Average to attractive girls between 18 and 35 are like mini-celebrities

[MissJoness]

What are you even on about woman???

 

You misunderstood AD1980's reference and now you are defending why it's ok for men to hit on your for sex?!?!

 

That was the point all along!! If men weren't constantly doing things for women to get into their pants, women would not have such elevated egos in terms of sense of entitlement.

Personally for me, I like it when a guy hits on me and and tells me that I am pretty/beautiful. If you are attractive to them then obviously they are going to think about having sex iwth you they're men.

 

Have you been attractive all your life? Usually women who have been attractive most of their life and are used to getting hit on since teen years feel differently. I went through almost all of my young adolesence not ever being looked at or considered pretty by most guys. So when I finally grew out of the ugly duckling phase at 18, I enjoyed the times that I was hit on and told I was attractive. I felt like most young girls my age; pretty and desirable

[InspiredbyYou]

MissJones: I think that any woman, regardless of how popular she has been throughout her life, would agree that it feels good to be hit on or told by men that she is beautiful. Find me ONE woman who doesn't like that.

 

In fact the most beautiful of women probably rely on men's feedback/passes even more because they are accustomed to being praised or getting things based on their good looks. So the moment someone is not praising them they feel insecure and like their worth is slipping even.

 

What I think AD1980 was getting at was, and I think it is along the same lines of what the OP is saying, (mind you in a much more exaggerated manner) is that men will hit on anything that moves for sex. So a lot of the women who are of average looks throughout a lifetime will get hit on several times for sex and they develop a certain elated ego or sense of entitlement because these men's actions will lead them to believe that they were something they were not.

 

On the same token, it is really really hard to take men's genuine compliments seriously when we know that men have a tendency to say anything and everything just to get into a girl's pants.

 

In my opinion, AD1980's comment was actually not as bad as it's being interpreted, he does have a point!

[threebyfate]

The broad based assumptions in this thread are annoying. To validate bitterness and unrealistic perspectives is tantamount to negligence.

[InspiredbyYou]

You cant win with women even if you don't blame them:D

 

 

 

Seriously! I feel for you guys sometimes.

 

I think sometimes it's easier to lash out than it is to admit that some comments have an element of truth to them.

[sedgwick]

free "A's" at school, job offers aplenty despite lack of skills, unlimited sex with whoever they want, free housing

 

WTF?! I daresay I was a pretty good-looking girl when I was in my 20s (and not too hideous now at 38), but I never got any free grades, housing, or jobs. And I went all the way through grad school to develop skills and everything. Is it too late to cash in on that sh*t now?

[InspiredbyYou]

Holy smokes how can you women making snide remarks not at least see what the OP is trying to say

 

 

Think about it - an average to attractive woman between the age of 18 and 35, whether poor or rich gets: free booze, free drugs, free VIP treatment at clubs, free backstage passe

 

you've NEVER heard of attractive women getting those things for free?

 

free "A's" at school,

 

ok that is the only one that I don't think happens and it's quite far fetched but who knows...

 

job offers aplenty despite lack of skills,

 

every office has a bimbo that everyone wonders how or who she slept with to get there, PLEASE we all know the type so why are we so shocked that it is now being talked about openly?!? :laugh:

 

unlimited sex with whoever they want,

 

SURE! An average woman can have all the sex she wants, a really hot one even moreso. Can't say the same for even super hot guys, super hot guys still rely on women to say "yay or nay" to having sex. Granted they have it better than the average guy but still nowhere near as good as a woman (if she wants to)

 

 

free housing...

 

ever hear of a gold digger that gets with the guy who is 15 yrs older and has an instant home a car and full closet full of shoes? how many guys do you know getting the same treatment in comparison. Anna Nicole Smith comes to mind prime example of FREE housing.

 

Why are some of you struggling so much with what the OP is trying to say.

[threebyfate]

tantamount to negligence.

I need to amend this portion of my earlier post. It's less about negligence and more about being self-serving. There's nothing altruistic about validating bitterness and unrealistic perspectives towards women unless that person is trying to appeal to the men who are bitter or unrealistic.

