They hate for not f@cking them

[jerseyboy]

Guys, come on! You're generalizing all women into some kind of satirical caricature!

 

Not all women are afraid to be rejected. Not all women want to play mind games with men. Not all women go to bars looking to get every guy there to want her. Not all women want all other women to desire her man.

 

I mean, give me a break: of course a woman will want other people to recognize the value within her significant other that attracted her--the same goes for men! No one wants to be in a relationship with someone where other people are like, "Why the H is ___ with that person?!"

 

As far as rejection goes: believe me, women know how it feels to be rejected. We get practice too. On the romantic level, it may not always be as direct as a man saying, "I'm not interested in you." However, you can tell by the way a man looks at you or interacts with you whether he is interested.

 

So this, "Women are weak flowers who can't handle rejection" is some kind of medieval nonsense.

 

 

 

Who but you said all

 

Any other strawmen you wish to set up and knock down?

 

And to be even more specific, most of us (at least true of me) arfe speaking of the attractive subset of women. The more attractive, the more true it seems to be.

 

I would imagine some 300lb girl has long since come to terms with the facxt that a little mascara isnt going to make her the belle of the ball

[bac]

My guess is that you might flirt with the girl and gave her a hope that you are into her. So, she had a crash on you.

As for public opinion on the issure, perhaps it is good when your sexual life is not public bussiness, but it is your personal problem.

 

In general, if you have an opportunity to have sex with a girl, you might want to use it, because, from what I know, there are limited number of opportunities in the life. You miss them, and this is it.

As a generalization, when you are a young man, you are in your best shape and you can get a lot of pleasure from sex. When you are older, everything is going to be different.

[always_searching]

Do you think using the word "many" as opposed to "all" makes a big difference? I ask because you do that often in your other thread on gender roles and intelligence.

 

There is a world of difference between "many" and "all." "Many" implies that there are "some"--some implying at least one--that defy the statement. So, saying "All Christians are Catholic" is quite different from saying "Many (or even 'Most') Christians are Catholic," for example.

 

Basic logic.

 

You should note, however, that my comment wasn't to your post necessarily, as the generalization (as you rightly noted) first occurred in this thread from the original post.

 

I don't disagree with you that generalizations are going to happen. LOL, that's reality for you...

[always_searching]

Who but you said all

 

Any other strawmen you wish to set up and knock down?

 

And to be even more specific, most of us (at least true of me) arfe speaking of the attractive subset of women. The more attractive, the more true it seems to be.

 

I would imagine some 300lb girl has long since come to terms with the facxt that a little mascara isnt going to make her the belle of the ball

 

jam cherries: Women are encouraged to dislike men who are not attracted to them, on the grounds that they are 'unworthy' anyway.

　

B52s: If women make the aggressive sexual move, and the guy even hesitates, and says, "let's take things slow"

 

She'll get seriously hurt or ticked-off.

 

You: Its harder for a woman to do it I think, precisely because the standards are different.

 

And frankly it is pretty humiliating for a woman to throw it out there, and have someone say no thank you. Ie if you dont even value that about her....

 

Now, don't get me wrong, the "All" was not articulated, but implied.

 

For example, how do you read the statement: "Christians are Catholic"? Do you read it as "Most," "Some," or "All"? Without the distinction, "All" is what is generally assumed.

 

So, straw-man or not, it's an issue that should be addressed, to my way of thinking. It's an issue of language as well as perception/psychology.

 

Geez...that's a man for you...*shakes head*

 

Edited November 28, 2009 by always_searching

[jerseyboy]

Not quite certain what you were trying to post there. Apparently the text became disjointed.

 

That said I don't think most reasonable readers would interpret any of those statements as all. For the most part the posters here are adults. I think were all bright enough to self proof a statement intended to communicate a general principle without having to have the poster add a qualifier to each separately.

[always_searching]

And to be even more specific, most of us (at least true of me) arfe speaking of the attractive subset of women. The more attractive, the more true it seems to be.

 

I would imagine some 300lb girl has long since come to terms with the facxt that a little mascara isnt going to make her the belle of the ball

 

Well, it's still not a true assumption. I may not be Monica Bellucci, but I am far from "unattractive." LOL, and I'm certainly nowhere near 300lbs...and, yet, the rejection hypothesis you make is certainly not the case with me.

[jerseyboy]

Well, it's still not a true assumption. I may not be Monica Bellucci, but I am far from "unattractive." LOL, and I'm certainly nowhere near 300lbs...and, yet, the rejection hypothesis you make is certainly not the case with me.

 

 

No offense

 

You may very well be iron pillar of emotional security and confidence you claim. Clearly I don't know you at all, so I wont attempt to argue a topic about an individual of whom I have no first hand knowledge.

 

Ill simply point out I hear the same claims made often, and they arfe nearly always bs.

