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I am dealing with a person who is in denial about the danger of her relationship situation. I am doing all I can to try to keep her from walking back into the situation. I think I'm getting through. At least I hope so. This one has complications that are over my head, but so far she'll talk to no 'outsiders' so it's me. Please say a prayer or burn your barbecue as sacrifice or request cosmic intervention from the universe that I manage to persuade her to not endanger herself by going back even to get possessions.

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How frightening! And so stressful for you, too, Moimeme. I pray that everything turns out all right. If she insists on going, hire her a bodyguard. Seriously. If her life could be in danger, it's not too much.

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You are a good friend aren't you?

 

If she doesn't listen to you and you end up accompanying her to get her possessions PLEASE PLEASE bring along other people (for safety reasons).

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I don't want to go at all. I told her I'd call the police to accompany her if she tried to go on her own and she got FURIOUS with me. But what do I do? Let her walk into potential danger alone? Go with her and both of us get in trouble?

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Good for you moi. Not that youre a person who generally needs encouragement, but you seem to be doing a great job. I know how hard it is to get a freind away from an abusive relationship. Best of luck, Im sure it will work out fine with you by your freinds side

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o, moi, how hard on you. you're a good friend. i really hate to ask this, but is there any male friend or relative that can come with you? barring that, any official that she would allow to come? even a mediator, security guy, something?

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Please, please, do not put yourself in danger!

If she believes she has nothing to fear from this man, why would she refuse a police escort "just in case?" What if you told her that "you" would feel more comfortable with them there? Oh my God, why do women put themselves in these situations?!? I had a friend who worked at a women's shelter. The horror, the horror! WHY?!

I feel so much for you, Moimeme. But please don't risk your life. Is there a way you can arrange for security for her in a discreet way?

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You say she's not willing to talk to outsiders about this, but it may be necessary to get outside help especially if she's going to be putting her life and possibly yours in danger.

 

You might lose a friend over this, but it's easier to revive a friendship than it is to revive a - well you get my drift.

 

Do you think you might be able to get help/advice from the women's shelters in your area?

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Some stuff I googled:

 

How Can Victims Get Help?

There is help available and people who care. This is Cycle of Personal Responsibility (COPR). It is broken down into these 5 steps so victims can empower themselves and seek help.

 

Awareness - First the victim must become aware that there is a problem, its not their fault, they won’t take it any, and they can do something about it.

 

Options - The second thing to do is list possible solutions. It may seem like you have no options when you are caught in a bad situation, but you do.

 

Examples of some options are:

 

Leave the place where the abuse is taking place

Contact a domestic violence organization/shelter and get their assistance

Join a support group

Call 911 for police assistance

Identify other safe places and safe people

Contact a friend, counselor, neighbor, or someone you trust to seek help or just talk

Choice - The third thing to do is to choose the option that is best and safest for you. If your choice doesn’t work try another option, no one deserves to be abused.

 

Plan - The fourth thing to do is make sure that you will be safe in the process of getting help. (Example: Get to a phone at a safe location and time when the abuser can not hurt you.

 

Do It - Lastly, make the call, get help, and do what need to be done. No one deserves to be abused.

 

Remember if you are abused you are not alone

 

How to Support a Friend who is being Abused

Listen to the Victim

Try to be understanding and believe them

Never pass judgement on the victim or the abuser

Be sensitive toward what they are saying

Take things seriously

Don’t interrupt them while they are speaking

Validate their feelings and strengths.

Foster Empowerment (Options not Advice)

Never tell the victim what to do

Give options so they can make their own decisions and empower themselves

Provide them with the resources so they can seek more assistance if they want to

Make sure they understand that no one deserves abuse and its not their fault

Strictly Confidential

Everything they tell you is strictly confidential

The reason why they are telling you anything is because they trust you

Don’t take matters into your own hands

Connect Them to Resources

If you see signs of physical abuse, notify the authorities

If you are afraid or cannot handle what the victim is talking about give them resources where they can seek help

Help devise a safety plan

Be Respectful toward their Decisions

Regardless of whether they want help or not, let them know that you will always be there.

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I know how hard it is to see a loved one heading down a path that you know will prove disastrous for them. And definitely as her friend you should tell her what you think, as you have been doing. People get caught up in the little details and considerations that only they are privy to -- and they fail to see the bigger picture that more objective people can see.

