lgstudiodojdtf Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 I am a male in my mid twenties, work full time, salary of around $44k per annum, net worth of $75k, and I live with my parents. I have never dated in my life. Some friends of mine have tried to set me up with a female because they believe I have a desire for an intimate relationship. I admit that I do place value on females in that I am sexually attracted to many of them. In terms of the other reason for dating or an intimate relationship, namely romantic love, I also admit that there is some demand for that within me even though I don't fully understand the concept of love. However, the problem is that there are certain things about me that I believe make me unattractive to many females: I intend to live with my parents for a long time mainly because I think it is cheap and comfortable.If my parents kick me out of the home and if I am unemployed, I intend to buy a commercial van and live in it.My political beliefs are such that I believe bestiality should be legalized. One commonly agreed ideal of dating is that you be yourself. This means that I would need to reveal these aspects of myself to the female during the dating process. My friends tell me that if I reveal these facts, no female will like me. If this is true, it necessarily means that no female wants me for who I am, which means that I should not bother with dating. The other alternative is not to mention these things. However, another ideal of dating is that you reveal to the female everything about yourself otherwise you are deceptive. What is the best thing to do? Should you reveal all information for the sake of honesty, even if revealing such information will decrease her attraction for you, or should you be deceptive and censor certain information about yourself? Should you reveal the bad information slowly, e.g. don't reveal anything during the first date but once you are married reveal everything? Wouldn't this be the bait-and-switch tactic, and wouldn't it be unethical?
jerseyboy Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 Huh? Youre a libertarian? Or just into beastiality?
SincereOnlineGuy Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 My political beliefs are such that I believe bestiality should be legalized. What is the best thing to do? Excellent and highly appropriate use of the word 'thing'.
JustLooking123 Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 Wow. Well, assuming this isn't a troll post, I have a few of questions. Do you want to (or do you ) have sex with animals, or do you just think it should be legal? I understand the "cheap" thing, but does any part of you want to live independent of your parents? How would you describe your relationship with your parents? And what's with the van - why the objection to getting an apartment? I don't think you have to tell women everything on the first date, but definitely don't wait til post-marriage either. A long-term relationship is all about getting to know the good and the bad about the other person over time.
Devil Inside Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 Wow...bro...I think you may be on the spectrum. That, or this is a big joke.
Jaytb Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 "My political beliefs are such that I believe bestiality should be legalized." Yeah, I would keep that under wraps. After all, ney means ney!
SoulSearch_CO Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 My political beliefs are such that I believe bestiality should be legalized. WTF, dude. Yeah, you're right - not many women are going to go "Woooowwww " at this confession. I can't figure out how the hell you think it should be okay for innocent animals that aren't able to say "no" to be taken advantage of because somebody needed to get their rocks off. Gross. That's just disturbing on so many levels. But you know what? Even the worst serial killers and sick, perverted people on our planet have girlfriends. So there's surely somebody out there for you somewhere.
Jaytb Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 innocent animals that aren't able to say "no" to be taken advantage what about parrots? just kidding. I am also finding such a belief hard to stomach.
Jersey Shortie Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 Will your van be parked down by the river? At least you could probably pick up many attractive woodland creatures.
DSM2709 Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 I hope he doesn't regret later making that comment out here, cause you can't delete it....LMAO!!!!!!
StalledGirl Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 So , you are a penny pinching man who wants to kive in a van and have sex with the animals? Yeah , i'd start lying about myself now and fast:laugh: Such a wind-up.
Trimmer Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 Wow...bro...I think you may be on the spectrum. I was wondering that myself, largely based on this paragraph: I admit that I do place value on females in that I am sexually attracted to many of them. In terms of the other reason for dating or an intimate relationship, namely romantic love, I also admit that there is some demand for that within me even though I don't fully understand the concept of love. -------------------------------------------------------- Will your van be parked down by the river? Just for this moment - and this one only - I'm a JS fan...
Jaytb Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 Just for this moment - and this one only - I'm a JS fan... haha me too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcR7hr4LLQg RIP Chris Farley (and Phil Hartman too)
Boundary Problem Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 I live with my parents. I have never dated in my life. If my parents kick me out of the home and if I am unemployed, I intend to buy a commercial van and live in it. My political beliefs are such that I believe bestiality should be legalized. Should you reveal the bad information slowly, e.g. don't reveal anything during the first date but once you are married reveal everything? Wouldn't this be the bait-and-switch tactic, and wouldn't it be unethical? Try going to a gay bar and see if it appeals to you. Forget about bestiality. Don't drip feed a woman bad info after she is emotionally invested aka "in love with you". That would be considered manipulative. If it is something bad, tell her fairly soon.
Balthazar Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 Why would you want a girlfriend if you are into animals? Go find yourself a fine bitch and get your swerve on!
