kiss_andmakeup Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 And please don't start about the average guys you are dating. Women have a very interesting definition of "average" or ugly men. Most women will call a relatively good looking guy with a great personality and a stable job "average". I didn't say average in reference to his personality though, only in terms of his looks and salary (both of which are true...he is a chef at a restaurant...and trust me it is not a glamourous job or a glamourous salary). As for his looks, he's a slightly chubby 5'10, about the same height as me (I'm 5'9) which is another thing men on this board tend to claim attractive women have a distaste for. Of course my boyfriend has an outstanding personality, that is one of my favourite things about him. But the OP didn't address that and neither did you in your last post. The whole point of the post was that average to good-looking women hold out for good looking or wealthy men. Nobody said "damn those attractive women, they only want men with great personalities!"
V.Vixen Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 I disagree. I may get drinks here and there, I get the door held for me, I get some dinners, and random men ask me out, but everything else I have worked for. In my line of work you aren't getting by on 'pretty' alone!
still.ellie Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 Eh, I've been offered 'free' things before. Or sometimes, had strangers try to force their 'free' ****e on me. Some guys can be rather belligerent about it. You'd have to be pretty naive to think they didn't want something in return. From where you stand, it might seem like a pretty sweet deal; personally, it always depresses me a bit when a guy tries to buy me, whether it's with a drink or a $10 bill. These 'gifts' definitely come with some strings attached.
V.Vixen Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 Eh, I've been offered 'free' things before. Or sometimes, had strangers try to force their 'free' ****e on me. Some guys can be rather belligerent about it. You'd have to be pretty naive to think they didn't want something in return. From where you stand, it might seem like a pretty sweet deal; personally, it always depresses me a bit when a guy tries to buy me, whether it's with a drink or a $10 bill. These 'gifts' definitely come with some strings attached. I agree, I usually graciously decline.
kiss_andmakeup Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 These 'gifts' definitely come with some strings attached. This is another very good point. Nothing is ever truly "free." On the rare occasion that I've accepted a free drink from a guy, they then follow me around the club/bar for the duration of the evening, or try to grind with me on the dancefloor, as if by purchasing a $5 cocktail for me, they've purchased three hours of my time or the right to gyrate their pelvis into my hip region. This is also an explanation of why I no longer accept free drinks.
cognac Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 I didn't say average in reference to his personality though, only in terms of his looks and salary (both of which are true...he is a chef at a restaurant...and trust me it is not a glamourous job or a glamourous salary). As for his looks, he's a slightly chubby 5'10, about the same height as me (I'm 5'9) which is another thing men on this board tend to claim attractive women have a distaste for.[/Quote] I really doubt he is poor if he is a chef in a restaurant. As someone who has been in the food business I will tell you chef's make pretty decent money (more than enough to subsist). And I doubt you're much better looking than he is , you are probably evenly matched but it seems like you're doing him a big favor only because of the reason the OP stated. You're a celebrity, while he's "just a 5'10 chef". I can also bet he is good looking. Of course my boyfriend has an outstanding personality, that is one of my favourite things about him. But the OP didn't address that and neither did you in your last post. The whole point of the post was that average to good-looking women hold out for good looking or wealthy men. Nobody said "damn those attractive women, they only want men with great personalities!" That's what they aim for and would opt for given the chance. Women have a truly insane definition of what makes a good looking or wealthy man however, starkly different from men and this is again because of how women are taught and treated. Like what??? Please enlighten me by bringing sight to my eyes - because I'm totally missing something, here.[/Quote] People will listen to you even if you don't deserve it, people will be extra kind to you, you will never have trouble finding men who are interested in you, you don't have to be interesting, intelligent or funny to get someone to love you, you'll never spend saturday night alone unless you want to , etc. There are huge social advantages to being an average to good looking woman. You are given special treatment by every (stupid) man around. You'll notice it when your looks fade.