 

As an example of such, it's like validating infidelity. The justification that's normally utilized on LS, is that the cheater and their mate have vows between them and the OW that interferes between them, have no responsibilities. The validation perspective is that the wife is a horrific person, so deserved to be cheated on.

 

There might be an ounce of truth that the wife wasn't perfect. But it's not taking into account the entire picture.

 

Same goes for validating bitterness and unrealistic perspectives of women, by bitter men. It serves the men who are this way, no good at all, since it limits their ability to meet stable women. Stable women can see through their crap and want nothing to do with them.

[sedgwick]

Why are some of you struggling so much with what the OP is trying to say.

 

Because, like so many other posts on LS, it's wildly generalizing and insulting. The whole "EVERY man is like this," and "EVERY woman is like this," and "EVERY person with x characteristic is hot/not hot," gets nobody anywhere. It's just a sign of one's inability to get outside his or her own head. To say that ANY attractive woman within a 17-year age range can get free employment and housing is just ludicrous, and serves no function whatsoever.

[InspiredbyYou]

 

Same goes for validating bitterness and unrealistic perspectives of women, by bitter men. It serves the men who are this way, no good at all, since it limits their ability to meet stable women. Stable women can see through their crap and want nothing to do with them.

 

 

Right so let's pretend the big white elephant in the room doesn't exist to appease people like you who perceive things your way and your way only? Is that what should happen here?

 

My perception is that the OP has a point, we all have our own perceptions.

 

I am a woman, I have experienced some of the things the OP is talking about, I'm not enitled to my own opinion?

 

It's one thing to have your opinion on this topic, it is another to keep ridiculing the OP as if his point was preposterous, when frankly it's not that far fetched what he is saying.

 

I think I am helping him more by supporting his point that these things DO happen in real life rather than pretending they don't for the sake of the "sisterhood" or whatever the motive may be here.

 

There's nothing altruistic about validating bitterness and unrealistic perspectives towards women unless that person is trying to appeal to the men who are bitter or unrealistic.

Dude relax we are not saving lives here we are just throwing ideas/concepts around. It's all in good fun.. Eeeek! I'm not trying to "appeal" to anyone in particular, I just agree with some of his points. Edited November 30, 2009 by InspiredbyYou

[gypsy_nicky]

I would like to add, that this phenomenon the OP has posted has some bearing on the physical but the cultural has more weight on it imo.

 

The current malaise in society is the 'me' generation-be anything, anyone, achieve anything etc etc.

 

Individualism has been taken a tad bit too far bordering on narcissistic self obsession where everyone thinks theyre the most attractive things to walk on earth. Yeah right.

(thats why we get the hatin- guys here posting about fat chicks that think they all that)

[a_Lien34]

Haha, I definitely know the type. There are nice women who fit that description--the trick is to break through that superficial exterior.

[HokeyPokey]

It's a slightly distorted perception.

 

I have seen lots of average men get thrown some freebies as well because they were charming and fun. I work as a bartender with a few average-looking male bartenders, and you wouldn't believe how much they make in tips, free drinks, and sexual offers (way more than me!). Well, the charming, flirty ones do. They know how to talk to people, and persuasion is all about good communication and social skills.

 

Women are naturally more likely to get gifts with less effort, but we also tend to have more advanced social skills as well. Many women also enjoy small talk and are great listeners. People are more perceptive to that.

 

So many men burned by rejections immediately place the fault on women as a whole. They are used to this sort of preferential treatment, they only want this...blah blah.

 

It's all about personality and numbers. If you're charming, know how to talk to people (and talk to many), you're going to be more successful at dating and in life regardless of how you look or how much money you have.

 

And also, people exaggerate. When a woman says, "I get hit on or free stuff allll the time," what is her perception of "all the time"? What is her definition of "hit on" or "free stuff"?

 

Getting a free coffee every week from the same pimply teen down the street isn't exactly what I would call hustlin'. Getting a second glance or a head turn from a male isn't what I consider getting hit on.

[HokeyPokey]

Annnnd....

 

I think men would be surprised by how responsive women are if they just changed their attitudes and approaches.

 

I have never laughed in a man's face; however, I have been caught off guard and at inappropriate moments, which usually results in a bit of coldness. Learn how to read people and be able to talk to everyone, and then the babes will follow.

