Sinner: Bah! No, Olivia's husband has an actual problem. I'm not even arguing that. Her husband is a true porn addict and he and Olivia seem to have gone through quite a struggle over it. He is an exception to the rule. I just have a beef with the women who get pissed of at guys casually masterbating to porn at ALL because they feel it makes them feel ugly or something.
Caroli: Ok, but do we masturbate to anything BUT porn typically? I know I don't. It's kind of a catch-22! *laughs*
But yeah, anything done to excess is bad. Also...people wanting to watch their women get banged by other guys are messed up in the head, I think.
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I should ask the mods to change the title to add 'THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT PORN ADDICTIONS'
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I suppose the topic was destined to drift here though, even though I would prefer to hear more about women's problems with the average guy who digs porn.
[font=arial][/font][color=red][/color] I think what many are forgetting is that so many amateur sites have popped up on the internet. These women are not porn stars but regular gals. They also make it clear they are available for fun. And many of the guys who view them correspond with them also. I think this is why the porn has become such an issue for women.
I know I'd rather my husband look at playboy than at these amateur sites. It definitely depends on the type of porn and how it is being used and how it affects the sexual relationship of the couple involved that is the issue.
Originally posted by tigeress
They also make it clear they are available for fun. And many of the guys who view them correspond with them also. I think this is why the porn has become such an issue for women.
I don't know enough about it to determine whether this is indeed prevalent, but regardless, its' defintely not the most common porn problem articulated on LS. In fact, what you're describing is an entirely different problem--when you begin to correspond intimately with the girls, you're stepping outside the boundaries of the relationship, and I think it's a way bigger case for the infidelity arguement than masturbation to nameless bodies on a computer screen.
I don't know how relevant this is any more, I had to jump to the end after page 17504.
I personally don't like porn, I feel that it is degrading to women, all they are turned into is an object that is meant to please them. As a guy I know that a lot of guys do watch or look at porn, and this has warped their sense of what a woman is. For them, okay most of them not all, the female becomes an object an nothing more. I agree with an earlier comment from honey, it perverts your view of the world. The viewer doesn't look at porn to release sexual tension, they look at it to create it, and it makes them feel empowered. Guys are seen as dogs for a reason, most of them are. Not all but most.
Okay this is just my opinion, but isn't sex supposed to be an intimate and fun experience between two people who want to share themselves with each other completely? Sure sometimes we get a huge rush of hormones that excite us, and at time sex just isn't a possibility and so masturbation re-leaves the frustration. Some people prefer to ignore the feelings and concentrate their energy on other tasks with is just as fine. Why go and watch some thing that is going to make you horny if you are currently mellow? If you are horny do you really need to look at porn for stimulation to find relief?
We can all admire a beautiful body, male or female, but why does it have to go beyond appreciation? If a girl or guy has a great body can't we appreciate it in the same way that we would a gorgeous sunset or beautiful flower? I studied art and as such I had to draw many nude females, but there was never any sexual tension because of it. Bodies in all shapes and sizes are all equally beautiful. I think its because the body is how the mind interacts with the world. It gives us clues to what is in the persons mind.
I guess my point is if you are itchy there is no need to look at feathers before scratching the itch. I would never ever think of anyone besides my ex in a sexual context because for me sex is about sharing myself with the person completely, and only the person who I love deserves that much from me. I'm not by any means saying that I am innocent, curiosity get the better of most of us, but the very little I did she was enough to put me off. Besides in my eyes my ex is far better than any beauty queen or porn star, and she always will be.
Perhaps I'm just weird, but it's my opinion. Take it or leave it.
I read a few posts but not all, too many..lol..Alot of the time people that view porn alot, its not even about sex, its about something alot more deep rooted that may be going on in their lives. If someone has already posted this, sorry didn't read all the posts. Just my 2 cents.
Originally posted by RoboHobo
Okay this is just my opinion, but isn't sex supposed to be an intimate and fun experience between two people who want to share themselves with each other completely?
You're making the same mistake that women have countless times. You're confusing masturbation, a personal relief of chemical tension, with sex, a mutual celebration of intimacy.
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Some people prefer to ignore the feelings and concentrate their energy on other tasks with is just as fine. Why go and watch some thing that is going to make you horny if you are currently mellow? If you are horny do you really need to look at porn for stimulation to find relief?
You're really a guy? Honestly? You've gotten an erection and said, "Oh dear, my pants are getting tight, I think I'm going to go knit a shawl."
dyermaker: I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with masturbation, I know the difference between it and sex. If you read my post again you will see that I don't have a problem with masturbation. What I am saying is that if you are erect and ready to go do you really need porn to help you? Yeah, I am a guy. If I feel frustrated I can feel just as relaxed after play sport as another might after masturbation. No knitting wouldn't do it for me. This is the case with most of my friends as well. If not sport then another hobby. Some people don't agree with masturbation, for them it's their will-power that they rely on. I say good for them, if it works for them it doesn't make them any more or less human in my eyes. But as I said before, I'm not against masturbation.
InmannRoshi: I'm sorry if I offended you. I generalized from my experience of what guys have said in conversation. I went to a boys only high school and the topic came up often in the time I was there and that was the opinion of many. Sure, there are some who are different, there always will be.
About it making the viewer feel empowered, that is part of the lure of pornography. I doubt how willing you will be to perform if it made you feel worthless. Look at the headlines and listen to the dialog, tell me that it isn't created to give the reader/viewer power over the model. "She's waiting for you to watch her do what ever you want" and "Yeah b****, do me like...." aren't exactly statements that empower women. It degrades them and makes them seem more obtainable in my opinion. Okay, it's only an illusion of power, but all it has to be is an illusion. What about the difference between nude and naked. A person who is nude still maintains their power, and a person who is naked has had their power taken from them. It's not about building one person up, it's about bringing another down to give the illusion of power.
I don't think I'm being unrealistic if I say that most people will become curious and see porn once or twice, but for it to become such a big part of someone's life seems kind of wrong to me.
It doesn't matter if it's male or female pornography, it's always the viewer that is most important because he or she is the one with the money. I'm not trying to insult anyone, do what you feel is right for you. I was just giving my point of view.
Originally posted by RoboHobo
dyermaker: I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with masturbation, I know the difference between it and sex. If you read my post again you will see that I don't have a problem with masturbation.
You brought up the intimacy of sex--all I was saying is that sex is completely different from masturbation and they shouldn't be compared like that, as, in terms of intimacy, masturbation would be on the same plane as urination or itch-scratching in terms of intimate actions.
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