeons get paid absolute crap for years and years, compared to what they owe. That said, you can't just "become a surgeon" so there are certainly easier ways to get women.
Sabali Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 What's 2K in debt if you make that much cash or more in one year? That's top 5% salary in the world. That debt is equivalent to owning one house if you think about it. It's an investment. A lot of doc's can pay those loans off relatively quick if they wanted, I am sure. Not to mention having job security no matter how bad the economy goes. Also, they are many subspecialties of medicine and there work load is different. I wouldn't expect to see a surgeon much but dermatologists and rheumatologists have a relatively easy life style and not excessively long hours. Residents and interns work long hours but they are more regulated compared to 6 or 7 years ago. Then they could work those guys how long they wanted. Now they can only work a certain amount of hours per week. Probably not a bad idea to be in the medical field including pharmacy in the end. Probably dating a doc would be like dating many other professionals except money would be less of an object. I personally couldn't date one because I don't like power struggles and those guys are trained to take control.
2sure Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 Eh, I can only speak of my experience. I am attracted to men that are "large and in charge" - right or wrong, thats my thing. Now, Ive dated and been married to men who have more money than surgeons, more "power" generally speaking than someone in the medical field. But they all have some things in common..that whole A type personality thing, egocentric, confidence that can be a force to get used to, even slightly or a lot narcissist. And those things are required for success in some professions, so I get that. But surgeons, in my experience, have a little extra dose of omnipotence, of seeing themselves as ...another kind of being ..that I find, maybe its intimidating to me or irritating , but either way I didnt like it. That plus they are constantly on call and before they are 40 - always busy. I do hang a lot with a plastic surgeon, but sometimes even he has to get knocked off his horse.
zengirl Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 What's 2K in debt if you make that much cash or more in one year? That's top 5% salary in the world. That debt is equivalent to owning one house if you think about it. It's an investment.A lot of doc's can pay those loans off relatively quick if they wanted, I am sure. 2K? Most of the doctors I know are six figures in debt by the time they finish med school! (The average in the U.S. is $156,456 in debt, when they graduate, according to the AMA.) Most fellows where I'm from start at the hospital, making salaries in the mid 30s to low 40s (depending). The ER doc was making less than I was at the ad agency, if I recall. Not that he had time to spend any of it. Of course, someday, he'll be rich, and I'll be a poor teacher. . . but they certainly have to wait for their payoff. I don't think it's bad debt necessarily. I've just got a thing against debt. I mean, basically, once you go to med school you can never, ever change your mind and decide, "I don't want to be a doctor" or else you're SOL. That's how debt is limiting. Residents and interns work long hours but they are more regulated compared to 6 or 7 years ago. Then they could work those guys how long they wanted. Now they can only work a certain amount of hours per week. I believe the legal limit is 80 hours. That's hardly humane. I think the ER doc worked less than that. . . something like 65 hours per week. But it was sporadic to a degree. Made it harder to get together. Especially since I worked a lot at the time as well.
Sanman Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 LoL, that's like " you can look, but refrain from touching!" Why am I starting to feel like a stripper? What's 2K in debt if you make that much cash or more in one year? That's top 5% salary in the world. That debt is equivalent to owning one house if you think about it. It's an investment. A lot of doc's can pay those loans off relatively quick if they wanted, I am sure. Not to mention having job security no matter how bad the economy goes. Also, they are many subspecialties of medicine and there work load is different. I wouldn't expect to see a surgeon much but dermatologists and rheumatologists have a relatively easy life style and not excessively long hours. Residents and interns work long hours but they are more regulated compared to 6 or 7 years ago. Then they could work those guys how long they wanted. Now they can only work a certain amount of hours per week. Probably not a bad idea to be in the medical field including pharmacy in the end. Probably dating a doc would be like dating many other professionals except money would be less of an object. I personally couldn't date one because I don't like power struggles and those guys are trained to take control. If your goal is the almighty dollar, corporate law or the tech sector are much smarter bets. The same or better salary with a fraction of the debt.
