Can women smell madness?

[Necris]

Odd question I know.

 

But I was thinking about my life, and my total inability to attract women, how I've never had a girlfriend, virgin, never had a first kiss, etc. and I'm nearing my mid twenties, when this idea came to me could I be mad and women can actually see it?

 

This year I haven't even tried to meet any women not once. The desire just wasn't there as I've been dealing with problems with stress and my mental health as I feel like something's up.

 

I have been having these constant racing insane intrusive obsessive thoughts, constant anxiety, thinking has been off, getting clumsier than usual, feelings of paranoia, no desire to do much of anything can't even hang out with friends and hygiene has diminished, worse concentration and memory, starting to freak out easily over things/can't handle stress, feel like this world isn't real, harder to express emotion, and had some minor possibly hallucinatory experiences.

 

After talking to someone they recommended I go see a psychiatrist and I ended up seeing two, they seemed super concerned that I may be in the early stages of developing Schizophrenia though my psychiatrist also stated he thinks its just Generalized Anxiety Disorder and OCD but possibly just Depression and told me he really doesn't know but he wanted me to try Prozac and see what happens. Though I declined as the side effects of Prozac use seemed like it could make me feel worse, like suicidal thoughts when I already have such thoughts (my mind occasionally tells me to kill myself or others).

 

Anyway point I was making perhaps I have always been a little crazy and women can somehow sense this and are like "Nope." Could this be possible?

[todreaminblue]

part of schizo type episodes is that you believe others know your thoughts.....or can sense things about you you would rather they not sense.....a lot of the time people who are having feelings of paranoia wont look people in the eyes...that can cause others to become wary ...and yes it is obvious...but not for the reasons you think...i would nto fi i were you entertain the idea of developing a relationship outside the relationship of a caring professional to talk to especially concerning the thoughts.....about harming others......by rights......they should have put you under observation......did you tell them you have thoughts of killing others and or yourself...so basically saying you are a danger to others and yourself....is normally a hospital stay...deb

[Jame22]

Odd question I know.

 

But I was thinking about my life, and my total inability to attract women, how I've never had a girlfriend, virgin, never had a first kiss, etc. and I'm nearing my mid twenties, when this idea came to me could I be mad and women can actually see it?

 

This year I haven't even tried to meet any women not once. The desire just wasn't there as I've been dealing with problems with stress and my mental health as I feel like something's up.

 

I have been having these constant racing insane intrusive obsessive thoughts, constant anxiety, thinking has been off, getting clumsier than usual, feelings of paranoia, no desire to do much of anything can't even hang out with friends and hygiene has diminished, worse concentration and memory, starting to freak out easily over things/can't handle stress, feel like this world isn't real, harder to express emotion, and had some minor possibly hallucinatory experiences.

 

After talking to someone they recommended I go see a psychiatrist and I ended up seeing two, they seemed super concerned that I may be in the early stages of developing Schizophrenia though my psychiatrist also stated he thinks its just Generalized Anxiety Disorder and OCD but possibly just Depression and told me he really doesn't know but he wanted me to try Prozac and see what happens. Though I declined as the side effects of Prozac use seemed like it could make me feel worse, like suicidal thoughts when I already have such thoughts (my mind occasionally tells me to kill myself or others).

 

Anyway point I was making perhaps I have always been a little crazy and women can somehow sense this and are like "Nope." Could this be possible?

 

Now would be a good time to change your avatar.

 

On a more serious note. Do not take any drugs! Most of this stuff can be managed through diet and exercise.

 

Look into subjects like vitamin D3 supplementation, Omega 3 fatty acids, Coconut oil, eliminating gluten and sugar ect. Lift weights, eat plenty of vegetables fat and protein, get plenty of sunlight, and stay the hell away from Prozac.

 

There is plenty of information online. Google is your friend.

