I am a strict vegetarian/animal lover and there is something that has always bothered me... ProLifers. How on earth can they say that it's wrong to abort what is not even developed into a person yet, BUT they are willing to eat meat. By eating meat they are ENDING the established lives of animals. They think it's wrong to kill an embryo but are okay with an animal being brutally murdered just so they can have a f'ing steak.
I believe that everything on this earth was created equal and humans have ruined the world by considering everything "theirs". Well guess what... IT'S NOT. Next time you eat meat think about the SUFFERING and AGONY that poor animal went through. Embryos don't suffer at all, and besides the world is overpopulated enough.
There's the whole thing about the fact that none of those cows/chickens would exist if they were not created for the specific purpose of providing meat.
Personally I don't care if other people abort their babies. I, for one, could never do that. I don't know that you've ever been pregnant - but the truth is, you feel that life inside you from very early on. I have lost babies in the past, and I could never purposely destroy something that came from me.
I suppose ultimately my allegiance lies with those who share my genes.
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Question...why is animal life any more "precious" in your eyes than plant life? What makes a living plant who would also like to live out its life to old age any less of value than those creatures that are put into the animal kingdom? Why do you allow yourself to murder plants and eat them?
And if you are concerned about all animals, do you kill mice, flies, insects, spiders, etc.? Or are you very careful not to step on such critters? If you have ants in your house or a mouse is in your kitchen, what action do you take? Do you only believe that animals of a certain size deserve to be specially treated? What size creatures are okay to kill?
Do you have pets? What about fish kept in aquariums? Or say...cats and dogs kept in crates or in your house? Why are you allowed to keep them in captivity? Do you think it is any more right to imprison an animal than it is to kill it?
Do you drink milk perhaps? Do you eat cheese? Did you know that these cows are not given any special treatment? In fact, their lives may be worse than beef cattle since they live in prison all of their life until murdered at the slaughter house. Their whole purpose in life is to feed people. When they no longer fulfill this duty they are killed.
At what point do you decide that plants are okay to eat and animals are not? Where do you draw the line? Did you know that some animals are actually quite plant-like and many plants are animal-like? I am hoping no seafood is allowable as this is no different than any other animal.
This separation is not an easy one once you make the statements that you have.
Oh, yes, I am a "pro-lifer" and I do eat meat. However, I am very compassionate to animals (except those that I eat. ) I do not hunt. In fact, I have a hard time killing spiders, flies, ants and any other critter who is in the wrong place at the wrong time. It amuses those around me, but I will attempt to save such critters when at all possible. The only exception to that rule is the mosquito.
Why do I differentiate humans from animals? Because according to the Bible humans have souls and can expect to either live for all eternity in Heaven with God or in Hell with the Devil. IMO if God calls human life sacred, who am I to disagree? If that differentiation is offensive, then I hope that you have made all of the distinctions that I have listed above, or you are not any different. It is that your placement of the line is different.
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To participate you need to have something else that eats you or controls your population, else you are just a disease on the ecosystem.
I hate to split hairs, but lions and tigers and various species of bears and sharks and many other carnivorous animals have no natural predators but humans. So, to be fair, if humans didn't exist then apparently all these animals would also be diseases on the ecosystem, eh?
I hate to split hairs, but lions and tigers and various species of bears and sharks and many other carnivorous animals have no natural predators but humans. So, to be fair, if humans didn't exist then apparently all these animals would also be diseases on the ecosystem, eh?
Their numbers are quiet small compared to the 6 billion people leaching from the planet,
Their numbers are quiet small compared to the 6 billion people leaching from the planet,
Well now you're completely changing the subject. I was simply responding to your statement that any animal that does not have "something that eats you to control your population" is a disease on the ecosystem.
Well now you're completely changing the subject. I was simply responding to your statement that any animal that does not have "something that eats you to control your population" is a disease on the ecosystem.
My statement applies, their is a balance that naturally occurs in nature, too much of one type of animal will cause the whole thing to collapse.
Humans have been able to artificially "bend" the ecosystem to accommodate them but their is only so much compensation that can occur before the whole thing gives out.
More humans means a higher demand on resources which are finite, cougars and bears and other predators have to compete to survive and the weak die out so overpopulation never occurs.
To participate you need to have something else that eats you or controls your population, else you are just a disease on the ecosystem.
That isn't true. There are a lot of animals that have no natural predators.
Cheers,
D.
EDIT: I see somebody else has already covered this with you. While you have gone on to make other arguments that, at face value, are reasonably coherent, this doesn't alter the fact that your initial claim was quite inaccurate.
I am a strict vegetarian/animal lover and there is something that has always bothered me... ProLifers. How on earth can they say that it's wrong to abort what is not even developed into a person yet, BUT they are willing to eat meat. By eating meat they are ENDING the established lives of animals. They think it's wrong to kill an embryo but are okay with an animal being brutally murdered just so they can have a f'ing steak.
I believe that everything on this earth was created equal and humans have ruined the world by considering everything "theirs". Well guess what... IT'S NOT. Next time you eat meat think about the SUFFERING and AGONY that poor animal went through. Embryos don't suffer at all, and besides the world is overpopulated enough.
Hi Shanny,
By your last sentance it sounds like you are anti-life. The last study that was done (1990), one could put all of the people in the U.S. in the state of Tennesse with an arms distance. There are enouph resorces although many waste much....
If you feel led, watch the movie "Silent Scream" narrated by Charlton Heston as babies do suffer behind abortion.
I do not condone cruelty of any sort, there are humane ways to prepare animals for human eating, although this is not practiced due to greed and a lack of knowledge.
Humans and animals are quite different as the animal does not have a soul, although I do believe that all animals go to heaven.
Shanny, it starts with people....one person at a time, walking balanced, caring for one another, giving your neighbor higher regard...then and only then will all of the atrocities stop.
Please overlook my spelling.....and thanks for starting this thread Shanny
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) I do not hunt. In fact, I have a hard time killing spiders, flies, ants and any other critter who is in the wrong place at the wrong time. It amuses those around me, but I will attempt to save such critters when at all possible. The only exception to that rule is the mosquito. 
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