 

Along with such standards as

 

"I'm not the jealous type"

 

"I'm not looking for a relationship"

 

"I'm definitely not a clingy girl in a relationship"

 

"Ill totally let you have anal sex with me"

[Ody]

There is a world of difference between "many" and "all." "Many" implies that there are "some"--some implying at least one--that defy the statement. So, saying "All Christians are Catholic" is quite different from saying "Many (or even 'Most') Christians are Catholic," for example.

 

Basic logic.

 

Aww come on AS. You know that wasn't my point and you know I don't need the set theory refresher course.

 

 

You should note, however, that my comment wasn't to your post necessarily, as the generalization (as you rightly noted) first occurred in this thread from the original post.

 

Well anyway if that wasn't in response to my earlier post then it's a moot point. I had assumed so since I was the too clever little bastard who came up the whole "practice make perfect" phrase your post seemed to evoke. Since that's not the case though I'll bow out of this thread and get down to some not f@cking them of my own.

[always_searching]

As far as my post that went crazy--I edited it in time. As far as language is concerned, when someone makes a general statement "X is Y," as a matter of our logic, we generally equate it with all, regardless of our "maturity." "Pizza is good." We don't generally understand it as, "Well, some pizza isn't good, but most pizza is." It's just how our brains function. So, it is important to properly articulate what you mean, else you're not properly conveying your thoughts. I blame English--it's such a supposedly specific language, but yet words hardly ever properly convey gender, and it's can be difficult to locate antecedents, etc. I'm so glad I didn't have to learn it as a second language--that must be a tremendously difficult task for foreigners.

 

No offense

 

You may very well be iron pillar of emotional security and confidence you claim. Clearly I don't know you at all, so I wont attempt to argue a topic about an individual of whom I have no first hand knowledge.

 

Ill simply point out I hear the same claims made often, and they arfe nearly always bs.

 

Along with such standards as

 

"I'm not the jealous type"

 

"I'm not looking for a relationship"

 

"I'm definitely not a clingy girl in a relationship"

 

"Ill totally let you have anal sex with me"

 

What am I taking offense to? I'd only be offended if I was 300lbs.

 

Though, I have to say, one of my good friends is in the 200's at 5'6" and she is really beautiful. I mean she has great skin and hair, beautiful facial features, etc. I, on the other hand, am 145lbs at 5'9" and don't have near the condition of skin or hair, nor the striking facial features that she has. So, I don't think that being a 300lbs girl necessarily means "mascara isn't going to help."

 

Anyway, I have as many emotional insecurities as the next person. All I'm saying is that I don't believe that "all" or even "many" or "most" women have a problem with rejection. Now, I'm not saying that rejection isn't a problem for "some" women. I know first-hand that that's the case--a girlfriend of mine last year freaked out when a guy she liked didn't return her interest. And when I say "freaked out," I mean seriously lost it. I thought I would have to take her to the hospital...she is still hung up on this guy, and it's been six months. She only knew him three months and was only ever friends with him. So, yes, I know there are women who can't handle rejection.

 

LOL, now, to relate myself to your common claims that tend to be BS (for fun):

 

I really am not the jealous type--unless my boyfriend had his tongue, penis, finger, etc. in or on another woman (or man).

 

I'd want a relationship before I have sex with a person.

 

I really don't know whether I'm "clingy"--I don't think I am. I'm too busy with school to be "clingy." However, if I really liked a guy, maybe.

 

Hahaha, no anal sex. Sorry.

[always_searching]

Aww come on AS. You know that wasn't my point and you know I don't need the set theory refresher course.

 

I know.

 

I also know that you're a smart cookie, Ody. I just wanted to be as clear as possible.

 

Since that's not the case though I'll bow out of this thread and get down to some not f@cking them of my own.

 

Oh, no! You have copious amounts of women at your place of employment demanding sex with you too?

 

LOL, it must be hard to be a man.

[always_searching]

I blame English--it's such a supposedly specific language, but yet words hardly ever properly convey gender, and it's can be difficult to locate antecedents, etc.

 

it can*

 

LOL, so much for properly conveying thoughts...

[Ody]

Oh, no! You have copious amounts of women at your place of employment demanding sex with you too?

 

I'm self employed.

 

Make of that what you will...

[BeautifulMan]

Yeah my ex was shocked and eventually stopped talking to me because I didn't want to have sex. It's pretty interesting.

[MaxNY]

now women want quick sex, whats it now, kiss on day one and sex by third or fourth date or friend zone

[jerseyboy]

now women want quick sex, whats it now, kiss on day one and sex by third or fourth date or friend zone

 

 

LOL, one girl I decided during the first date that I didnt like, dropping her off, say goodbye and shes like you arent even going to try and kiss me.

 

Dont want a seen, let me get this over with, and break up via ignore.

