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Old 5th September 2003, 11:26 PM   #1
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Ok, normally Jamie offers pretty good advice, so lets not get down on her about that, and just pretend it didnt happen. Anyway it is also possible that you are going through a phase, and its not even real. It is possible to think that you are gay, and it changes later. Just tendencies. But like everyone else said, if this is something that you truly feel, then be proud of it. You can like boys and girls too you know

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Old 6th September 2003, 3:31 AM   #2
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Jamie has made it very clear that she does not approve of homosexuality.
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Old 6th September 2003, 3:34 AM   #3
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You're right, moimeme. I don't approve of it. But there's nothing I can do about it, I mean it will happen regardless. It's kind of the same way about abortion. I dont approve of that either, but it will happen whether it's legal or not. So whatcha gonna do? Just ignore it, I guess.
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Old 6th September 2003, 3:46 AM   #4
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Well, you could learn more about it. Maybe meet some people who are gay and get to know them. Maybe...

oh, never mind.
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Old 6th September 2003, 3:52 AM   #5
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But I don't want to learn more about it. I don't want to befriend gay people. I mean, if I meet a person and become friends with them and then find out that they are gay, then fine..I won't stop being friends with them just because they are gay, but I am not going to go out and look for gay people to befriend just so I can try to become more accepting of that lifestyle.

I have no interest in learning anything about it. I don't want to. The thought of it makes me want to gag and makes me mad at the same time. It's better if I just don't think about it and don't talk about it and just let it be.
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Old 6th September 2003, 4:38 AM   #6
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But I don't want to learn more about it. I don't want to befriend gay people. I mean, if I meet a person and become friends with them and then find out that they are gay, then fine..I won't stop being friends with them just because they are gay, but I am not going to go out and look for gay people to befriend just so I can try to become more accepting of that lifestyle.

I have no interest in learning anything about it. I don't want to. The thought of it makes me want to gag and makes me mad at the same time. It's better if I just don't think about it and don't talk about it and just let it be.
I would respond to this post but I'm too busy gagging and being mad.
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Old 6th September 2003, 1:35 PM   #7
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just want to express my views here, hopefully make someone feel a bit better...

there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. it's a shame so many look down look down on it in disgust. many have tried experimenting, some have liked it and wished to continued. others have never turned back. no, it is not a disease, you can not catch it. all it really is, is two people wanting to be in a normal relationship. nothing to be ashamed of.

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Old 6th September 2003, 5:21 PM   #8
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I wouldn't be happy about it if I were you....if you can stop it, please do. If you choose to live a gay lifestyle..you are in for a lot of hard and troubled times. Why do that to yourself?
This would be like someone telling Jamie: Don't be heterosexual. You can't help what you are, nor should you try to change who or what you are to please someone else.
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Old 6th September 2003, 7:09 PM   #9
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This would be like someone telling Jamie: Don't be heterosexual. You can't help what you are, nor should you try to change who or what you are to please someone else.
Cindy, it's NOTHING like that! Because being heterosexual is how it is supposed to be and it's the norm. Noone discriminates against heterosexuals. Now, it might be the same thing as saying "don't be in an interracial relationship", now there's two similarities.

And people can help who they are. What about these people who are born into povert stricken homes, or homes where their parents are never there to raise them? They could fall into that and be parasites of society too, but some choose to get an education and better themselves....they are helping who they are. I believe that it's up to each individual to decide how they want to live thier lives and they make the choice to be how they are. They have many choices. And why some people make the wrong ones, I'll never know.
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Old 6th September 2003, 7:27 PM   #10
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actually, cindy's analogy was logical. jamie's response committed an ad populum fallacy.

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Old 6th September 2003, 10:55 PM   #11
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Jenny, you ROCK!
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Old 7th September 2003, 12:27 AM   #12
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But I don't want to learn more about it. I don't want to befriend gay people. I mean, if I meet a person and become friends with them and then find out that they are gay, then fine..I won't stop being friends with them just because they are gay, but I am not going to go out and look for gay people to befriend just so I can try to become more accepting of that lifestyle.

I have no interest in learning anything about it. I don't want to. The thought of it makes me want to gag and makes me mad at the same time. It's better if I just don't think about it and don't talk about it and just let it be.
Jamie, like you most probably already know, being "gay" is not something you change overnight... its not contagious, you're either gay, or you aren't, and I can say this, because of my experience..

If you never tried it, how do you know that you wouldn't be happier if "things were different", hmm?

Be careful, but not that you don't speak what you mean, but that you won't understand what you're trying to deny.. accept the possibility and have some respect for other peoples views.. think whatever you want to think, but please be concious when you form your opinions (and remember that opinions are always subject to changes.. nothing lasts forever.. people change too )
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Old 7th September 2003, 5:34 AM   #13
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Jamie - Being gay isn't anything like being born into poverty or any of the ridiculous analogies you tried to use. We're talking about sexual orientation here. It's not a CHOICE...any more than you choose to be born white or black. You just ARE. I realize you weren't born gay...if you had been maybe you'd understand and we wouldn't have to continue to have this debate. You are so young and naive. I'll just chalk it up to that.
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Old 7th September 2003, 1:08 PM   #14
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I'm sorry, Cindy, but I just don't believe that. I don't believe that people are born gay. I think it is something that they make a choice to do. I believe there are a variety of reasons in which people choose to be gay, but nevertheless, they do CHOOSE it. I think the idea of being born gay is ridiculous and I will never believe it.

And by the wayk, Cindy...how do you know people are born gay? Are YOU gay? I am suspecting you aren't because you are married and have an obsession with Ryan, but you are so pro-gay it kind of makes one wonder.

But anyway, you just continue to believe what you want to, because I am not here to try to convince you to think like me, I am just simply arguing my side. So let's just leave it at that.
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Old 7th September 2003, 1:29 PM   #15
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I just don't believe that. I don't believe that people are born gay. I think it is something that they make a choice to do.
And here we have a perfect example of 'my mind is made up, don't confuse me with fact'. Probably the single feature of humans that annoys me the most. You could throw a thousand scientific studies at this person. She could sit in a room with a couple dozen gay people and hear from every one of them how they 'realized' rather than 'chose' their homosexuality, yet she will believe what she will believe. Period.

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