Mike B. Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 Why am I starting to feel like a stripper? If your goal is the almighty dollar, corporate law or the tech sector are much smarter bets. The same or better salary with a fraction of the debt. I don't know about that. Docs are almost guaranteed to make a six figure salary as long as they are willing to put in full time work. There are probably a couple of specialties on the low end of those six figures but generally they will be comfortable. On the otherhand there are a big percentage of lawyers and those who go into the tech sector that won't even hit six figures. Not everyone who goes to law school can just make it or get into corporate law as they wish. The rich lawyers are usually the ones that were at the top of their classes while all a rich doc have to do is be a part of a booming group of physicians that sees a lot of patients. As alluded to above, if I were a surgeon bringing home $300, 000 a year for 30 years, being 100K or 200K in debt is a drop in the bucket and those loans disappear after you die so if they are low interest, there is no rush to even pay them off save for your own personal satisfaction.
LoveLace Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 If I'm attracted to a surgeon it's because he's very smart and has a very difficult job, I'm not one to feel attracted to money all by itself. Surgeons are on call quite a bit while not working, and between office hours and scheduled surgeries, they are never home. I work with many surgeons at my job and that is what advice someone would give us if you consider dating one: don't do it because you will pretty much never see them. Yes some of them are very attractive, others are not attractive in the slightest, and the income isn't going to make me find them attractive. But for the ones who's looks equal his smarts, they are nice eye candy and fun to fantasize about dating...aside from that, not a good idea, so I'm told. Same goes for an anthesthesiologist...even though their income is more than many doctors or surgeons...
Sanman Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 I don't know about that. Docs are almost guaranteed to make a six figure salary as long as they are willing to put in full time work. There are probably a couple of specialties on the low end of those six figures but generally they will be comfortable. On the otherhand there are a big percentage of lawyers and those who go into the tech sector that won't even hit six figures. Not everyone who goes to law school can just make it or get into corporate law as they wish. The rich lawyers are usually the ones that were at the top of their classes while all a rich doc have to do is be a part of a booming group of physicians that sees a lot of patients. As alluded to above, if I were a surgeon bringing home $300, 000 a year for 30 years, being 100K or 200K in debt is a drop in the bucket and those loans disappear after you die so if they are low interest, there is no rush to even pay them off save for your own personal satisfaction. Knowing many professionals including surgeons and lawyers. I can say that possessing the intelligence, ambition, drive, and other personal characteristics to sucessfully become (not simply hope to be) a surgeon would allow one to make at least six figures in just about any field of their choice. The lawyers, tech guys, and other professionals I know who make less are those that are altruistic or simply lack one of those personal characteristics. Personally, I find that I am happier having more time for personal pursuits even if that means less money. Then again, I am not a surgeon, nor would I ever wish to be a corporate lawyer, investment banker, etc.
stillafool Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 A lot of people have been telling me that girls like guys that are surgeons (im assuming rich ones especially). Is this true? Yes. But a surgeon would have to be very careful that a woman does not want him for his money only. A young, handsome surgeon would have a stampede of women chasing him.
Mike B. Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 Knowing many professionals including surgeons and lawyers. I can say that possessing the intelligence, ambition, drive, and other personal characteristics to sucessfully become (not simply hope to be) a surgeon would allow one to make at least six figures in just about any field of their choice. The lawyers, tech guys, and other professionals I know who make less are those that are altruistic or simply lack one of those personal characteristics. Personally, I find that I am happier having more time for personal pursuits even if that means less money. Then again, I am not a surgeon, nor would I ever wish to be a corporate lawyer, investment banker, etc. The opportunities are just not the same. You can throw a doc out somewhere in no-man's land and he will make a killing because he is the only doc in his specialty around for hundred of miles while you can put a tech guy or lawyer in the same rural or deserted area and they will be almost unemployed. My brother still gets many offers as a doc through the mail and email with offers of starting salary for quite a few hundred thousand in not very populated cities and rural areas. I personally shoot to be on the same playing field with all of these guys. I can be outdone but not without fighting tooth and nail.