 

So it's hard. It's also hard to feel that you are responsible for another person's well-being. Right now it sounds like you are the only thing standing between your friend and a potentially dangerous situation. And even so you're barely holding her back. That's a lot of pressure. And maybe you're even a little caught up in the details -- you mentioned that you're the only person she has confided in, the only person who is aware of the situation. Is that for the best?

 

A few months ago a friend of mine was in a really bad state, and was heading back into a situation that was dangerous physically and emotionally. It involved his job. In a couple of emails to me sent over the course of a couple of days he mentioned suicide because he was so depressed. He was half way around the world, so I couldn't get to him. But I got in touch with his sister, and with his boss, and let them know what he'd been saying to me. He knows I spoke with his sister, but he doesn't know I talked to his boss. At first he was pissed off at me for talking to his sister, but he soon recognized that I'd done what any responsible person would do. I didn't doubt for a second that I had done the right thing. In the meantime I'd been communicating with him myself, and thankfully he pulled through his crisis. I don't know how much of it was because of me directly, or because of assistance I was indirectly responsible for by alerting others to the problem. But I never could have lived with myself if he hurt himself and I hadn't tried to do everything I could to stop it.

 

When someone is in crisis where their health and safety are at risk, the more people who know the better. More people looking out for the troubled person. More people able to intervene if needed. Not only is it a burden to you to feel that you are solely responsible for getting your friend through her crisis, it might be unreasonable to think that you can do it single-handedly. Breaking a confidence when the person's safety is at stake is, in my view, completely ethical.

 

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

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More stuff I googled from letsprotect.com - I looked up your profile and saw Canada so these are Canadian numbers. These are helplines for sexual assault, but it says somewhere that domestic violence is something they also deal with.

 

There is help out there if you know where to look. We have and will be continuing to place help and resource centres on this page for all of North America and the world. If there are other centres that you know of, please Email them to us so others will be able to locate them in the city they live in. The people who work in these resource centres are wonderful people that are there to help you no matter what your situation may be. If you need someone to talk to or to find out what your rights are, they are there. If you need full protection, legal resources, or financial help, they can help you make a more informed decision. You have the strength to overcome any situation, and with the appropriate help, support and guidence, you will.

 

 

 

 

Sexual Assault Treatment Centres (SATC's) provide care to women, men and children who have recently been sexually assaulted. There are 28 hospital-based programs in Ontario Canada. Services include: emergency medical and nursing care, crisis intervention, forensic evidence collection, medical follow-up, and counselling. Domestic Violence is now also included under their mandate at specific centres.

 

SATC's services are based on the following values:

-To provide care in a non-judgmental manner

-To assist the victim/survivor to reclaim her/his autonomy

-To encourage the victim/survivor to make decisions

about their own care

-To deem the assailant responsible for the violent behaviour

-To recognize that Sexual Assault and Domestic Violence are critical issues that must be addressed by the health care, social and political system.

 

 

 

Let's Define Sexual Assault.

Sexual Assault is any form of sexual activity with another person without her or his consent. It is recognized as a crime of violence. During an assault, the sexual acts serve as a vehicle for acting out aggression, hostility, and/or control.

 

Let's Define Domestic Violence.

Domestic Violence is the abuse between persons who have known each other in an intimate, sexual or familiar way. Abuse is the misuse of power with the intent of harming or controlling another person. This abuse can be physical, mental, sexual, or economical.

 

 

 

 

24 HOUR EMERGENCY NUMBERS FOR THE TORONTO AREA

Emergency 911

Assaulted Women's Helpline (416) 863-0511

Toronto Rape Crisis Centre (416)597-8808

Distress Centres (416) 598-1121 (416) 486-1456

Sexual Assault/Rape Crisis Center of Peel (905) 273-9442

York Region Women's Sexual Assault Helpline (416) 213-7499 (905) 895-7313

S.O.S. Femmes French Crisis Line (416) 759-0138

Kids Help Phone 1-800-668-6868

Children's Aid Society (416) 924-4646

Catholic Children's Aid Society (416) 395-1500

Woman's Own Withdrawal Management Centre (416) 603-1462

 

 

 

 

ONTARIO NETWORK OF SEXUAL ASSAULT CARE/TREATMENT CENTRES.