[Necris]

part of schizo type episodes is that you believe others know your thoughts.....or can sense things about you you would rather they not sense.....a lot of the time people who are having feelings of paranoia wont look people in the eyes...that can cause others to become wary ...and yes it is obvious...but not for the reasons you think...i would nto fi i were you entertain the idea of developing a relationship outside the relationship of a caring professional to talk to especially concerning the thoughts.....about harming others......by rights......they should have put you under observation......did you tell them you have thoughts of killing others and or yourself...so basically saying you are a danger to others and yourself....is normally a hospital stay...deb

 

Well the suicidal thoughts aren't actually desires just these thoughts that just seem to come into my head essentially thoughts that aren't my own, and more of just kind of freaky and mostly an annoyance. So I don't think I'm a danger to anyone.

[todreaminblue]

Well the suicidal thoughts aren't actually desires just these thoughts that just seem to come into my head essentially thoughts that aren't my own, and more of just kind of freaky and mostly an annoyance. So I don't think I'm a danger to anyone.

 

thoughts of harming others....or killing as you put it ...are dangerous....you said the sshrinks were super concerned...that would be one reason why.....

 

 

i have shizo affective disporder and i have not at any time had voices tell me to kill others myself yes.....everyone hates me or wants me gone yes had those thoughts...down to how to kill myself where to kill myself and that everyone is better off without me in their life............i guess my overall core personality which has a defined reason never to harm another is too strong for the voices to even consider hurting another.......and voicing it.....or maybe i am not schizo affective at all and a multiple personality as i believe i am...just not diagnosed.....

 

the fact remains i have had relationships and can maintain relationships...and even after they break they continue to be part of my life........because no part of me wants to hurt someone.....

 

 

you do have to explore the thoughts of hurting others and yourself with someone professional and caring...........i dont think others can tell you are mentally unstable....but your eyes probably do sometimes....portray that you are not secure with others..........deb

[Necris]

Anyway is it possible that I may actually have something wrong with me and I'm somehow giving it away?

[angel.eyes]

We don't know you personally, at least I don't. Perhaps take a look at the impression you give people, especially in your first few interactions. More important than the specific words you use, are the way in which you interact with others, whether your interactions are socially appropriate, and how well you read social cues then adjust and adapt your behavior to the situation.

 

Another poster made a facetious comment about your avatar. Think about what your avatar says about you. That visual is the very first impression you've elected to give us.

[Necris]

Now would be a good time to change your avatar.

 

On a more serious note. Do not take any drugs! Most of this stuff can be managed through diet and exercise.

 

Look into subjects like vitamin D3 supplementation, Omega 3 fatty acids, Coconut oil, eliminating gluten and sugar ect. Lift weights, eat plenty of vegetables fat and protein, get plenty of sunlight, and stay the hell away from Prozac.

 

There is plenty of information online. Google is your friend.

 

I agree, drugs will **** you up, even if I did develop some full blown schizophrenia I still wouldn't take drugs because the side effects are pretty incredible for alot of these pharmaceuticals.

 

Yeah maybe eating better and exercise could help, though I do walk/bike a few miles (like 4-8) everyday perhaps I need a little more.

[Necris]

part of schizo type episodes is that you believe others know your thoughts.....or can sense things about you you would rather they not sense.....a lot of the time people who are having feelings of paranoia wont look people in the eyes...that can cause others to become wary ...and yes it is obvious...but not for the reasons you think...i would nto fi i were you entertain the idea of developing a relationship outside the relationship of a caring professional to talk to especially concerning the thoughts

 

I forgot to address this but no I could never tell people some of my crazy thoughts even a psychiatrist, they are just too disturbing at times best keep some things between me and myself.

 

As for the paranoia I guess that's how I feel. Recently though I've been feeling some sort of presence that's following me around, watching me.

 

Also are you saying you would not try to get in a relationship if you were me?

[Jame22]

I agree, drugs will **** you up, even if I did develop some full blown schizophrenia I still wouldn't take drugs because the side effects are pretty incredible for alot of these pharmaceuticals.

 

Yeah maybe eating better and exercise could help, though I do walk/bike a few miles (like 4-8) everyday perhaps I need a little more.

 

You sound like a smart dude. Good call

 

and nah, when it comes to exercise less is more. Maybe just pick up the intensity a little bit and do some strength exercises. Even 5X100 yard sprints in 20 minutes or so will get you in much better shape than 4 miles of walking or even jogging. I know it sucks, but it's well worth it.