Author lgstudiodojdtf Posted November 22, 2009 Author Posted November 22, 2009 (edited) I can understand if many if not all females don't find me attractive because of my characteristics. If there is zero female demand for me then dating is not worth it. Even if going on a date were costless for me there would be no benefit because the female would not like me. My friends, however, keep telling me that dating is worth it because there is nothing to lose but everything to gain. I think it all depends on whether it is correct for me to reveal all information about myself or whether I should be deceptive. The unattractive aspects of me--my beliefs on bestiality as well as my principle of preparing to live in a commercial van should I be unemployed and living on the streets--are central to who I am. I think most people would agree that you should reveal major things like your worldview, major principles, values, etcetera to the female during the date. Do you want to (or do you ) have sex with animals, or do you just think it should be legal? Just to clarify, even though I believe other humans should be allowed to engage in inter-species intercourse (ISI) with e.g. horses, I myself am not sexually attracted to any non-humans. I talk about bestiality all the time with co-workers, friends, and family. I believe bestiality should be legalized but I believe there should be established a government organization that monitors or regulates this area so that animals are not unreasonably harmed. If a human can have ISI with e.g. a horse then both parties experience pleasure to the detriment of nobody else. Some of my friends object by saying that having ISI with an animal can harm the animal. To fix this problem, simply legislate that when you have ISI with an animal you cannot hurt it. You must attempt to give it pleasure. Friends often counterargue by saying that animals cannot consent to sex and hence we cannot give sex to them because we don't know if that is what they want. However, all of these friends of mine who say this agree that people should be allowed to have pets and most of them have pets themselves. Imagine if you have a dog and you gave it a bath. You put the dog in water and stroke the dog's skin to wash it. How do you know that the dog is not in pain? It cannot consent to being washed by you. Does this mean that we should criminalize dog washes? I hope not. When you give a dog a bath you can tell that the dog enjoys it or not. The dog can consent to being washed. The same principle applies to interspecies intercourse. When a human engages in ISI with a dog, he can reasonably predict the dog's welfare and aim to maximize the dog's pleasure. If we ban interspecies intercourse because we cannot attain consent from the dog, we must logically ban dog washing. We would have to ban pet ownership completely because we cannot know if the dog consents to being a pet. Plus let's not forget that we humans kill animals every second for the sake of food. It is true that animals are killed for nutrition but the vast majority of meat eating I see is for the sake of pleasure. This is evident if you walk the streets and witness all the fat people around you eating hamburgers. Killing animals is half done for survival but the other half is done for the sake of pleasure since eating meat is yummy and pleasurable. If it is legitimate for humans to kill animals partially for pleasurable meals, why is it not legitimate for humans to engage in intercourse with animals when this act will at least result in the animal being alive afterwards and, importantly, the animal will most likely enjoy the intercourse? Anyway, I am here to talk about the dating process or courtship theory, so I politely ask that we stick to that topic. I understand the "cheap" thing, but does any part of you want to live independent of your parents? How would you describe your relationship with your parents?I would prefer to live by myself than live with my parents. Living with my parents means I have to live by their rules, which limits my freedom to some degree. That said, I think I get along well with my parents. When I tell them I am ready and willing to live in a commercial van, they tell me they are happy to have me live in their house. My mom, however, tells me that if or when I get a wife I will need to move out. However, I told my mom that because of my backup plan to live in a van and because of my pro-bestiality stance, chances are I will never have a wife. And what's with the van - why the objection to getting an apartment? An apartment costs about $200,000 to buy, give or take. I don't have that much. A second-hand Toyota Hiace commercial van costs $7000 to buy. Cover the back windows with newspapers; chuck a mattress, a pillow, and blankets in the back; and park the van on your own car park (I have searched online and a car park costs about $20,000). All this comes to about $28,000 if we assume blankets, pillows, and a mattress cost $1000. It is much cheaper than an apartment. Of course, I only plan to do this if (1) I get fired from my job and (2) my parents kick me out of the home. Friends tell me both of these things happening at once is unlikely, but I believe it's best to prepare just in case. You should have at least $50,000 saved up (which I already have) just in case either your parents or your boss go crazy on you. Everyone should have an exit plan so that they are not slaves to their parents or their employers. That is how you achieve true freedom and independence. Saving up $50,000 I think is enough to keep you alive if you live cheaply, i.e. sleeping in a commercial van parked in your own car park. However, as I save up more, I improve my worst-case-scenario lifestyle incrementally. My net worth is $75,000 right now, so if I were unemployed and on the streets I would be able to afford two car parks, hopefully one next to each other. I will buy two vans and park them near each other. In one van I put the mattress, blankets, etcetera in there and in the other van I put a bathtub in there along with a towel, etcetera. This means I can get up in the morning and walk to the other van to take a bath. As I save up more and more I am able to improve my worst-case-scenario lifestyle slightly. Some of my friends ask me why in the world I don't just take out a home loan. My mom wants me to put all my money down as a deposit on a home. However, I do not want to do this. Getting a home loan will put me in massive debt for the next thirty years of my life! Survival is all about eliminating debt, not increasing it. I believe that debt is okay if it is unavoidable, e.g. if you need to buy a necessity. However, regardless of popular opinion or what the real estate agent will tell you, a house or an apartment is not a necessity. I have proven that you can live in a commercial van parked in your own car park. A house is a luxury good. By buying a house, just like any other luxury good, you sacrifice future security for the sake of short-term pleasure. Edited November 22, 2009 by lgstudiodojdtf