 

Belleville Sexual Assault Response Team (613)969-0294

Brantford General Hospital (519) 751-5507

Chatham/Kent Health Alliance (519) 352-6400 ext. 2699

Cornwall General Hospital (613) 932-3000 ext. 4202

Dufferin County Sexual Assault Program,

Orangeville (519) 941-2410 ext. 2255

Durham Regional Sexual Assault Care Centre, Oshawa (905) 668-3050

Guelph General Hospital (519) 822-5350 ext. 728

Hamilton Health Sciences Corp. (905) 521-2100 ext. 73185

Kenora Lake of the Woods District Hospital (807) 468-9861 ext. 428

Kitchener/Waterloo Waterloo Region Sexual Assault Treatment Centre (519) 749-6994

Smith Falls Lanark County Sexual Assault Program (613) 257-1837 / (613) 283-2330 ext. 1258

Brockville Leeds & Grenville Sexual Assault Program (613) 345-3881

London St. Joseph's Health Centre Domestic Violence Program (519) 646-6100 ext. 64579

Mississauga Trillium Health Centre Domestic Violence Program (905) 848-7580 ext. 7493

Orillia Sexual Assault Treatment Centre Domestic Violence Program (705) 327-9155

Ottawa Sexual Assault Treatment Program (613) 798-5555 ext. 6555

Owen Sound Sexual Assault Care Centre (519) 376-2121 ext. 2458

Peterborough Sexual Assault Program (705) 743-4132

Renfrew County Sexual Assault/Partner Assault Program (613) 432-4851 ext. 224

Richmond Hill York Region Sexual Assault Care Centre (905) 883-2383

Sarnia General Hospital (519) 464-4522

Sault Ste. Marie Sault Area Hospitals (705) 759-5143

Scarborough The Scarborough Grace Division (416) 495-2555

Sioux Lookout Sexual Assault Program (807) 737-3030 ext. 2024

St. Catharines General Hospital (905) 684-7271 ext. 5301

Sudbury St. Joseph's Health Centre Domestic Violence Program (705) 675-4743

Toronto Hospital for Sick Children (416) 813-6178

Toronto Sunnybrook & Women's College Health Sciences Centre Domestic Violence Program

(416) 323-6040

Windsor Hotel Dieu Grace Hospital Domestic Violence Program (519) 255-2234

Provincial Coordinator for SATC's Toronto (416) 323-6400 ext. 4472

 

 

 

 

Shelters and Hostels, Toronto Area:

 

Hostel Services Central Intake (416) 397-5637

Street Helpline (416) 392-3777

Anduhyaun Residence (416) 920-1492

Covenant House Emergency Shelter for Youth (416) 598-4898

Emily Stowe Shelter for Women Scarborough (416) 264-4357

Ernestine's Women's Shelter Rexdale (416) 746-3701

Fred Victor Centre Women's Hostel (416) 368-2642

Horizons for Youth Emergency Shelter (416) 781-9898

Interim Place Mississauga (905) 271-1860

Interval House (416) 924-1491

Juliette's Place Scarborough (416) 724-1316

Nellie's (416) 461-1084

North York Women's Shelter (416) 635-9630

Oshawa YMCA Women's Residence (416) 576-8880

Redwood Women's Shelter (416) 533-8538

Salvations Army Evangeline Shelter (416) 762-9636

Society of St. Vincent De Paul Mary's Home (416) 595-1578

Society of St. Vincent De Paul Rendu House (416) 864-0792

Woodgreen Red Door family Shelter (416) 469-3457

Women in Transition Bloor House (416) 533-1175

Women in Transition Spadina House (416) 967-5227

Women's Habitat of Etobicoke (416) 252-5829

Yellow Brick House Aurora (905) 727-1944

Yorktown Shelter for Women (416) 394-2999

YWCA Women's Shelter (416) 693-7342

YWCA Stop 86 Young Women (416) 922-3271

YWCA Woodlawn Women's Emergency Shelter (416) 923-8454

 

 

 

 

ALBERTA

 

ANZAC Crisis Line 780-743-4357 Link to Helpline-Fort McMurray

ATHABASCA 1-800-565-3801 Athabasca Crisis Association

BANFF Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

BARRHEAD Crisis Line 1-800-232-7288

BARONS Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

BASSANO Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

BLAIREMORE Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

BLACKFOOT RESERVE Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

BLOOD RESERVE Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

BOW ISLAND Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

BROCKET Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

BROOKS Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

CALGARY Distress Centre/Drug Centre Crisis Line 403-266-1605

Teen Line 403-264-8336

Canadian Mental Health Association, Suicide Services 403-297-1744

Mental Health Line, 403-777-2200, 4:00pm to 12:00pm with link to the Distress Centre Crisis line during other hours.

