[Toodamnpragmatic]

What makes one think it is okay to deny sex if both like it? I am at a loss. I lament that we are not talking marathon sessions, all day affairs, going for hours on end. I'm talking for some nookie on a fairly regular basis.

Now if you do not like sex and do not orgasm, that is one thing..... Don't read that too often. We know some people have just fallen out of love, are not attracted to or not as interested in sex. Many though are just bored, won't say anything or put it at the bottom of their to do list.....

How many people have heard a wife's "honey-do" list? Is there a similar men's list that does not put "have sex" at the top, with all others paling in comparison.

We know some women too have the issue with their husband and I expect honesty there as well.....

Again I talk maybe only for myself, but I think most males in these situations swear up and down that their spouse likes sex, however they place it so low on their list, that it really does not matter.

Please I do not want to hear Lizzie or the other's telling me and other males that we are just not desirable anymore. Really don't need to hear that one again. In 90% of the cases the spouses just don't want sex with anyone regardless of enjoying it (and yes to me orgasm=enjoyment).

Now to get nasty and please don't vilify me as this is not about control, money or anything....... But I did scratch the surface on my informal poll of my friends where those with GF's were getting it 5-12X's as much.

As a male, you buy a gift, bring home flowers, be romantic, listen/talk, whisk her away on a trip, a nice dinner....... With a GF sex is a given (at least I hope so). Is that the same with a spouse?????

Also would you be yearning/wanting sex with your spouse if she wasn't enjoying it (and again that to me means having an orgasm)?

Yes I am cranky again today.....