It's ridiculous. It gets my blood boiling. Why does everyone feel the need that they need a drug to regulate their emotions? To regulate toward a nonexisting state of reality - consistent happiness or emotional neutrality. Everyone buys into the bull**** that you supposed to feel happy all day everyday. If you don't, well, you have something wrong with you, right?
I can't focus, I have ADD and need adderall. I'm not happy so I'm depressed and need an antidepresant. I have trouble making friends so I'm antisocial and need a drug to make me more friendly. Does anyone realize the consequences of altering your consciousness?
Given there are many who NEED a drug to function in society, but I'm talking about the ones who were BORN normal. And I believe that's the keyword.
Confused2007 have you ever been on antidepressants? If not I would not knock them like you do because you dont have a real frame of reference. If you have then so be it.
For me I got on antidepressants with much reluctancy because I felt like I really needed them as a last resort. I was extremely clinically depressed, and even suicidal, and my therapist suggested I get on them...finally after a month she convinced me because I felt I had lost all hope and I gave in. I wouldnt say anti depressants are meant to make you happy and that everyone should be happy all the time...they help scoop you up off bottom and help you get back to a normal life again...they cant cure you, but with the help of therapy they do help. Before anti-d's I could barely get out of bed in the morning or work, I almost lost my job. I think they are very helpful for clinically depressed people...not people that just "have the blues" for a week or two but REALLY depressed people.
Confused2007 have you ever been on antidepressants? If not I would not knock them like you do because you dont have a real frame of reference. If you have then so be it.
For me I got on antidepressants with much reluctancy because I felt like I really needed them as a last resort. I was extremely clinically depressed, and even suicidal, and my therapist suggested I get on them...finally after a month she convinced me because I felt I had lost all hope and I gave in. I wouldnt say anti depressants are meant to make you happy and that everyone should be happy all the time...they help scoop you up off bottom and help you get back to a normal life again...they cant cure you, but with the help of therapy they do help. Before anti-d's I could barely get out of bed in the morning or work, I almost lost my job. I think they are very helpful for clinically depressed people...not people that just "have the blues" for a week or two but REALLY depressed people.
First off, I'm not knocking anyone who is on them. I'm trying to understand the trends of society shifting to drugs as a solution. I want to make that real clear.
No, I have never been on antidepressants. I thought about it at times when I was so low and depressed suicide entered my mind. In addition, I have bad anxiety. So bad, that when I had to do a presentation in college once I had a panic attack in front of the class and passed it off that I was diabetic and my blood sugar was low. But, instead of temporarily relieving it I focused on the issue and solving it while in the meantime exploring natural ways to cope with the pain.
I don't think anyone has to prove you wrong about your view on this.
I guess I look at anti-depressants, anti anxiety medications the same way I look at anti-biodics or stitches, or getting a cast if you break your arm.
Depression and anxiety- chemical imbalances exist- and there is medication out there that can help people.
Agreed, that society throws too many labels out there. Not all periods of sadness mean a person is depressed.
What I can tell you- is that from personal experience... that depression and anxiety are very real in my life. I have spent my entire life with really bad anxiety. You know that feeling you get when something scares you- that fight or flight response you get, with the heart racing and the blood pumping, the butterflies in the stomache kind of feeling? I live (or lived) on that heightened stage for as long as I can remember. About two years ago I began taking meds in conjunction with talk therapy. All I can tell you is that being on meds have helped me immensely. I don't feel altered, nor do I walk around like a zombie.... I just don't walk around with that ominous feeling anymore.
There is a difference between having bad days here and there and depression. Sure, agreed, sometimes it gets labelled too quickly as a blanket diagnosis. For some people, it's very real, very painful- and if meds can help, I don't see anything wrong with it.
Just my opinion based on personal experience. Not trying to change yours.
b/4 i started taking seroquel,i was one mean,sob. didn't care what i said to who or when.i've changed a hundred percent. my daughter wonders who's in this body of mine. me, i love the new me.
" conforming with or constituting a norm or standard or level or type or social norm; not abnormal." Reference: worldnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
I would agree with the above definition and this is precisely my point. The trend of "normalness" in society is for everyone to be happy and worry free. Instead of focusing on solving the problem or source we temporarily relieve it with drugs.
" conforming with or constituting a norm or standard or level or type or social norm; not abnormal." Reference: worldnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
I would agree with the above definition and this is precisely my point. The trend of "normalness" in society is for everyone to be happy and worry free. Instead of focusing on solving the problem or source we temporarily relieve it with drugs.
I would tend to agree with this, while I believe there are plenty of people who really need and benefit from AD's, I also believe there are plenty of people who don't, whose doctors hand them out like candy. And people who use them because they are spoiled and were never taught good problem-solving or coping skills. Things that being on a drug is never going to teach you.
