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Old 15th April 2008, 5:55 AM   #1
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Divisive spirit in christianity

Why is there such a divisive spirit in christianity? I see it all the time when christians will part company for disagreement over doctrine. I've seen christians stop communicating with one another just because they didn't agree on what will happen in the end times.

It's amazing how evangelical christians can stand united when it comes to preaching to me about my need for Jesus and salvation and then turn right around and fight over end time doctrines!

What is wrong with this picture? What do some christians hope to accomplish by departing company with another christian who doesn't agree with your view on times?

How about doing the rest of the world a favor by sorting out your differences and learn to get along with one another first before going out and preaching to us?
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Old 15th April 2008, 8:05 AM   #2
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Why is there such a divisive spirit in christianity? I see it all the time when christians will part company for disagreement over doctrine. I've seen christians stop communicating with one another just because they didn't agree on what will happen in the end times.

It's amazing how evangelical christians can stand united when it comes to preaching to me about my need for Jesus and salvation and then turn right around and fight over end time doctrines!

What is wrong with this picture? What do some christians hope to accomplish by departing company with another christian who doesn't agree with your view on times?

How about doing the rest of the world a favor by sorting out your differences and learn to get along with one another first before going out and preaching to us?
If you want to ask that question, let me ask you these...

Why is it we have no concrete proof of our coming into being?
Why is it that Pluto is suddenly a planetoid and not a planet?
Why are there so many views on how to do things?

To answer this and your question, and it does not take a person of faith to see this, as human beings we each have individual beliefs and thoughts and feelings and knowledge and understandings. And within our beings we not only seek our individualism, but we also look for those who share like viewpoints with us. This is why some people are Christians, this is why some are atheist. This is why some believe in the big bang theory, this is why some believe in creationism. This is why some swear up and down that yogurt is suppose to be eaten and not drank.

So, before you start trying to understand and think because there are not like viewpoints in a faith that there is no unity, you are wrong. Even the disciples had disagreements on how to best proceed with the spreading of faith and some went their own way. But, in the end, it is not rather or not you can agree on doctrine, but if you are living the doctrine which is to...

1) Love God with all that you are, mind, body, and most importantly spirit.
2) Is the similar to number one. We must love everyone as God has loved us.


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Old 15th April 2008, 8:22 AM   #3
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If you want to ask that question, let me ask you these...

Why is it we have no concrete proof of our coming into being?
Why is it that Pluto is suddenly a planetoid and not a planet?
Why are there so many views on how to do things?

To answer this and your question, and it does not take a person of faith to see this, as human beings we each have individual beliefs and thoughts and feelings and knowledge and understandings. And within our beings we not only seek our individualism, but we also look for those who share like viewpoints with us. This is why some people are Christians, this is why some are atheist. This is why some believe in the big bang theory, this is why some believe in creationism. This is why some swear up and down that yogurt is suppose to be eaten and not drank.

So, before you start trying to understand and think because there are not like viewpoints in a faith that there is no unity, you are wrong. Even the disciples had disagreements on how to best proceed with the spreading of faith and some went their own way. But, in the end, it is not rather or not you can agree on doctrine, but if you are living the doctrine which is to...

1) Love God with all that you are, mind, body, and most importantly spirit.
2) Is the similar to number one. We must love everyone as God has loved us.


DNR

Only the unknowing don't realize that one cannot escape human nature, but through pray and striving, we try to do so.


Amen, Amen
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Old 15th April 2008, 3:28 PM   #4
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I still don't think christians have any business preaching Jesus to us nonbelievers when they can't agree with one another. Settle your differences first and then come preach to us.

Why would I want to be a part of a religion that can't even get along with each other? There's nothing attractive about christianity.
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Old 15th April 2008, 3:33 PM   #5
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Labor pains.....

That's not our problem pal.

Either pick a doctrine, or don't. All I hear are the labor pains.....never get to see the baby......
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Old 15th April 2008, 4:03 PM   #6
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I still don't think christians have any business preaching Jesus to us nonbelievers when they can't agree with one another. Settle your differences first and then come preach to us.

Why would I want to be a part of a religion that can't even get along with each other? There's nothing attractive about christianity.