 

Watch Elliot Hulse's "Exercise for Depression" video on youtube. he's incredible.

Edited April 25, 2015 by Jame22

[Necris]

We don't know you personally, at least I don't. Perhaps take a look at the impression you give people, especially in your first few interactions. More important than the specific words you use, are the way in which you interact with others, whether your interactions are socially appropriate, and how well you read social cues then adjust and adapt your behavior to the situation.

 

Another poster made a facetious comment about your avatar. Think about what your avatar says about you. That visual is the very first impression you've elected to give us.

 

Currently I haven't really been interacting much with people besides on an as needed basis. I just don't feel like it anymore. I don't even feel like talking to my friends or hanging out with them anymore tbh. I don't feel sad, just feeling nothing, the desire just isn't there.

 

But when I do I generally attempt to be nice and friendly but sometimes I can come across a little socially awkward and I'm also pretty nerdy so most of my topics of interest are related to sciences, videogames, scifi, fantasy stuff like that. Though the whole thing about flirting, dating, etc. I'm just totally lost due to lack of experience.

 

Also about my avatar what does the avatar say about me?

 

Anyway I heard of people having "chemistry" some sort of unconscious feeling that makes people interested in one another I guess so what could be making me unable to generate "chemistry" between me and a girl I may like?

[angel.eyes]

From your OP, you seem like a sincere, introspective guy who is trying to figure out why you aren't quite where you want to be. That's a positive. It's okay to be a little frustrated and to take a break. While it's natural to want to withdraw, now is the time to build a large circle of friends (both genders) and to stay socially active...at least a little bit. That will help you lose the feeling of being a little socially awkward when you do interact with someone. Being social is a skill. You get better at it with practice.

 

Do you have any interests or hobbies where you are put in contact with lots of different women, ideally in the right age range for you? If not, maybe work on developing some hobbies in areas that are of interest to you and to women. When you're eventually ready to date, the first step will be coming in contact with women...If you almost never meet women, you'll have a hard time with this. So while you aren't interested in dating right now, set your life up to facilitate this happening once you do become ready.

 

I'm sure folks will debate this, but in my mind chemistry is our subconscious reaction to the signals others are sending us, and we give off. It's the nonverbal communication you exchange initially with another person. You either click because you're on the same wavelength, or you don't. There's a lot of information you gather about someone even before he or she utters a greeting. As you interact you will add to that initial first impression (or erase part of it).

 

I'm going to turn your question back on you. What do you think your avatar says about you? Why did you pick it?

[Necris]

From your OP, you seem like a sincere, introspective guy who is trying to figure out why you aren't quite where you want to be. That's a positive. It's okay to be a little frustrated and to take a break. While it's natural to want to withdraw, now is the time to build a large circle of friends (both genders) and to stay socially active...at least a little bit. That will help you lose the feeling of being a little socially awkward when you do interact with someone. Being social is a skill. You get better at it with practice.

 

Right now however I actually don't care about getting a girlfriend or really any social life, I am more concerned with the extreme stress I'm dealing with and my mental health (I maybe actually going insane literally, no joke). So I don't hang out with friends or any of that, just don't feel like it.

 

Do you have any interests or hobbies where you are put in contact with lots of different women, ideally in the right age range for you? If not, maybe work on developing some hobbies in areas that are of interest to you and to women. When you're eventually ready to date, the first step will be coming in contact with women...If you almost never meet women, you'll have a hard time with this. So while you aren't interested in dating right now, set your life up to facilitate this happening once you do become ready.

 

No I don't unfortunately. My interests are gaming, programming, and I'm interested in variety of sciences, and scifi and fantasy this doesn't help me get anywhere near any women. I'm also Christian but church doesn't really have women around my age that go.

 

I'm sure folks will debate this, but in my mind chemistry is our subconscious reaction to the signals others are sending us, and we give off. It's the nonverbal communication you exchange initially with another person. You either click because you're on the same wavelength, or you don't. There's a lot of information you gather about someone even before he or she utters a greeting. As you interact you will add to that initial first impression (or erase part of it).