[CaliGuy]

You need more hobbies, Kiske

 

When I talk to someone 15-35 who's average to good looking and she cops an attitude, I just move along and don't waste my time on them. There's always going to be people with bad attitudes. Instead of focusing in on the bad in society, try to find the GOOD.

 

You'd be amazed....there's many good people and many good things to focus on. B*tching out the bad isn't going to change it.

 

Cheers.

[kizik]

It's a slightly distorted perception.

 

I have seen lots of average men get thrown some freebies as well because they were charming and fun. I work as a bartender with a few average-looking male bartenders, and you wouldn't believe how much they make in tips, free drinks, and sexual offers (way more than me!). Well, the charming, flirty ones do. They know how to talk to people, and persuasion is all about good communication and social skills.

 

Women are naturally more likely to get gifts with less effort, but we also tend to have more advanced social skills as well. Many women also enjoy small talk and are great listeners. People are more perceptive to that.

 

So many men burned by rejections immediately place the fault on women as a whole. They are used to this sort of preferential treatment, they only want this...blah blah.

 

It's all about personality and numbers. If you're charming, know how to talk to people (and talk to many), you're going to be more successful at dating and in life regardless of how you look or how much money you have.

 

And also, people exaggerate. When a woman says, "I get hit on or free stuff allll the time," what is her perception of "all the time"? What is her definition of "hit on" or "free stuff"?

 

Getting a free coffee every week from the same pimply teen down the street isn't exactly what I would call hustlin'. Getting a second glance or a head turn from a male isn't what I consider getting hit on.

 

This is a Fantastic Post and I appreciate it.

[The Way I Am]

When I talk to someone 15-35 who's average to good looking

 

*snicker* I hope 15 is a typo.

 

I was thinking the same thing as HokeyPokey. I've seen men get free things too, because they were charming and funny (not even that good looking) things I wouldn't have gotten. I know guys that can get pretty good deals at the mechanic, while I get the 'stupid girl' treatment and have mechanics try to pull sh*t over on me and charge me for things where if I didn't know anything about cars, they'd succeed in ripping me off.

 

Most attractive women learn to use their power to their advantage as soon as they realize what they can do with it. He is not far off with what he is saying. I think some women are just more confident than others, and some women who are just average looking are confident enough to pull off getting what they want.

You can't be serious. You think the women who take advantage of people are just more confident than those who don't? It's about a lack of integrity, not more confidence.

 

Yeah, women can get more things, like free drinks at the club and moving up in the line, but who cares? That stuff is practically worthless. The women getting free cars and houses are users. Men can do the same if they want to give up integrity and become con men, because that's all those women really are: cons.

 

I do agree that there's some merit to the original post (free drinks, lines), but when he goes so far as to say women get better grades and jobs without having the skills, that's when it's laughable. I'm much better at my job than most men, but it's not a "woman's field", so usually I have to overcome the perception that I'm not going to be able to do the job. Asian men certainly have the advantage in my field, because the stereotype is that they're smarter and better at this.

 

I was valedictorian at my high school. (Of course, that was obviously because I was average to attractive looking. It had nothing to do with how smart I am.) Someone actually told my mom that I was too pretty to be that smart. WTF? I would much rather have people realize that I'm smart and good at my job than get a worthless free drink or to the front of some lame line. I can buy thousands of my own drinks with a higher salary.

Edited December 1, 2009 by The Way I Am

[kizik]

Another great post.

 

Let me ask y'all this, for example, though: Don't you think Sarah Palin only got to where she is b/c of her looks? Clearly she is dumb as a box of rocks. Would we still love any other woman or man who retired the gubernatorial office, if they were not attractive?

[Untouchable_Fire]

It's a slightly distorted perception.

I have seen lots of average men get thrown some freebies as well because they were charming and fun. I work as a bartender with a few average-looking male bartenders, and you wouldn't believe how much they make in tips, free drinks, and sexual offers (way more than me!). Well, the charming, flirty ones do. They know how to talk to people, and persuasion is all about good communication and social skills.

Women are naturally more likely to get gifts with less effort, but we also tend to have more advanced social skills as well. Many women also enjoy small talk and are great listeners. People are more perceptive to that.