LucreziaBorgia Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 I think you should stop listening to your friends. Dating women is not for you, and I doubt it would bring you happiness. I also seriously doubt you would make it on your own outside of your parents home either, and I suspect your parents know that so it is probably better to live at home. From your post, I would say that there is no way that you would be able to marry, build a household with someone, or start a family. Tell your friends and family to leave you alone about it, for your sake and for the sake of others. Anyway, I am here to talk about the dating process or courtship theory, so I politely ask that we stick to that topic. Bestiality falls under 'dating and courtship' for some people, so just a few thoughts in that direction... As for interspecies sex, there is no way of knowing if an animal gets pleasure from sex, as no scientific research has been able to determine emotional capacity in animals to the extent of sex for pleasure. Some species show tendencies toward sex for pleasure, others don't. Until there is a definite way to know what an animal is thinking or how it feels, there should not be something going on like that. Washing a dog, brushing it or petting it are not the same as sexually stimulating the animal or subjecting it to penetrative sex. Tactile sensations do seem to give an animal pleasure (rubbing a cat, petting a dog, scratching behind the ears, etc) because grooming is something that physically feels good to the animal. It is not driven by hormones or pheromones like sexual activity is. Now, animals certainly have the capacity for sexual stimulation but without knowing the cognitive impact, forcing sexual stimulation on them is akin to rape. If someone can be said to love an animal, then having sex with them with no regard to how it affects them is not love. It is the narcissistic desire to map human desires and emotions on to them purely for the benefit of the person with little or no regard to the benefit of the animal.
jerseyboy Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 :oWTF, dude. Yeah, you're right - not many women are going to go "Woooowwww " at this confession. I can't figure out how the hell you think it should be okay for innocent animals that aren't able to say "no" to be taken advantage of because somebody needed to get their rocks off. Gross. That's just disturbing on so many levels. . Innocent my ass You werent there, you didnt see the way she was shaking her rear at me. So dont judge me!!
carhill Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 Trolling on a Sunday? I'd counsel keeping it to yourself...
jerseyboy Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 trolling on a sunday? i'd counsel keeping it to yourself... lol.....................
Lucky_One Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 In one van I put the mattress, blankets, etcetera in there and in the other van I put a bathtub in there along with a towel, etcetera. This means I can get up in the morning and walk to the other van to take a bath. The bathtub van totally convinced me that this is a troll. I am ashamed that it took me that long.
LucreziaBorgia Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 Eh, feeding the trolls passes the time, I guess but you never know who else might be out there thinking... "you know, I feel just like this guy does" (in terms of bestiality, not realizing that he/she is pulling our collective leg), so I try to post fairly real advice. There are plenty of 'zoo' people out there, that's for sure and I'm sure at least one or two will look at this post with real interest, at least about the animal part.
Jaytb Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 The bathtub van totally convinced me that this is a troll. I am ashamed that it took me that long. LOL! Now I can't stop giggling. I wonder what his plan is to get water in and out of the bathtub!
carhill Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 LOL! Now I can't stop giggling. I wonder what his plan is to get water in and out of the bathtub! LOL, I've seen this so can comment (from decades of camping). They hang a water bag from the ceiling of the van hooked to a hand shower or just a plain hose and hook a hose to the drain of the bathtub and run it into the bushes. For warm water, just heat the water up on the camp stove before pouring into the water bag. Hey, these guys had girlfriends/wives and I didn't so they must've been doing something right, likely the bestiality thing. Come to think of it, the dog was always smiling ....
Jaytb Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 LOL, I've seen this so can comment (from decades of camping). They hang a water bag from the ceiling of the van hooked to a hand shower or just a plain hose and hook a hose to the drain of the bathtub and run it into the bushes. For warm water, just heat the water up on the camp stove before pouring into the water bag. Hey, these guys had girlfriends/wives and I didn't so they must've been doing something right, likely the bestiality thing. Come to think of it, the dog was always smiling .... Ah, I see it now. But I wonder, why not just buy a camper that already has a full bath? It'd be easier than rigging up a hose to a bathtub. Heck I'd rather bathe in the river than do it in a van
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