 

Problem is I feel like I'm on an entirely different "wavelength" than everybody else so I never really "click" with anyone. And I'm not that good at reading non-verbal cues.

 

 

I'm going to turn your question back on you. What do you think your avatar says about you? Why did you pick it?

 

My avatar is The Lich from Adventure Time a character from a children's TV show. I chose the Lich because I just like Liches. Liches are people who have given up their humanity, their life, their friends, everything for immortality in the form of undeath and immense magical power. Plus I like DnD, and the avatar reminded me of another joke I heard that says if man stays a virgin his whole life he becomes a wizard and liches are all ascended wizards so to speak lol.

 

But tbh, there are way better liches than "The Lich" like Nox from the french tv show Wakfu was one of the best villains I've seen especially in a children's show.

 

Now that I think about it my avatar is kind of lame, I don't really care for liches anymore. So perhaps I could change my avatar to something else like a star or a badass muscle car.

[WomenWubber]

Odd question I know.

 

But I was thinking about my life, and my total inability to attract women, how I've never had a girlfriend, virgin, never had a first kiss, etc. and I'm nearing my mid twenties, when this idea came to me could I be mad and women can actually see it?

 

This year I haven't even tried to meet any women not once. The desire just wasn't there as I've been dealing with problems with stress and my mental health as I feel like something's up.

 

I have been having these constant racing insane intrusive obsessive thoughts, constant anxiety, thinking has been off, getting clumsier than usual, feelings of paranoia, no desire to do much of anything can't even hang out with friends and hygiene has diminished, worse concentration and memory, starting to freak out easily over things/can't handle stress, feel like this world isn't real, harder to express emotion, and had some minor possibly hallucinatory experiences.

 

After talking to someone they recommended I go see a psychiatrist and I ended up seeing two, they seemed super concerned that I may be in the early stages of developing Schizophrenia though my psychiatrist also stated he thinks its just Generalized Anxiety Disorder and OCD but possibly just Depression and told me he really doesn't know but he wanted me to try Prozac and see what happens. Though I declined as the side effects of Prozac use seemed like it could make me feel worse, like suicidal thoughts when I already have such thoughts (my mind occasionally tells me to kill myself or others).

 

Anyway point I was making perhaps I have always been a little crazy and women can somehow sense this and are like "Nope." Could this be possible?

 

I don't know if women can "smell" madness. Most people wouldn't be able to smell psychopathy on a person if they tried to. To be honest with you, your question has me little concerned. Why does it matter that women are able to recognize you as a mad person? Do you gain something by knowing that? If so, then what is it?

 

You also mention your visits to two different psychiatrists. The bold part is what I think made the doctors concerned. That's usually how schizophrenia starts. If that were the case, then I would seriously consider taking prescription drugs. Because even though drugs can **** you up, they can also prevent your mind from ****ing itself up even more.

 

(I'm no doctor. I'm friends with a schizophrenic and his sister, who is also a schizophrenic. So take this FWIW)

Edited April 26, 2015 by WomenWubber

[Necris]

I don't know if women can "smell" madness. Most people wouldn't be able to smell psychopathy on a person if they tried to. To be honest with you, your question has me little concerned. Why does it matter that women are able to recognize you as a mad person? Do you gain something by knowing that? If so, then what is it?

 

I gain nothing but an explanation. Perhaps people are subconsciously aware of this, especially women, so I produce my own female repellant, and that's why I never hardly have any dates and when I do it never progressed to a second date, because I'm a wierdo.

 

As for psychopathy, psychopaths aren't crazy they are just evil and selfish individuals so that's why its considered a personality disorder and not a mental disorder, something is wrong with their personality.

 

You also mention your visits to two different psychiatrists. The bold part is what I think made the doctors concerned. That's usually how schizophrenia starts. If that were the case, then I would seriously consider taking prescription drugs. Because even though drugs can **** you up, they can also prevent your mind from ****ing itself up even more.

 

(I'm no doctor. I'm friends with a schizophrenic and his sister, who is also a schizophrenic. So take this FWIW)

 

Actually I forgot to mention that part to them just the other stuff and they were acting already concerned. And yeah I read a little about it, so it could be schizophrenia getting ready to form or just anxiety. Its probably just anxiety disorder.