kiss_andmakeup Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 I really doubt he is poor if he is a chef in a restaurant. As someone who has been in the food business I will tell you chef's make pretty decent money (more than enough to subsist). As someone whose family owns a restaurant I will tell you it definitely depends on the restaurant. His salary is enough to get by, but it certainly isn't enough for him to dote on me, which was seemingly the point of this thread. He makes about $28,000 after taxes. Hardly enough to buy me free drugs, free booze, backstage passes, and VIP booths at the club as the OP suggested. And I doubt you're much better looking than he is , you are probably evenly matched but it seems like you're doing him a big favor only because of the reason the OP stated. You're a celebrity, while he's "just a 5'10 chef". I can also bet he is good looking. That's just the thing though, I don't feel as if I'm doing him a favour at all...I think I am so lucky to have him and am insanely attracted to him. I am not really sure what gives you the impression that you know more about my life than I do; I am also not sure why you have taken a hostility towards me using my experience in life to counter the OP. But, to each his own.
kizik Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 I agree with the OP, though I don't think he phrased it very well. I'm a 25-year-old guy attending college and I can tell you that good-looking girls know they're good-looking, and often times it causes them to act in a superior, snotty way that yes, would resemble the behavior of celebrities. I could go into the whole attention thing and how cute girls are swarmed with attention at all hours of the day by their friends (who are always and inevitably less attractive), boy toys, and their immediate family (mom, dad)... and how this attention makes them shallow and strive for less, and how it makes them use everyone around them as tools to achieve their own goals, whatever these may be... and how really attractive women generally have no souls because they are entirely enslaved to the demands of maintaining said attraction, or, conversely, losing this attraction (the greatest fear of any hottie)... but I won't do that here.
deux ex machina Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 (edited) ....notwithstanding their socio-economic status. Think about it - an average to attractive woman between the age of 18 and 35, whether poor or rich gets: free booze, free drugs, free VIP treatment at clubs, free backstage passes, free "A's" at school, job offers aplenty despite lack of skills, unlimited sex with whoever they want, hedonism galore, free housing, and the list goes on and on... Now, if you went up to Paris Hilton in public, you would expect her to laugh in your face, right? So what do you expect when you go up to an average looking 25 year old woman, who has been treated like a 'mini-Paris Hilton' her whole life, to do when approached by an ugly to average looking guy? Makes better sense when you look at it that way, doesn't it? Haha. This reminds me of an Eddie Murphy skit on Saturday Night Live. He disguised himself as a white person, and got let into a secret world where all was given to him. Truth is, everyone is different. Yes, even the pretty ones. You can never know what someone's been through just by looking at them. I hope that thought doesn't make your head ache too much. Edited November 29, 2009 by deux ex machina
kizik Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 everyone is different. Yes, even the pretty ones. You can never know what someone's been through just by looking at them. I hope that thought doesn't make your head ache too much. It hurts!
deux ex machina Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 It hurts! Aww, it'll be alright, baby.
kizik Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 Aww, it'll be alright, baby. That's all I needed to hear
SadandConfusedWA Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 So I went to buy a laptop today, and this geeky guy in the store told me: no need to pay, just looking at you for few minutes is payment enough. And he just gave it to me like that......seriously. Being an average to attractive girl between 18 and 35 rocks
kizik Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 So I went to buy a laptop today, and this geeky guy in the store told me: no need to pay, just looking at you for few minutes is payment enough. And he just gave it to me like that......seriously. Being an average to attractive girl between 18 and 35 rocks Uhhh... the guy sounds like a complete idiot and I hope he gets fired quickly.
kiss_andmakeup Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 Uhhh... the guy sounds like a complete idiot and I hope he gets fired quickly. I'm pretty sure she was joking.
threebyfate Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 It's true attractive women can sleep with any man they want. I think that's more telling of men than the fairer breed, however.This is not flattering for many women. While getting laid might be a male frame of reference as a big deal, it's unflattering to many women in that validation by sex, is meaningless. We know you guys can compartmentalize so knowing that you're willing to bang us, makes us no different than the toilet paper you use, after a poop.