Eastside and Westside Family Centres, crisis 403-299-9699, or 1-800-563-6106

CALGARY Telecare Crisis Line 403-266-0700

CAMROSE Crisis Line 780-672-4357

CANMORE Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

CARDSTON Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

CLARESHOLM Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

COALDALE Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

COALHURST Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

COCHRANE Crisis Line 403-932-7707

COLD LAKE Crisis Line 780-594-3353

LAKELAND Mental Health Crisis Line 1-800-255-3353 (Lakeland region only)

COLEMAN Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

CONKLIN Crisis Line 1-800-565-3801

COUTTS Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

COWLEY Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

DRAYTON VALLEY Crisis Line 1 800 232-7288

EDEN VALLEY RESERVE Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

EDMONTON Support Network Crisis Line 780-482-4357

EDMONTON Salvation Army Crisis Line 780-429-0230

EDSON Crisis Line 1-800-232-7288

ENILDA Crisis Line 780-523-4357

FAIRVIEW Crisis Line 780-835-2120

FORT CHIPEWYAN Crisis Line 1-800-565-3801

FORT MACLEOD Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

FORT McKAY Crisis Line 780-743-4357

FORT McMURRAY Crisis Line 780-743-4357

GLEICHEN Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

GRANDE CACHE Crisis Line 780-827-4004

GRANDE PRAIRIE Crisis Line 780-539-6666

HIGH LEVEL Crisis Line 780-926-3899

HIGH PRAIRIE Crisis Line 1-800-232-7288

HIGH RIVER Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

HINTON Crisis Line 1-800-232-7288

JASPER Crisis Line 1-800-232-7288

LAC LA BICHE Crisis Line 1-800-565-3801

LAKELAND MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS LINE Lakeland Region only - 1-800-255-3353

LAKE LOUISE Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

LETHBRIDGE The Samaritans Crisis Line 320-1212 or 1-800-667-8089

MCGRATH Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

MEDICINE HAT Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

MILK RIVER Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

MORLEY Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

NANTON Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

OKOTOKS Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

OYEN Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

PEACE RIVER Crisis Line 780-624-2244

PEIGAN RESERVE Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

PICTURE BUTTE Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

PINCHER CREEK Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

RAYMOND Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

REDCLIFF Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

RED DEER Crisis Line 403-340-1120

SLAVE LAKE Crisis Line 780-849-2999

ST. PAUL Crisis Line 780-645-5195 or 1-800-263-3045

STRATHMORE Crisis Line 403-934-6634

STONEY RESERVE Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

SUCKER CREEK Womens Shelter Crisis Line 780-523-4357

TABER Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

TURNER VALLEY Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

VAUXHALL Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

VEGREVILLE Crisis Line 780-632-7070

VERMILION Crisis Line 1-800-661-4606

VULCAN Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

WABASCA/DEMARAIS Crisis Line 1-800-565-3801

WATERTON PARK Crisis Line 1-800-667-8089

WHITECOURT Crisis Line 1-800-232-7288

 

 

 

 

BRITISH COLUMBIA (Vancouver Island)

 

CAMPBELL RIVER Crisis Line 250-287-7743

COWICHAN Crisis Line 250-748-1133

NANAIMO - Central Vancouver Island Crisis Society Crisis Line 250-754-4447

COURTENAY/COMOX - Crossroads Crisis Centre Society Crisis Line Crisis Line 250-334-2455

PARKSVILLE/QUALICUM BEACH-District 69 Crisis Line 250-248-3111

PORT HARDY - North Island Crisis & Counselling Centre Society Crisis Line 250-949-6033

PORT ALBERNI - KUU-US Crisis Society Crisis Line 250-723-4050

VICTORIA - NEED Crisis & Information - Crisis Line 250-386-6323

 

 

(Lower Mainland/Frasier Valley)

ABBOTSFORD - Central Fraser Valley Telecare Crisis Line 604-852-9099

CHILLIWACK - Crisis Line 604-792-7242

RICHMOND - Chimo Crisis Services Crisis Line English 604-279-7070 Crisis Line Cantonese 604-278-8283 Crisis Line Mandarin 604-279-8882

MISSION - Mission Community Services Crisis Line 604-820-1166 Teen Crisis Line 24 hours 604-462-7900

COQUITLAM - Greater Coquitlam Crisis and Information Crisis Line 604-540-2221

NORTH VANCOUVER - Squamish Nation Crisis Centre Crisis Line 604-904-1257

SURREY - South Fraser Regional Crisis Line Crisis Line 604-951-8855

VANCOUVER - Crisis Intervention & Suicide Prevention and Suicide Prevention Centre for Greater Vancouver Crisis Line 604-872-3311

 

 

(Northern B.C.)

