Finding women with good values in Manhattan

[thegreatmoose]

So your reading skills are okay. I guess it's the comprehension part that's the problem.

Forget it. I'm not wasting any more time responding to your posts.

Edited November 27, 2009 by thegreatmoose

[Johnny M]

Those are okay too. How about treating others with respect?

When you manage to post something remotely intelligent, you'll get treated with respect. Until then, I don't think so.

[thegreatmoose]

Really, why so much New York bashing? I can't believe that it's the city.

Edited November 27, 2009 by thegreatmoose

[MRA_NYC]

I have a question to all the unhappy New Yorkers posting their whiny comments in this thread. Why have you chosen (and continue choosing) to live in that disgusting, filthy place? Seriously, why do it? Sure, if you work in the financial industry, you can make more money on Wall Street than in any other American city. But once you factor in the exorbitant cost of living, you are hardly ahead. Plus, you condemn yourself to a life (if you can even call this futile existence a 'life') in an ugly, dirty city filled with thoroughly unpleasant people. The only logical conclusion is that you're all either retarded or masochistic.

 

I'm starting a company here. Until it's time to set up branch offices, I'm here. And yes, there are career-advancing opportunities only available in New York, Chicago, and the Bay Area.

 

New York is great aside from (1) the absurd rents-- the taxes and other costs are easily offset by the benefits of living here-- and (2) the rarity of women with good values. For the record, the horrible/slutty women tend to be transplants from the suburbs who came because of Sex and the City, not native New Yorkers.

[cognac]

I've lived in NYC most of my life and I absolutely know where you are coming from. Here are some of the types of women I've found:

 

1. The Bar Fly- Goes out every night because they hate to be alone. I've learned that if you meet a "good" girl at a bar on a Monday night, it's usually because they have a drinking problem.

 

2. Mrs. High Standard (intellectually)- Unless you have two masters degrees and are working on a third, it was over before it even started.

 

3. Mrs. High Standard (physically)- YOU: 6'4" 215, blonde hair, blue eyes or next....

 

4. Mrs. High Standard (financially)- If you aren't taking her to TAO, you're out of luck.

 

5. Any combination of 2,3 & 4.

 

6. Actress/Model/Part Time Waitress, only available to see you on Monday afternoons from 130-230.

 

7. Full time job/Part time student, only available traveling between the two lol.

 

8. Baby Mama Drama, always pops up if you go out on enough dates in the city.

 

9. Career Student, needs to finance a cup of coffee, looking for a sugar daddy.

 

10. The one who is always looking for the next best thing....

 

Many others, but i've had a lot of turkey and i'm tired

 

Couldn't have said it better myself, and most of the women fall under #5.

 

 

I have a question to all the unhappy New Yorkers posting their whiny comments in this thread. Why have you chosen (and continue choosing) to live in that disgusting, filthy place? Seriously, why do it? Sure, if you work in the financial industry, you can make more money on Wall Street than in any other American city. But once you factor in the exorbitant cost of living, you are hardly ahead. Plus, you condemn yourself to a life (if you can even call this futile existence a 'life') in an ugly, dirty city filled with thoroughly unpleasant people. The only logical conclusion is that you're all either retarded or masochistic.[/Quote]

 

I'm with you 100%. I plan on getting out as soon as my situation allows. I am bound down to this city for a variety of financial and family reasons. My mom is disabled so I take care of her and she refuses to move out of this ****hole city, and my family comes before romance/women.

[pandagirl]

I've lived in NYC most of my life and I absolutely know where you are coming from. Here are some of the types of women I've found:

 

1. The Bar Fly- Goes out every night because they hate to be alone. I've learned that if you meet a "good" girl at a bar on a Monday night, it's usually because they have a drinking problem.

 

2. Mrs. High Standard (intellectually)- Unless you have two masters degrees and are working on a third, it was over before it even started.

