This is not another woman bashing thread but I just got off the phone with my mother who called me to tell me that I made my ex wife abuse me and shoot at me. It got me thinking that feminists do more damage to women than any sexist man does. This idea that women are never responsible for their actions and that a man is always to blame when they do wrong reduces them to the level of children. It is actually a big insult to the female gender to say that they are so weak and so emotionally vulnerable that a man can control them like that. It gives ammunition to those who want to keep women in a 2nd class position.
I also notice that successful and independent women who become successful can't stand this anymore than men do. My wife is very successful in her career and can't stand victim feminism. It is one of the reasons she prefers the company of men most of the time. There is also the judge that was infuriated when my ex tried to play the victim card in court and lie about the abuse. If that judge were a chivalrous male I might be paying alimony right now.
I think this thread asks a good question. I am praising women that don't play the helpless victim act and become successes.
human being have many sides, you cannot put them in a box you want them to be. When you live with your wife, and you won't accept her childish side? I think everybody has their childish side from time to time. It makes them more cute. Doesn't it?
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This idea that women are never responsible for their actions and that a man is always to blame when they do wrong reduces them to the level of children.
I also notice that successful and independent women who become successful can't stand this anymore than men do. My wife is very successful in her career and can't stand victim feminism.
And where the heck does this come from? Who's idea is this and says who?
Do you live in a part of the world or a community with no equality for women?
You seem to base your entire experience of women on your mother, ex and the fact that you are still a victim of that.
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This is not another woman bashing thread but I just got off the phone with my mother who called me to tell me that I made my ex wife abuse me and shoot at me. It got me thinking that feminists do more damage to women than any sexist man does.
Wog - Why do you even allow your mom to have those types of dicussions with you? After what your own mother did to you when you were growing up, having a phone call like that IS gonna set you off. Next time she starts spewing crap like that off to you, HANG UP ON HER or tell her "Mom, I am NOT having this conversation with you!" Why do you put up with it? It only makes you feel worse and makes you think.......You keep putting yourself in situations, or allowing situations to find you that get you thinking in a negative way. Hope that makes sense to you...
Depends. I'm not a fan of feminist's because a lot IMO give women a bad name. For instance, the whole men have to sit on toliet. Extremely stupid. Another was the golfing instance where that women wanted to join an all men's club. Again extremely stupid.
I'm old-fashion so to me men r above women in a lot of things.
Ummm....nothing anyone is saying on here has ANYTHINg to do with " feminism" which is a really simple concept : woman should have equal access to economic and political opportunity and be be paid equal wages for the same job.
I have never played the victim card, but I have also met a lot of stupid people of both genders and am not going to be paid less, or not be allowed to vote, etc, because of my vagina. Thats just dumb
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Depends. I'm not a fan of feminist's because a lot IMO give women a bad name. For instance, the whole men have to sit on toliet. Extremely stupid. Another was the golfing instance where that women wanted to join an all men's club. Again extremely stupid.
I'm old-fashion so to me men r above women in a lot of things.
I don't want to put men above women but feminists have a lot of nerve trying to join an all male club when there are plenty of all female clubs. They want their space but we can't have our own space. Not being sexist but sometimes just need to get away from women sometimes and it is becoming increasingly hard to do.
Do you live in a part of the world or a community with no equality for women?
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Ummm....nothing anyone is saying on here has ANYTHINg to do with " feminism"
So I'm part of the "anyone" and didn't say "anything" to do with feminism?
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I don't want to put men above women but feminists have a lot of nerve trying to join an all male club when there are plenty of all female clubs. They want their space but we can't have our own space. Not being sexist but sometimes just need to get away from women sometimes and it is becoming increasingly hard to do.
What on earth are you on about?
Are you talking about Private member's clubs or what?
And men don't nag? (hint - just listen to yourself). Hopefully one day you'll be able to see how bitterly negative you are. Despite always saying you're not.
Well don't know about where you live, but where I am, there are definitely clubs for men (and women seperately). Why don't you just hang out with some male buddies?
All men need "boys nights out" and women need "girls nights out" with their friends every now and again
back to the original question: Do femmes do more harm than good for women?
the ones who take seriously the cause for helping women get equal pay and recognition for the work we do are the saving grace for the whole movement, IMHO. It's the militant male-bashing haters who want to declare themselves a third, superior sex who leave a sour taste in my mouth.
my thought is that a true feminist understands and celebrates the differences between herself and a male, but fights with dignity and honor to change the wrongs done to either gender in the workplace and society at large. She is secure in her identity as a woman and doesn't feel a need to pick fights just to point out that she is who she says she is. Because that kind of behavior makes the very people she's trying to uplift look stupid, and women already have enough of a battle being taken seriously.
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Some men nag but not like women. More men are becoming feminized though so we are starting to nag though that is not a good thing.
Give it a rest Woggle. Your generalizations are getting irritating.
As for equality for womens' rights, let it be the best person for the job. I've never hired or promoted based on gender. It's always been a situation of who would fit the job description with the right skillset, including personality type.
I don't feel that women deserve any more or less than a man. No one is privileged through gender.
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human being have many sides, you cannot put them in a box you want them to be. When you live with your wife, and you won't accept her childish side? I think everybody has their childish side from time to time. It makes them more cute. Doesn't it?
(hint - just listen to yourself). Hopefully one day you'll be able to see how bitterly negative you are. Despite always saying you're not.
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