 

 

Its nothing just things like sometimes hearing your name called or thinking you're seeing or sensing someone not there, though one time I do remember a book talked to me, and no I've never done drugs.

 

But its not like this:

 

Though I do sometimes feel somewhat like this guy.

 

or this:

 

As for the drugs, these drugs aren't child's play so the side effects can be pretty powerful since the drugs themselves are powerful. I would only consider it if I find myself at my wit's end.

Edited April 26, 2015 by Necris

[gaius]

Nah, they just probably sense you're not interested in them. For whatever reason.

 

I was in an elevator with an attractive black woman today and I just had to talk to her, I didn't even have a choice in the matter. That's what happens when you're really interested in a woman.

[regine_phalange]

No, I don't think we can. There are much more crazier people out there and their circle doesn't notice. As gaius said, maybe you are not that interested and it shows. Or maybe you are too guarded and this makes them uncomfortable?

[Els]

After talking to someone they recommended I go see a psychiatrist and I ended up seeing two, they seemed super concerned that I may be in the early stages of developing Schizophrenia though my psychiatrist also stated he thinks its just Generalized Anxiety Disorder and OCD but possibly just Depression and told me he really doesn't know but he wanted me to try Prozac and see what happens. Though I declined as the side effects of Prozac use seemed like it could make me feel worse, like suicidal thoughts when I already have such thoughts (my mind occasionally tells me to kill myself or others).

 

Side effects are required to be stated even if 0.05% of the people taking the medication get them. Many people are able to get the therapeutic effect of the medications without experiencing these side effects - obviously there is still a risk, but the question is whether the benefit justifies the risk in your situation.

 

If you decide you don't want to take the meds that is your prerogative, but you can't just lie down and give up, you have to find other ways to try and manage your mental illness. Have you tried cognitive behavioural therapy?

 

Anyway point I was making perhaps I have always been a little crazy and women can somehow sense this and are like "Nope." Could this be possible?

 

Possible. What is more worrisome is that you have only ever broached this question in the context of women. What do YOU want in life? If miraculously some woman agreed to be your girlfriend without you doing anything to fix your mental disorder, you would have no inclination of seeking a better life for yourself?

 

Fix these problems for YOU, regardless of what women can sense or can't sense.

[Necris]

Side effects are required to be stated even if 0.05% of the people taking the medication get them. Many people are able to get the therapeutic effect of the medications without experiencing these side effects - obviously there is still a risk, but the question is whether the benefit justifies the risk in your situation.

 

If you decide you don't want to take the meds that is your prerogative, but you can't just lie down and give up, you have to find other ways to try and manage your mental illness. Have you tried cognitive behavioural therapy?

 

I know someone who committed suicide while under the effects of Prozac just randomly decided to shoot himself in the head, don't want to be that guy. Plus with all the other side effects, the possibility of dependence, and the fact my psychiatrist wants me to take it as a test since he's not sure I don't think it's worth it.

 

Now what I heard could make me feel better at least was more exercise and eating healthier so I'm trying that. Though I find it impossible to relax, especially since I'm going through a stressful time.

 

 

Possible. What is more worrisome is that you have only ever broached this question in the context of women. What do YOU want in life? If miraculously some woman agreed to be your girlfriend without you doing anything to fix your mental disorder, you would have no inclination of seeking a better life for yourself?

 

Fix these problems for YOU, regardless of what women can sense or can't sense.

 

Oh I was asking this question because I was just curious. As it could explain my past failures.

 

In actuality however, I'm not seeking anyone nor do I care to look for a girlfriend at this moment I have more important issues to deal with.

 

If I have an anxiety disorder or depression then I guess therapy, positive thinking, and being healthy could help but also there is still no fix but its a whole lot more manageable.

 

Also if I really am losing it, doubtful but a possibility, and this continues to develop into full blown schizophrenia there is no fix since the issue is the brain itself just isn't wired right. And anti-psychotics are even worse than anti-depressants they zombify you.

