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Old 10th March 2019, 5:12 PM   #46
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Double sigh.

No, high functioning means high functioning for a human being.

If you don't have personal experience or knowledge (which is totally fine if a bit too obvious), you could try a little empathy which, ironically is meant to be the domain of the 'normal' people...

Or even better, before posting on ASD, why not spend some time either genuinely getting to know people on the spectrum?
I'm more than happy to help by DM.
Thank you LittleBlackHeart for articulating this (to me, it's stating the obvious, even though to many/most it doesn't appear to be). Well said.
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Old 10th March 2019, 5:36 PM   #47
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Okay thanks. I think he just feels really ashamed of himself and needs a confidence boost with the opposite gender.

He keeps asking for me to help but I don't know what to do... Do you think that maybe he got laid, he may get a confidence boost? I remember when I lost my virginity, it gave me a real confidence boost way back, but is that common for a lot of guys, especially shy guys who feel that all women don't like them?
If he can't get a date, I think the only way he could get laid would be if you hired somebody to sleep with him. Unless you want to deceive him, he would know what you'd done. I don't see how that would help him feel better about himself. Besides, it's illegal to hire somebody for that. People have been convicted and lost their jobs for soliciting a prostitute, so it's a risky business. I don't think it would be worth it.

I remember seeing a news show about an autistic couple who were married and had met through a support group for autistic people. It seemed to work for them. It's a shame they don't have more groups for autistic people to meet each other.
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Old 10th March 2019, 6:27 PM   #48
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Double sigh.

No, high functioning means high functioning for a human being.
No it doesn't.
You may be extremely "high functioning" but that is just anecdotal and individual to you.
It has nothing to do with the general use of the term.

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High-functioning autism (HFA) is a term applied to people with autism who are deemed to be cognitively "higher functioning" (with an IQ of greater than 70) than other people with autism.
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Old 10th March 2019, 6:47 PM   #49
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Treble sigh

This wiki definition has been challenged countless times on account of the fact that 1. it is actually near impossible to measure the IQ of non verbal autistic people and 2. every single case of ASD is anecdotal.
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No it doesn't.
You may be extremely "high functioning" but that is just anecdotal and individual to you.
It has nothing to do with the general use of the term.
No. HFA does NOT have anything to do with IQ.

It has to do with functioning as a human. HFA individuals are just that....high function the same as a neurotypical person that is HF.
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Old 10th March 2019, 6:56 PM   #51
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Autism has NOTHING to do with IQ. Not at ALL.
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Old 10th March 2019, 7:02 PM   #52
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I didn't get that quote from wiki.
It does seem to be very prevalent on Autism sites though so I suppose they have all got it wrong...


OK lets go to proper research
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Individuals with HFASDs tend to be deficient in several social domains including social reciprocity, developing and maintaining peer relationships, and nonverbal cue use and recognition. Similarly, individuals with HFASDs have a higher incidence of comorbid conditions, including severe social anxiety and depression, than their typically developing peers. These deficits lead to impairment in social-emotional functioning that can have detrimental effects on quality of life.
Hardly "normal".
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Autism has NOTHING to do with IQ. Not at ALL.
indeed Wallysbears, my good friend Chip has an autistic daughter who is low functioning. She is very misbehaved and writes her name in feces on the bathroom wall. Her own mother could not take care of her. Her father could not take care of her. She now lives in Cincinnati in adult foster care meant for autistic people. She does have a great personality, however.
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Old 10th March 2019, 7:13 PM   #54
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Autism has NOTHING to do with IQ. Not at ALL.
Yes, it's common knowledge now. elaine's quote is very outdated and is only a layperson reference point. HFA isn't an actual medical diagnosis, just a short-hand.

When I was diagnosed a few years ago, I was never asked or tested for my IQ, nor was my son. This isn't actually part of the diagnostic process nowadays, and hasn't been for quite some time, for the simple reason that measuring IQ is notoriously difficult in autism.
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Old 10th March 2019, 7:26 PM   #55
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I didn't get that quote from wiki.
It does seem to be very prevalent on Autism sites though so I suppose they have all got it wrong...


OK lets go to proper research

Hardly "normal".
Your quote comes from this paper:

Emerging Perspectives on Adolescents
and Young Adults With High-
Functioning Autism Spectrum
Disorders, Violence, and Criminal Law

1. It references HFAs as being of average or above average intelligence, that is directly refuting your definition.

2. It has a specific scope.

3. It makes it seem like you haven't actually researched anything. You're just quoting bits of stuff that suit you without the background knowledge to back it up.

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The general population has very little understanding at all about autism.
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The general population has very little understanding at all about autism.
Which would be fine if they didn't pretend to have any understanding or knowledge about it.

As if neurotypicals were all bright, smart, lawful, socially aware, mentally and emotionally healthy..
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I stand by the premise that High functioning autistic individuals are high functioning in respect of ASD and not in respect of the general population.
I see nothing that refutes that.
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I stand by the premise that High functioning autistic individuals are high functioning in respect of ASD and not in respect of the general population.
I see nothing that refutes that.
Want a list?

How is this. All individuals with “high functioning autism”

Dan Aykroyd – Comedic Actor
Hans Christian Andersen – Children’s Author
Benjamin Banneker – African American almanac author, surveyor, naturalist, and farmer
Susan Boyle – Singer
Tim Burton – Movie Director
Lewis Carroll – Author of “Alice in Wonderland”
Henry Cavendish – Scientist
Charles Darwin – Naturalist, Geologist, and Biologist
Emily Dickinson – Poet
Paul Dirac – Physicist
Albert Einstein – Scientist & Mathematician
Bobby Fischer – Chess Grandmaster
Bill Gates – Co-founder of the Microsoft Corporation
Temple Grandin – Animal Scientist
Daryl Hannah – Actress & Environmental Activist
Thomas Jefferson – Early American Politician
Steve Jobs – Former CEO of Apple
James Joyce – Author of “Ulysses”
Alfred Kinsey – Sexologist & Biologist
Stanley Kubrick – Film Director
Barbara McClintock – Scientist and Cytogeneticist
Michelangelo – Sculptor, Painter, Architect, Poet
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart – Classical Composer
Sir Isaac Newton – Mathematician, Astronomer, & Physicist
Jerry Seinfeld – Comedian
Satoshi Tajiri – Creator of Nintendo’s Pokémon
Nikola Tesla – Inventor
Andy Warhol – Artist
Ludwig Wittgenstein – Philosopher
William Butler Yeats – Poet
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Stand by whatever you want, elaine. You see nothing refuting it because you've not really researched it, experienced it, or even read the paper you quoted from.

Here is a link, explaining in detail the link between autism and intelligence, to start you off.
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