kizik Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 I'm pretty sure she was joking. Rrright, except for the word "seriously" thrown in there Kind of makes it sound like "not a joke"
InspiredbyYou Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 Uhhh... the guy sounds like a complete idiot and I hope he gets fired quickly. I think she was being sarcastic. Ok I hate to break up the party, but if I am brutally honest I have to admit that some of the comments made in the OP are definitely true. Speaking from my personal experience and the things I experienced in my 20's and 30's I would have to say that there is definitely a special treatment going on for women of above average good looks. I can recall hardly ever having to pay getting into a club, there was always some guy who wanted us on the list and we would just waltz right in with a packed line-up. After a while I developed the expectation that if I had to pay or wait in line for an event I would not go (I know...soo bad) hardly ever had to pay for drinks when out, was given preferential treatment when traveling to other countries while a guy would sometimes not even dream of getting in to some of the hottest parties. We were instantly connected no matter where we traveled to. Was in New York one night and we wanted to go to this really hot bar at the time, all the stars and models partied there. We got there and there was a huge lineup but I suggested we just walk up to the door guys as if nothing and smile our way in, (and we didn't dress trampy at all) and we did exactly that. We partied with one the Oasis boys that night. It was a hell of a night. Re. the free drugs offered to women, also true. I've gotten off from paying tickets while making minor driving instructions. I've bull****ted my way through some job interviews when I was much younger and before I started my career, playing on the fact that the interviewer was obviously finding me appealing in some way, be it how charming or confident I was coming across or simply on my looks alone and not necessarily because I was the best person for the job, or the best looking woman. But I will say this I got through all my studies on my own merit, there was no cutting corners there and it got progressively harder as I got older. I believe that attractive women get preferential treatment over the average person, for sure.
InspiredbyYou Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 (edited) Oh and I forgot to mention, yes we also definitely choose who we want to sleep with and control when sex will happen. One of my closest friends used to say, "a guy can think he can sleep with you all he wants, that doesn't mean you will." To a certain degree that's true, though I didn't see the point in leading a guy on if I was not going to sleep with him, while she was more of the idea that if he wants to treat her to things on this notion alone it was his problem. I didn't agree with that. She was drop dead gorgeous. Hahahaha I've gotten off from paying tickets while making minor driving instructions that was supposed to say "infractions" not instructions Edited November 29, 2009 by InspiredbyYou
threebyfate Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 (edited) I don't think anyone can deny that there are perks for being attractive. But there are also drawbacks. The opening post is so unrealistic, it's impossible to take it seriously. Edited November 29, 2009 by threebyfate
InspiredbyYou Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 The opening post is so unrealistic, it's impossible to take it seriously. I took a fair bit of it seriously and even understood what he meant since I can relate to it, so what does that say about me then?
bac Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 If you feel bad about that, just try older women. They will treat you like mini-celebrity as well, if you are an average to attractive boy between 18 and 32.
shadowplay Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 (edited) I took a fair bit of it seriously and even understood what he meant since I can relate to it, so what does that say about me then? It sounds like you're playing up and actively trying to get preferential treatment because of your looks. Many attractive women don't do this. You're probably seeking out situations where you'll get this treatment and the types of men who will willingly give it. If you were in a different profession or environment you might experience fewer of those perks. Also, the only examples you really gave were getting into clubs and getting fewer tickets, while the original post acted as if being attractive basically means free ride for all women. My mother is almost 60, and I've seen her smile/talk her way out of most tickets. It doesn't have to do with her appearance but her demeanor and simply the fact that cops tend to be easier on women. Edited November 29, 2009 by shadowplay
Lizzie60 Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 ....notwithstanding their socio-economic status. Think about it - an average to attractive woman between the age of 18 and 35, whether poor or rich gets: free booze, free drugs, free VIP treatment at clubs, free backstage passes, free "A's" at school, job offers aplenty despite lack of skills, unlimited sex with whoever they want, hedonism galore, free housing, and the list goes on and on... Now, if you went up to Paris Hilton in public, you would expect her to laugh in your face, right? So what do you expect when you go up to an average looking 25 year old woman, who has been treated like a 'mini-Paris Hilton' her whole life, to do when approached by an ugly to average looking guy? Makes better sense when you look at it that way, doesn't it? I haven't read the whole thread.. but you can't compare average to attractive women in general to bimbo Hilton.. come on.. I agree that very attractive people, any age, get better treatment everywhere.. I wouldn't say that they get 'free stuff' everywhere but they would get jobs more easily... sex all they want (very true)... free housing... huh?? where???
shadowplay Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 Bear in mind that if somebody wants to really achieve something interesting, more than getting into hot clubs or landing a secretarial job, being attractive is only a minor boost. If an attractive woman doesn't have a good brain she won't get very far in most higher level professions.
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