WILLIAMS LAKE -Crisis and Counselling Program Crisis Line 250-398-8224

PRINCE GEORGE - Prince George Crisis Intervention Society Crisis Line 250-563-1214 Teen Crisis Line 250-564-8336

 

 

 

 

NEW BRUNSWICK

 

CHIMO HELPLINE Crisis Line 450-4357 Provincial Toll free 1-800-667-5005

HELP AU SECOURS INC. Crisis Line 506-859-4357

 

 

 

 

NORTHWEST TERRITORIES

 

KAMATSIAQTUT- Baffin Island - Crisis Line 819-979-3333 Toll Free 1-800-265-3333

KEEWATIN CRISIS LINE - Rankin Inlet - Crisis Line 819-645-3333

HELPLINE WESTERN ARCTIC - Yellowknife - Crisis Line - 1-800-661-0844

 

 

 

 

NOVA SCOTIA

 

Metro Help Line - (24 hours) (crisis) 902 421-1188

Nova Scotia Youth Help Line Phone 1-800-420-8336

Valley Care Line (crisis) 902 825-4884

Sydney Help Line (crisis) 902 562-4357

Pictou County Help Line (crisis) 902 752-5952

South Shore Help Line (crisis) 902 742-1331

 

 

 

 

SASKATCHEWAN

 

North East Crisis Intervention Centre Melfort (crisis) 306 752-9455 24 Hour

West Central Crisis & Family Support Centre Kindersley (crisis) 306 463-4357

Mobile Crisis Services Regina (crisis) 757-7803

Prince Albert Mobile Crisis Unit Cooperative (crisis) 306 764-1011

Saskatoon Crisis Intervention Service (crisis) 306 933-6200

South West Crisis Services, Ltd. Swift Current (crisis) 306 778-3833

 

 

 

 

 

YUKON

 

Yukon Crisis Line Yukon Territory (crisis) 403 668-9111

 

 

 

 

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Cindy, Iamnot, Caterpillar, Niko, Jenny, Midori

 

Thank you so much for your time and trouble. I really appreciate it.

 

She went back. She went to have a nap, she said. She called him and he did the old abuse song-and-dance and she's gone back. I couldn't stop her and she wouldn't let me go with. I called the shelter and the police but nobody can do anything unless she reports something and she flatly refused. :(

 

Midori - she has told several people. In fact, this guy's rep was known before she started going out with him. I had her talk to two other friends today. Nobody could budge her. She seemed to be having a sense of it all for a while but she slipped right back. It's as though she thinks if she wishes it not to be true hard enough, it won't be.

 

o, moi, how hard on you. you're a good friend. i really hate to ask this, but is there any male friend or relative that can come with you? barring that, any official that she would allow to come? even a mediator, security guy, something?

 

Nope. It's Thanksgiving. Everybody's with friends or family. She refused all help. Doesn't want to 'embarrass' the guy before his friends.

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I know this must be so frustrating for you.

 

The only thing you can do now is just be there for her and hope she comes to her senses.

 

I'll say a prayer for both of you tonight.

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Not so much frustrating as I feel as though I've failed.

 

Thanks. Prayers are needed for sure.

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You haven't failed. In fact, you've done more than most people are willing to do.

 

Failure is attained only when we say and do nothing.

 

I'm still hoping things will turn around.

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Yeah. Me too. Maybe he'll do just enough to scare her into getting out and staying out without actually damaging her.

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YOu havent failed. Failing would be if you gave up on her, an dsaid "to hell with you" and you didnt do that. Keep trying, becuase the chances of you getting her away the first time, for good, isnt very likley. And just continue to be her freind, butt in even when she doesnt want you to, becuase she really does want you to. Correction, she really NEEDS you to. Seh seems like the kind of person that has a bit of hard time standing up for herself, at least, that is what I have found of people in abusive realtionships. You, as hard as it is right now, need to continue to be a piller of streagnth for her, and by doing so, you will not fail, you will succeed.

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Thanks. I sure hope so. She's coming over today and I asked her to do a safety plan with me.

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