So many men burned by rejections immediately place the fault on women as a whole. They are used to this sort of preferential treatment, they only want this...blah blah.

It's all about personality and numbers. If you're charming, know how to talk to people (and talk to many), you're going to be more successful at dating and in life regardless of how you look or how much money you have.

And also, people exaggerate. When a woman says, "I get hit on or free stuff allll the time," what is her perception of "all the time"? What is her definition of "hit on" or "free stuff"?

Getting a free coffee every week from the same pimply teen down the street isn't exactly what I would call hustlin'. Getting a second glance or a head turn from a male isn't what I consider getting hit on.

 

Who does this crap?

 

You treat old/fat/ugly girls like gold, and you treat the pretty ones like dirt. Otherwise your going to just be an epic fail with women.

 

Also, those guys who put women up on pedestals are always the biggest losers. I'm glad I had good friends in highschool who taught me early that you will never get anywhere in life by respecting women. Sometimes you should act like you do... but if you ever actually do... then you lose bigtime.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Another great post.

Let me ask y'all this, for example, though: Don't you think Sarah Palin only got to where she is b/c of her looks? Clearly she is dumb as a box of rocks. Would we still love any other woman or man who retired the gubernatorial office, if they were not attractive?

 

There are different kinds of intelligence. I don't think she is book smart, but has plenty of intelligence in other areas.

 

Compared to Hillary Clinton... who is book smart, but makes Forrest Gump look like Einstein at everything else.

[Sam Spade]

Another great post.

 

Let me ask y'all this, for example, though: Don't you think Sarah Palin only got to where she is b/c of her looks? Clearly she is dumb as a box of rocks. Would we still love any other woman or man who retired the gubernatorial office, if they were not attractive?

 

Ha! Very clean example.

Similarly, I bet that Hillary Clinton gets bashed a lot harsher than, say, Nancy Pelosi. Both are roughly equally accomplished, but one of them is clearly prettier.

[kizik]

There are different kinds of intelligence. I don't think she is book smart, but has plenty of intelligence in other areas.

 

I agree that she's good at rallying and being woodsy charming, "with all the huntin' and the fishin' and the hockey" (ugh). I guess my point is, in relation to the thread, that there is no way she would have gotten this far if she didn't represent the collective male desire to have sex with a milf.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Ha! Very clean example.

Similarly, I bet that Hillary Clinton gets bashed a lot harsher than, say, Nancy Pelosi. Both are roughly equally accomplished, but one of them is clearly prettier.

 

What? Which one do you think is prettier?

 

Pelosi has the worst facelift I've ever seen. Her one facial expression is Surprise.

 

And the botox.... it's been seeping into her brain.

[threebyfate]

Palin's got low-level cunning tied into the ability to manipulate people, using a blatantly false folksy charm that takes in people who aren't too bright. She's also bulldog aggressive, spiteful, petty and mean. THAT's why she's made it as far as she did.

 

Her looks have helped in that people aren't repulsed by looking at her and also, get taken in when they believe she's genuine, underestimating her street-level cunning. She's no stranger to mud slinging and wrestling, since she went through the beauty pageant circuit.

 

Guaranteed, she would never have made it as far as she did, if it were in one of the larger population, more sophisticated states.

 

As for the comment about respecting women, there's a difference between respect and idolization aka doormat behaviour.

[Untouchable_Fire]

I agree that she's good at rallying and being woodsy charming, "with all the huntin' and the fishin' and the hockey" (ugh). I guess my point is, in relation to the thread, that there is no way she would have gotten this far if she didn't represent the collective male desire to have sex with a milf.

 

I think there are a couple of guys out there that would vote for her because she is pretty... but not many.

 

It's more likely that men would NOT vote for her because she is a woman. I only vote for women when I don't have any other choice. I think most guys are like me.

[Sam Spade]

What? Which one do you think is prettier?

 

Pelosi has the worst facelift I've ever seen. Her one facial expression is Surprise.

 

And the botox.... it's been seeping into her brain.

 

Well, c'mon cut them some slack - both of them are in their 60s for crying out loud . I'm not saying either is adorable, but comparatively speaking Pelosi is the hotter memaw;).