 

3. Mrs. High Standard (physically)- YOU: 6'4" 215, blonde hair, blue eyes or next....

 

4. Mrs. High Standard (financially)- If you aren't taking her to TAO, you're out of luck.

 

5. Any combination of 2,3 & 4.

 

6. Actress/Model/Part Time Waitress, only available to see you on Monday afternoons from 130-230.

 

7. Full time job/Part time student, only available traveling between the two lol.

 

8. Baby Mama Drama, always pops up if you go out on enough dates in the city.

 

9. Career Student, needs to finance a cup of coffee, looking for a sugar daddy.

 

10. The one who is always looking for the next best thing....

 

Many others, but i've had a lot of turkey and i'm tired

 

I'm none of these, so why am I single? Oh, it's because the men suck in NYC, too.

 

And for all of you bashing on NYC, don't live there then. I have a love/hate affair with it, but there is nothing like a city that evokes as much passion as it does frustration. And say what you will, even though it's hard to date here, the people who live here are fascinating. My group of friends is so dynamic, interesting, ambitious, successful AND they're nice.

[AD1980]

Careful, don't hurt your eyes. And read the damn post before you start yakking. This thread is full of people complaing about how much New York sucks.

 

Manhatan the place most are complaining about are filled with mostly people from different parts of the country who mvoed here for job opportunities..The outer boroughs which are the true native ny'ers have better people imo

 

Theyers negatives here like anywhere else but id rather live here then anywhere else especially the "heartland" or mongoloid-ish deep south

Edited November 27, 2009 by AD1980

[MRA_NYC]

Couldn't have said it better myself, and most of the women fall under #5.

 

The annoying thing is that most of these women have high standards but in a shallow, useless way.

 

There's a misconception that sluts have low standards. Wrong. Only the most desperate 5% of sluts will **** anyone, and no discriminating man wants anything to do with them. Most sluts have high standards, but shallow and sh|tty standards (as described in categories 2-4).

 

High standards are extremely attractive if the woman's standards are based on compatibility, mutual respect and fit. They're unattractive when they're an expression of crass selfishness.

[pandagirl]

The annoying thing is that most of these women have high standards but in a shallow, useless way.

 

There's a misconception that sluts have low standards. Wrong. Only the most desperate 5% of sluts will **** anyone, and no discriminating man wants anything to do with them. Most sluts have high standards, but shallow and sh|tty standards (as described in categories 2-4).

 

High standards are extremely attractive if the woman's standards are based on compatibility, mutual respect and fit. They're unattractive when they're an expression of crass selfishness.

 

You really need to stop calling women "sluts." Any respectable women would not date a man who used this term so freely and bitterly. I'm not trying to be mean, but it's really true.

 

Plus, you don't see me complaining about all the men who have screwed me over in my time in NY, and I've lived here longer than you!

[Johnny M]

And for all of you bashing on NYC, don't live there then. I have a love/hate affair with it, but there is nothing like a city that evokes as much passion as it does frustration. And say what you will, even though it's hard to date here, the people who live here are fascinating. My group of friends is so dynamic, interesting, ambitious, successful AND they're nice.

Yet you are in your 30s and single, with little prospect of improvement. Are you still waiting for a 'dynamic, interesting, ambitious and successful' prince to sweep you off your feet?

 

Manhattan is a magnet for megalomaniacs. That much is a fact. And you have to be a ultra-competitive, totally self-centered, don't-give-a-f*ck-about-anyone type to fit into that scene comfortably.

[cognac]

The annoying thing is that most of these women have high standards but in a shallow, useless way.

 

There's a misconception that sluts have low standards. Wrong. Only the most desperate 5% of sluts will **** anyone, and no discriminating man wants anything to do with them. Most sluts have high standards, but shallow and sh|tty standards (as described in categories 2-4).

 

High standards are extremely attractive if the woman's standards are based on compatibility, mutual respect and fit. They're unattractive when they're an expression of crass selfishness.

 

Very true. Women think that if they're only slutty with the extremely attractive and rich that they're not sluts Almost all the women I know save their morality and outrage for the ugly guys (what saints), but when it comes to the model men they throw off their panties in 15 minutes.