I also wonder how some can take so lightly the fact that they take mind-altering drugs daily. Just to make their life seem easier.
These are of course, the people with the candyman doctors and fledgling skills, NOT those who really are chemically imbalanced and absolutely need the drugs they are prescribed to function in society.
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...And people who use them because they are spoiled and were never taught good problem-solving or coping skills. Things that being on a drug is never going to teach you.
AD's aren't meant to magically instill coping skills to a depressed person.
They are meant to get one balanced enough so they can focus enough to help themselves.
AD's aren't meant to magically instill coping skills to a depressed person.
They are meant to get one balanced enough so they can focus enough to help themselves.
And this frame of mind is exactly what I disagree with. What would you do if drugs were not an option? And to answer of that question, why can't you do that? Too hard?
I would tend to agree with this, while I believe there are plenty of people who really need and benefit from AD's, I also believe there are plenty of people who don't, whose doctors hand them out like candy. And people who use them because they are spoiled and were never taught good problem-solving or coping skills. Things that being on a drug is never going to teach you.
I also wonder how some can take so lightly the fact that they take mind-altering drugs daily. Just to make their life seem easier.
These are of course, the people with the candyman doctors and fledgling skills, NOT those who really are chemically imbalanced and absolutely need the drugs they are prescribed to function in society.
For the people who "really need and benefit from AD's," they can also benefit from other ways which are geared toward the long-term and not short-term.
To everyone on this thread there are a few things you should know, yes I do believe that SSRI's are overperscribed, but the fact of the matter is when someone says that they just dont get it here is the truth IF I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU THEN YOU WONT UNDERSTAND!! point, blank period, end of story.
On 6/247/06 I slit my wrists, I was truly suicidal, I did not call and make any cries for help, I made the descion to end it and went thru, my roomate found me before it was too late and I lived. Naturally the hospital made me seek counciling and ever since i started my medication my life has been %100 better, I have been promoted twice had the best relationship of my life and despite the fact that it is over I have no regrets, i experienced love for the first time and have been infinatley more comfortable, but I have been battleing with OCD and BP as well as social anxiety.
The only time that i was upset is when I was dating a gilr who preached the same mind over matter BS that I have seen in this thread.
They can and do help, you will also see that people blast specific drugs and everyone reacts differently but that has to be worked out with your doctor.
Also in regards to the statement that 3rd world countries dont have these problems.. THEY ARE THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES!!! When you day is spent having to focus on the maintining the basic needs to live (food, shelter and so forth) you are less likely to have problems with your brain, here in America we are fortunate that we have a higher quality of life but since our basic needs are incredibly easier to maintain we are left with more time to focus inward and that is when problems surface, sad but true.
Moral of the story is dont pass judgement on things that you cant relate to.
To everyone on this thread there are a few things you should know, yes I do believe that SSRI's are overperscribed, but the fact of the matter is when someone says that they just dont get it here is the truth IF I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU THEN YOU WONT UNDERSTAND!! point, blank period, end of story.
I don't understand, please explain.
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On 6/247/06 I slit my wrists, I was truly suicidal, I did not call and make any cries for help, I made the descion to end it and went thru, my roomate found me before it was too late and I lived. Naturally the hospital made me seek counciling and ever since i started my medication my life has been %100 better, I have been promoted twice had the best relationship of my life and despite the fact that it is over I have no regrets, i experienced love for the first time and have been infinatley more comfortable, but I have been battleing with OCD and BP as well as social anxiety.
I'm happy for you man. If you read my thread you should understand my attitude wasn't aimed at you.
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The only time that i was upset is when I was dating a gilr who preached the same mind over matter BS that I have seen in this thread.
Your mind is a powerful tool.
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Also in regards to the statement that 3rd world countries dont have these problems.. THEY ARE THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES!!! When you day is spent having to focus on the maintining the basic needs to live (food, shelter and so forth) you are less likely to have problems with your brain, here in America we are fortunate that we have a higher quality of life but since our basic needs are incredibly easier to maintain we are left with more time to focus inward and that is when problems surface, sad but true.
This is true. The basic needs are definetly thought of before anything else in thrid world countries. However, even if those needs were met I don't think the suicide rate would be as high. In the USA it's shifting toward a norm to feel depressed and suicide is a common coping tool unfortunately.
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Moral of the story is dont pass judgement on things that you cant relate to.
Wow. I'm assuming you haven't read the entire thread? I have and can relate to depression and suicide as I've already stated. I choose not to accept it anymore and either work on controlling or preventing it with non-drug techniques.
I think the threads being taken personally confused. It's not saying anti Ds are wrong but overprescribed, that's all. I know a bit about mental health issues and there are many more people being prevented from getting well by drugs than are benefiting, that's why cbt is being pushed over here in the UK
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