 

So I kiss her

 

She literally makes this annoyed sound, grabs my hand and puts it on her breast, in a "this is the way you are supposed to do it moron" look on her face

[jerseyboy]

 

LOL, now, to relate myself to your common claims that tend to be BS (for fun):

 

1)I really am not the jealous type--unless my boyfriend had his tongue, penis, finger, etc. in or on another woman (or man).

 

2)I'd want a relationship before I have sex with a person.

 

3)I really don't know whether I'm "clingy"--I don't think I am. I'm too busy with school to be "clingy." However, if I really liked a guy, maybe.

 

4)Hahaha, no anal sex. Sorry.

 

 

Sigh

 

 

Damn you #4

 

That close to true love:(

[Pizzaman81]

Is it paranoid to think some girls start to hate a guy simply because he didnt respond to their subtle sex offers?

 

They try to seduce him and when he doesnt give in (no rejection in order not to humiliate them just doesnt respond) they start to hate him.

 

Some times I was confronted by other girls, friends of some girl who supposedly had feelings for me probably. Her friend(s) told me to just make her happy by f@cking her.

 

First they were very pushy, aggressive about it like it is my fault their friend is not happy or what. So they were rude.

 

Second Im not a whore.

 

Third I dont think I would solve her problem. It would be even bigger unless I was really bad in bed or cried afterwards or something like that.

 

I just told them to mind their business and didnt give in. They f@acking hate me now. All of them. I can live with that. Im used to be hated but I would lie if I told you it doesnt bother me at all. Worst of all it is in a workplace. I go there to make money/save the world not to solve these dramas.

 

This happened to me yesterday actually on a date. I didn't respond too much to her all over my body advances. I think she was angry. And I know I am not too attracted to her.

[always_searching]

LOL, one girl I decided during the first date that I didnt like, dropping her off, say goodbye and shes like you arent even going to try and kiss me.

 

Dont want a seen, let me get this over with, and break up via ignore.

 

So I kiss her

 

She literally makes this annoyed sound, grabs my hand and puts it on her breast, in a "this is the way you are supposed to do it moron" look on her face

 

Hahahaha!

 

That's great.

 

Would you have gone for her if she would have pulled the "You can put it anywhere" line, while sticking her bum out at you?

 

What am I thinking? Of course you would have...:bunny:

[always_searching]

Sigh

 

 

Damn you #4

 

That close to true love:(

 

What is it with guys enjoying anal so much?

[jerseyboy]

What is it with guys enjoying anal so much?

 

 

LOL

 

I dont actually.

 

Its a good thing I dont have a fetish, because no one will ever let me.

 

Ill joke about it and some girls will give you the whole "Ive done it before, just have to start slow.......Id do it" getting to know you phase,and then when you actually get in bed theyre like no way you are putting that in there.

 

I dont expect it, or care. Dont feel like Im missing out or anything.

[shadowplay]

Its harder for a woman to do it I think, precisely because the standards are different.

 

And frankly it is pretty humiliating for a woman to throw it out there, and have someone say no thank you. Ie if you dont even value that about her....

 

Agreed. I threw myself once at a guy (never again), and I was seriously hurt when he declined. It's crushing, because it's as if the person is saying there's nothing of value about you. Of course they aren't, but that's how it may feel.

 

I wasn't rude to him about it after, though.

[jerseyboy]

Hahahaha!

 

That's great.

 

Would you have gone for her if she would have pulled the "You can put it anywhere" line, while sticking her bum out at you?

 

What am I thinking? Of course you would have...:bunny:

 

 

Nah didnt like her

 

Spent all night talking about everyone she knew and all the stuff they had. Bit of a social climber

 

I have to listen to that enough entertaining clients and their wives.

[jerseyboy]

Agreed. I threw myself once at a guy (never again), and I was seriously hurt when he declined. It's crushing, because it's as if the person is saying there's nothing of value about you. Of course they aren't, but that's how it may feel.

 

I wasn't rude to him about it after, though.

 

 

Honestly dont take it like that hon. There are a lot of reeasons that have nothing to do with you.

 

I always needed time for example after leaving a relationship before starting up with anyone new. Didnt have anything at all to do with the woman, a lot fo whom at any other time Id of certainly asked out.

 

Sometimes its just as simple as you dont think you are right relationship wise, the girl seems nce, and like she would take it hard if it got that far and fell apart, so you just end it before it starts. Or shes in yoru social circle and you dont want the drama,

 

Young girls are the worse. Trying to tell them Im too old for you.

 

Could go on forever

[Sam Spade]

hee, hee, hee,

 

If I was single, I wouldn't reject anybody. I'd just let the affection of thousands of girlies to was over me like a tsunami:lmao:. (Gotta give them something to talk about to their grand kids .)

[Sam Spade]

What is it with guys enjoying anal so much?

 

I've never tried it, but I can explain anyway ==> much more intense stimulation, combined with the necessarily borderline violent nature of the penetration - what's not to like .