 

The other day here in New York an older gentlemen who looked normal and clean gave a young lady a compliment "what a pretty face" with no alternative intent but to make her feel good. As soon as he stepped out of the store she said to me "omg do you have security in this place that guy wasss soooo creepy".

Edited November 27, 2009 by cognac

[pandagirl]

Yet you are in your 30s and single, with little prospect of improvement. Are you still waiting for a 'dynamic, interesting, ambitious and successful' prince to sweep you off your feet?

 

Manhattan is a magnet for megalomaniacs. That much is a fact. And you have to be a ultra-competitive, totally self-centered, don't-give-a-f*ck-about-anyone type to fit into that scene comfortably.

 

No, I'm not "waiting" for anyone. I am simply happily living my life.

 

I'm none of the above, thankyouverymuch. I began my career in NY as an editor at a major magazine and quickly made my way up the masthead. I quit what many would consider a glamorous, dream career, because I hated the people who were mean, self-centered and lacked integrity. I took a HUGE pay cut to start my own business with my own money.

 

You have to stop demonizing women to find a good one.

[MRA_NYC]

And say what you will, even though it's hard to date here, the people who live here are fascinating. My group of friends is so dynamic, interesting, ambitious, successful AND they're nice.

 

Yes. This is spot-on. My friends are great, although I work in technology so my social circle is overwhelmingly male.

 

I meet a lot of great women, but they tend to be friends' girlfriends. Women I meet on the street are terrible, and I don't remember it being this way in other cities.

[MRA_NYC]

You really need to stop calling women "sluts." Any respectable women would not date a man who used this term so freely and bitterly. I'm not trying to be mean, but it's really true.

 

Plus, you don't see me complaining about all the men who have screwed me over in my time in NY, and I've lived here longer than you!

 

I don't call "women" sluts. I call sluts sluts. Sluts are a subset of "women".

 

Women who are not slutty I do not call sluts.

[MRA_NYC]

Very true. Women think that if they're only slutty with the extremely attractive and rich that they're not sluts Almost all the women I know save their morality and outrage for the ugly guys (what saints), but when it comes to the model men they throw off their panties in 15 minutes.

 

The other day here in New York an older gentlemen who looked normal and clean gave a young lady a compliment "what a pretty face" with no alternative intent but to make her feel good. As soon as he stepped out of the store she said to me "omg do you have security in this place that guy wasss soooo creepy".

 

Yeah. The real outrage is when a woman makes a guy out to be a creep over something minor (such as a slightly forward compliment) and causes problems for him, possibly ruining his reputation, but lets some alpha-turd grab her ass and responds positively. A lot of them simply have no sense of justice.

 

People assume the creeps are the socially inept losers on shows like To Catch a Predator. That's only about a third of them. Most of the creeps have average-plus social skills and looks, huge senses of entitlement, and lots of "game". They get away with things that would get most men sued.

[pandagirl]

I don't call "women" sluts. I call sluts sluts. Sluts are a subset of "women".

 

Women who are not slutty I do not call sluts.

 

"Slut" is a derogatory term that infers there is something morally wrong with a woman solely based on her sexual activity.

 

There is not such a word for the male species.

 

I would not date a man who used this word so bitterly.

[pandagirl]

Yeah. The real outrage is when a woman makes a guy out to be a creep over something minor (such as a slightly forward compliment) and causes problems for him, possibly ruining his reputation, but lets some alpha-turd grab her ass and responds positively. A lot of them simply have no sense of justice.

 

People assume the creeps are the socially inept losers on shows like To Catch a Predator. That's only about a third of them. Most of the creeps have average-plus social skills and looks, huge senses of entitlement, and lots of "game". They get away with things that would get most men sued.

 

I think you need to stop hanging out wherever you are hanging out. I've never seen a woman respond positively to having her ass grabbed.