zengirl Posted July 31, 2010 Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) Knowing many professionals including surgeons and lawyers. I can say that possessing the intelligence, ambition, drive, and other personal characteristics to sucessfully become (not simply hope to be) a surgeon would allow one to make at least six figures in just about any field of their choice. The lawyers, tech guys, and other professionals I know who make less are those that are altruistic or simply lack one of those personal characteristics. Personally, I find that I am happier having more time for personal pursuits even if that means less money. Then again, I am not a surgeon, nor would I ever wish to be a corporate lawyer, investment banker, etc. I agree almost entirely with Sanman and it is reflective of the engineers, doctors, and tech guys I know. (Don't know that many lawyers.) All the engineers I know make more money than the docs, work less hours, and have just as steady an expectation of salary. Really, if you want to marry a fellow for his career (I'm not suggesting this), or a lady for that matter, I'd go with an engineer. You know, I hear women dig rocket scientists, especially the rich ones. Meh. (Though I do, personally, dig rocket scientists, but even the poor ones.) The opportunities are just not the same. You can throw a doc out somewhere in no-man's land and he will make a killing because he is the only doc in his specialty around for hundred of miles while you can put a tech guy or lawyer in the same rural or deserted area and they will be almost unemployed. My brother still gets many offers as a doc through the mail and email with offers of starting salary for quite a few hundred thousand in not very populated cities and rural areas. I personally shoot to be on the same playing field with all of these guys. I can be outdone but not without fighting tooth and nail. Tech guys and engineers don't have to fight tooth and nail, if they actually have the education to back it up. And most of their companies will pay for their Masters and PhDs, rather than the out-of-pocket med school expenses. Don't confused someone with a Bachelors degree with someone with an M.D. For anyone to rise up in the science fields, and stay there securely, they do have to go for the Masters at least, these days, within 5-10 years of starting in the field, but that's really a much easier commitment than Med School and most get some funding towards it from their workplace (and then a nice, instant workplace raise when they graduate, rather than 5 years of "residency"). A J.D. is a bigger gamble than an M.D. in my opinion---but it can also pay off with a much higher salary. The richest lawyers make more than the richest doctors (assuming they're both in their field), but poor lawyers. . . well, that's a sad tale indeed. I'm not saying being a doctor isn't a solid career----but they really have to work for it, earn that money, and start off in a precarious place. To be a doctor and be happy, you really have to want it. If you just want to make a lot of money, be an engineer. Edited July 31, 2010 by zengirl
D-Lish Posted July 31, 2010 Posted July 31, 2010 2K? Most of the doctors I know are six figures in debt by the time they finish med school! (The average in the U.S. is $156,456 in debt, when they graduate, according to the AMA.) Most fellows where I'm from start at the hospital, making salaries in the mid 30s to low 40s (depending). The ER doc was making less than I was at the ad agency, if I recall. Not that he had time to spend any of it. Of course, someday, he'll be rich, and I'll be a poor teacher. . . but they certainly have to wait for their payoff. I don't think it's bad debt necessarily. I've just got a thing against debt. I mean, basically, once you go to med school you can never, ever change your mind and decide, "I don't want to be a doctor" or else you're SOL. That's how debt is limiting. I believe the legal limit is 80 hours. That's hardly humane. I think the ER doc worked less than that. . . something like 65 hours per week. But it was sporadic to a degree. Made it harder to get together. Especially since I worked a lot at the time as well. My dad wiped out his med school debt within 2 years of starting his practice. Residents are still "students"- and how many "students" do you know that make $40K a year? It's a small price to pay to advance to 6 figures so quickly once you graduate. And, not many doctors change their mind. You don't dedicate your life to this practice unless it's something you really want to do.
Sabali Posted July 31, 2010 Posted July 31, 2010 My dad wiped out his med school debt within 2 years of starting his practice. Residents are still "students"- and how many "students" do you know that make $40K a year? It's a small price to pay to advance to 6 figures so quickly once you graduate. And, not many doctors change their mind. You don't dedicate your life to this practice unless it's something you really want to do. What a lot of people don't realize is that most physicians can wipe their school loan debts within a couple to 3 years after going into practice and not all medical school loans are 6 figures, especially if you have scholarships and go to school in-state. As alluded to above, a lot of physicians do not pay off loans right away because they have spent so many years deferring their gratification and living off of chump change so that when they first start to really make money, they do not want to spend it wiping out their loans immediately. They want to finally start paying themselves first. I can't blame them. It is a long road of education, really.
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