Edited April 26, 2015 by Necris

[Necris]

Nah, they just probably sense you're not interested in them. For whatever reason.

 

I was in an elevator with an attractive black woman today and I just had to talk to her, I didn't even have a choice in the matter. That's what happens when you're really interested in a woman.

 

What do you mean by this?

 

It's not like I never approach and never ask them out, I was talking about how I get rejected all the time.

 

Now if I were waiting for girls to line up at my door then yeah, lol, there is my problem.

[Rejected Rosebud]

No I can't smell madness! But no offense, you do sound quite troubled and it probably shows in the way you carry yourself and interact with others, I am not all about drugs but I don't agree with the people who say JUST DON'T, the right drugs have helped a lot of people. I hope you get yourself sorted out and feeling good about yourself and then your dating prospects will def improve!!

[abby_tx]

The disinterest in things could definitely be depression. And to the person who said things can be fixed with diet exercise -- this is not always the case. There are some chemical imbalances only treatable by medicine. If you hear voices or have extreme paranoia it seems like this may be the case. Also, stop holding back with your psychologist. If you want to get better, you have to be honest with them so they know what to treat you for.

[preraph]

Everyone can tell when someone is mentally ill. And one common indicator that someone is sick is that they think they know more about the drugs than their doctors who spent a decade in school learning about drugs and how to treat mental illness.

 

You are digging a hole for yourself and being very stupid not taking drugs recommended by psychiatrists because these mental illnesses do not get better on their own. If there is a chance you can treat one, any side effect is completely minor compared to how debilitating your mental illness will be without treatment, so stop thinking you are smarter than other people and start getting treatment!

[todreaminblue]

I forgot to address this but no I could never tell people some of my crazy thoughts even a psychiatrist, they are just too disturbing at times best keep some things between me and myself.

 

As for the paranoia I guess that's how I feel. Recently though I've been feeling some sort of presence that's following me around, watching me.

 

Also are you saying you would not try to get in a relationship if you were me?

 

relationships bring their own set of stressors......and you arent feeling alright in yourself are you necris?

 

you need to have those thoughts under control and not so invasive before you even consider a relationship.I have been unmedicated for over a year......and my thoughts are in control...in meaning they are not affecting people around me.....they also are not affecting my interactions with people..i have my good days and my bad days......when voices in my head become something i cant handle ....i stay in my room...and i pray or read or distract myself with soothing music.........i have my strategies and what works for me......you need to find what works for you......it is concerning you havent opened up to someone other than on here......

 

one of the reasons i have had frequent hospital stays....is it is for my own safety....when i feel i have lost control or the voices are too intrusive....i am honest with shrinks i might nto go into graphic detail but i let them know i am struggling........because otherwise i wont make it......i know that...i am even honest with my family....i tell them nah i have to go in again no graphics..........and i really really dont like hospitals....i particularly dont like shrinks i find them arrogant and unfeeling....but they have protected me from myself for that they are helpful.. i know i have to make it.....so i do what i have to do to make it.....

 

 

thats why i say to you dont start a relationship until you feel right in yourself dont make any life changing decisions other than to get some help......and then when you feel better revisit the idea of` a relationship you can put your effort into and know you wont damage anyone else in the process of forming and keeping a relationship that is good for you and good for them too........right now...that effort and energy you have needs to be for you and all for you alone, so you can feel well in yourself before being with anyone else or contemplating being with someone else.....please trust me i write what i write with experience............deb

Edited April 26, 2015 by todreaminblue

[imtooconfused]

I forgot to address this but no I could never tell people some of my crazy thoughts even a psychiatrist, they are just too disturbing at times best keep some things between me and myself.

 

This actually concerns me. Your therapist/psychologist/psychiatrist is there to help you, not cause you more harm. Therefore, you need to share with them that (at the very least) you are having harmful thoughts. Without the ability to know the big picture of what you are going through, they can't effectively get you the help that you really need. By trying to treat only the symptoms that you tell them about, it may be making the other conditions worse (i.e. the treatments for depression can increase thoughts of suicide).

Edited April 26, 2015 by imtooconfused
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