[cognac]

Yeah. The real outrage is when a woman makes a guy out to be a creep over something minor (such as a slightly forward compliment) and causes problems for him, possibly ruining his reputation, but lets some alpha-turd grab her ass and responds positively. A lot of them simply have no sense of justice.

 

Very true. There is this guy who goes into the store I work at and he is always trying to make friendly small talk with people while waiting for his medicine. HE is actually a rather handsome, good shape, positive and upbeat, charismatic guy, his only problem is he's short (around 5'3). Us guys he talks to , we think he's great, he's funny as hell and always has some intelligent light to shine on life. But when he tries to talk to women, oh man. "EWWWWWWWWWWW THAT GUY IS SO WEIRD!". "OMG HE'S KIND OF CREEPY". "WHY IS HE SOOOO SHORT" And these aren't young middle school evil girls either, they're everyone from 4-40 (old ladies find him charming and funny as well).

 

Then five minutes later a 6'3 guy with spikey hair makes a loud animal noise, and us guys think he's a ****ing douchebag, but the ladies again 4-40 all start blowing up in laughter and swooning over him.

 

That is when the guys at my job realized women are more shallow than men. If a woman acted retarded, no matter how hot, I would not laugh or even talk to her.

 

 

People assume the creeps are the socially inept losers on shows like To Catch a Predator. That's only about a third of them. Most of the creeps have average-plus social skills and looks, huge senses of entitlement, and lots of "game". They get away with things that would get most men sued.[/Quote]Women define whose creepy or not and it is all based on how you look.

 

For certain guys, we're creepy. For others, it's just "got game".

[MRA_NYC]

"Slut" is a derogatory term that infers there is something morally wrong with a woman solely based on her sexual activity.

 

There is not such a word for the male species.

 

I would not date a man who used this word so bitterly.

 

Why does "slut" have to be gendered? I don't think it needs to be, or should be. Words evolve and meanings shift all the time. Why not describe a promiscuous man as a "slut"? I don't like promiscuous men, so I won't object.

 

Women cannot get rid of the dislike for promiscuous women. It exists for good reasons, and it's here to stay. If they want to kill the double standard and equalize the stigmas, they need to stop sleeping with, dating, and marrying promiscuous men.

[MRA_NYC]

Very true. There is this guy who goes into the store I work at and he is always trying to make friendly small talk with people while waiting for his medicine. HE is actually a rather handsome, good shape, positive and upbeat, charismatic guy, his only problem is he's short (around 5'3). Us guys he talks to , we think he's great, he's funny as hell and always has some intelligent light to shine on life. But when he tries to talk to women, oh man. "EWWWWWWWWWWW THAT GUY IS SO WEIRD!". "OMG HE'S KIND OF CREEPY". "WHY IS HE SOOOO SHORT" And these aren't young middle school evil girls either, they're everyone from 4-40 (old ladies find him charming and funny as well).

 

Then five minutes later a 6'3 guy with spikey hair makes a loud animal noise, and us guys think he's a ****ing douchebag, but the ladies again 4-40 all start blowing up in laughter and swooning over him.

 

That is when the guys at my job realized women are more shallow than men. If a woman acted retarded, no matter how hot, I would not laugh or even talk to her.

 

 

Women define whose creepy or not and it is all based on how you look.

 

For certain guys, we're creepy. For others, it's just "got game".

 

Attractive guys can be labeled "creepy" if they're awkward, short, too young, too old. The "creepy" label is approval-seeking. A lot of women are so insecure that when they are approached by someone they consider substandard (too short, too poor, too awkward, too ethnic, too tall, too many vowels in his name) they worry that it might be a reflection on them, so they act insulted, in the hope of getting their peers to console them. That's what the "creepy" label is really about-- "I'm too good for him, right? (Pleeeeease say I am.)" Never mind that this behavior can ruin an innocent man's reputation.

[pandagirl]

Why does "slut" have to be gendered? I don't think it needs to be, or should be. Words evolve and meanings shift all the time. Why not describe a promiscuous man as a "slut"? I don't like promiscuous men, so I won't object.