Then ignore Christians. I ignore the people that I don't agree with or who I feel are infringing on my rights. It is a simple concept.
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Old 15th April 2008, 4:05 PM   #7
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If you want to ask that question, let me ask you these...

Why is it we have no concrete proof of our coming into being?
Because we are still gathering evidence. We do have concrete proof that all life has a common ancestor, though.

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Why is it that Pluto is suddenly a planetoid and not a planet?
Because a planet is a very specific thing, and the definition is man-made. You do realize that Pluto didn't change at all, right? It is the same thing as when it was first discovered in 1930. Yes, 1930. Until the 1500s there were only five planets. Neptune was still out there, we just didn't know it. So, should we not have added it because it went against what people thought for 7000 years? For thousands of years, people thought that the Earth was the center of everything, now we know it isn't. So what? Either you suggest that when we discovered that the Sun is the center of the Solar System it shifted to fit our definition, or it isn't at all and all of the data we used to determine this is wrong, or we never should have figured it out because updating our knowledge is somehow a bad thing.

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Why are there so many views on how to do things?
Depends which things. And why shouldn't there be many ways to do things? There are many ways, but pick the most expedient. Simple.

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To answer this and your question, and it does not take a person of faith to see this, as human beings we each have individual beliefs and thoughts and feelings and knowledge and understandings.
They aren't all equal, and they aren't all correct. Flat-Earth belief is not on a par with Earth as a Sphere. And on down the list. As we learn more about Nature, certain beliefs become silly and wrong, no matter how many people believe in them.

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And within our beings we not only seek our individualism, but we also look for those who share like viewpoints with us. This is why some people are Christians, this is why some are atheist. This is why some believe in the big bang theory, this is why some believe in creationism. This is why some swear up and down that yogurt is suppose to be eaten and not drank.
There is evidence and there isn't. There are explanations for this evidence and there isn't.

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So, before you start trying to understand and think because there are not like viewpoints in a faith that there is no unity, you are wrong. Even the disciples had disagreements on how to best proceed with the spreading of faith and some went their own way.
And killed each other, don't forget.

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But, in the end, it is not rather or not you can agree on doctrine, but if you are living the doctrine which is to...

1) Love God with all that you are, mind, body, and most importantly spirit.
2) Is the similar to number one. We must love everyone as God has loved us.
Do you baptize at infancy or at the age of reason? Are the sacraments important? Was Joseph Smith a prophet? How you answer these things determines if you are going to Heaven or not, you know.

The Irish are still having issues Protestant v. Catholic. You know this, right? While here in the US we have little strife based on religious faith, the rest of the world certainly does, and it is secularism that keep it in check. Look it up.

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Only the unknowing don't realize that one cannot escape human nature, but through pray and striving, we try to do so.
Why would you want to? Just as it is human nature to kill each other, it is also our nature to be altruistic. It is our nature to be compassionate, to look out for the rights of others, and to respect other's property. If not, civilization would be impossible.
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Old 15th April 2008, 4:31 PM   #8
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Then ignore Christians. I ignore the people that I don't agree with or who I feel are infringing on my rights. It is a simple concept.

I'm not just going to stand by and ignore someone who is preaching to me. I am not going to ignore christians who come to my door trying to convert me.

Just as christians feel its their right to convert me I have the same right to challenge their beliefs and point out the flaws in their belief system. I'm not going to bite my tongue and ignore how christian beliefs effect the rest of society.

And why should I have more respect for those christians who believe that I'm going to hell for not believing in Jesus regardless if I respect their beliefs or not? Or are christians suggesting that I will receive a lesser punishment in hell if I go through life respecting their beliefs?

If you really believe in hell and that even good people can go there because they didn't believe the correct things about Jesus then why do you care whether or not anyone respects your beliefs?
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Old 15th April 2008, 5:39 PM   #9
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I'm not just going to stand by and ignore someone who is preaching to me. I am not going to ignore christians who come to my door trying to convert me.
I take it that you've encountered the Jehovah's Witnesses .

But here's something to cheer you up, a song called Religion by Rob Deering:

makes you happy and makes you want to fight..
makes you think you're the only one that's right...
makes you think you're the best there is...
for no good reason at all

Religion!
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