 

Women cannot get rid of the dislike for promiscuous women. It exists for good reasons, and it's here to stay. If they want to kill the double standard and equalize the stigmas, they need to stop sleeping with, dating, and marrying promiscuous men.

 

I being really honest here: I barely know anything about you, only what you've written on this forum, but you -- and the other men on this thread -- come across as very bitter and unappealing. If this is the energy and attitude you are projecting in real life, it might be part of the reason why you can't find a "quality" girl.

 

I'm sure you're a nice guy, but I'm just saying based on my observations on this thread.

 

Also, I have NO idea how you would even know if these women are promiscuous or not. That is personal information that most people do not divulge to practical strangers. So I think you are assuming and jumping to a lot of unfound conclusions.

[Woggle]

I know what you are talking about and it is mostly the suburban transplants who watched Sex and the City and now want to live that lifestyle. They are living a fantasy and unless you look and act like Mr Big you are a lowlife piece of trash who is beneath them. Native born New York women especially from the other boroughs tend to be real cool though.

 

Many may not agree with me but I was born and raised in NY and if you ask me it was better before Sex and the City, Gulliani and other factors turned it from a gritty working class city into a yuppie paradise. I can't stand the way they sanitized the city and gentrified everything.

[MRA_NYC]

I being really honest here: I barely know anything about you, only what you've written on this forum, but you -- and the other men on this thread -- come across as very bitter and unappealing. If this is the energy and attitude you are projecting in real life, it might be part of the reason why you can't find a "quality" girl.

 

I'm sure you're a nice guy, but I'm just saying based on my observations on this thread.

 

Also, I have NO idea how you would even know if these women are promiscuous or not. That is personal information that most people do not divulge to practical strangers. So I think you are assuming and jumping to a lot of unfound conclusions.

 

I voice my dislike of casual sex early in the dating process and judge the woman's reaction. If she's not promiscuous, she'll usually agree. I don't have to ask anything. Non-promiscuous women despise sluts even more than men do, because the sluts created the environment where (some) men stop returning a girl's calls if she doesn't "give it up" after 3 dates.

 

Also, I've had the experience where a woman stops taking me seriously once I reveal that my "number" is relatively low (I have nothing to hide). That's a sign that either (a) she's promiscuous, or (b) she otherwise has some screws loose.

[pandagirl]

Attractive guys can be labeled "creepy" if they're awkward, short, too young, too old. The "creepy" label is approval-seeking. A lot of women are so insecure that when they are approached by someone they consider substandard (too short, too poor, too awkward, too ethnic, too tall, too many vowels in his name) they worry that it might be a reflection on them, so they act insulted, in the hope of getting their peers to console them. That's what the "creepy" label is really about-- "I'm too good for him, right? (Pleeeeease say I am.)" Never mind that this behavior can ruin an innocent man's reputation.

 

WHERE are you proving these theories "correct."

 

If a guy comes up to me and tries to make normal, polite conversation, I will always engage for some amount of time.

 

I don't know of any woman -- at least my peers -- who react well to superficial conversation starters from men though, ie. "You're very beautiful," "Hey sexy," etc.

[pandagirl]

I know what you are talking about and it is mostly the suburban transplants who watched Sex and the City and now want to live that lifestyle. They are living a fantasy and unless you look and act like Mr Big you are a lowlife piece of trash who is beneath them. Native born New York women especially from the other boroughs tend to be real cool though.

 

Many may not agree with me but I was born and raised in NY and if you ask me it was better before Sex and the City, Gulliani and other factors turned it from a gritty working class city into a yuppie paradise. I can't stand the way they sanitized the city and gentrified everything.

 

I believe this is a whole sub-section of the city that I barely come in contact with. I rarely ever go above 14th st. But if these are the Jimmy Choo, Louis Vitton bag carrying women, yes, they seem quite vapid and uninteresting, more concerned with their image and lifestyle than anything of substance.