[LucreziaBorgia]

What physical pleasure is a woman suppose to get from having her breath cut off and made to gag? Vomit on herself? Or be slapped around?

Hard core masochists with kinks like this sort of treatment. There are women who like to be choked, beaten, tied up and forced to orgasm, who like to be asphyxiated, who like to be brutally throat f*cked until they choke and/or vomit, etc. It sounds shocking to you, but to women in that scene - it is simply a collection of ways to get off psychologically, mentally and physically. This sort of thing has been around since long before widespread availability of porn.

[Jersey Shortie]

Understand that porn is a fantasy, often times people watch things that they like to imagine doing, but would never actually do, like group sex or something, a lot of guys like watching porn with two or three guys and one girl, but would never actually do it. If you're uncomfortable with it just tell you're boyfriend you'd prefer to watch something else, and make sure he knows never to try it with you.
Every guy has different fetishes, just know he could have some that are much, much worse

Of coures porn is fantasy. What does this have to do with explaining why men now like to see women abused in fantasy? How much worse can it get then wanting to smack girls around and spit in their faces and hold their nose?

JersieShorty, your views on this are pretty standard Andrea Dworkin, sex-negative boilerplate. And that's fine. What I have come to realize is that this is one battle I really don't need to bother fighting.

I am sorry but this is a big joke. Now my views are negative on sex because I think there is something seriously wrong with an increasingly demand in porn that is about slapping women around, choking them, pinching their nose and other abusive acts? What about any of those acts are suppose to physically turn on a woman? Or is that not what matters? What matters is the man is turned on and the woman is nothing more then a plastic, empty tool and ends to a means?

Why not? Because if I am right, and if an interest in porn is a perfectly natural part of being male, no war on porn is ever, ever going to succeed.

That's the problem right there. You define your masculinity through your ability to look at porn. SEX is a perferctly natural part of being male or female. And interest in seeing sex even. But what porn is and has become doesnt' have anything to do with what is natural. And if you really can't see how messed up it is that men enjoy chocking, slapping and using women like that, then there is something seriously wrong here.

The prospects of a succesful war on porn are even worse than the prospects of a successful war on drugs. As long as male homo sapiens walk planet earth, there will be an audience for porn. And so long as there is an audience for it, it will continue to exist in some form, to some degree.

So what? What does that have to do with anything I brought up to discuss? If you want to define your masculinity by your ability to want to view porn, that's your business. I think men can be much more then that. And there is a huge difference between having an interest in sex and the medium of what porn has become and the the amount of men that spend time veiwing it today.

So say what you like. Publish what you will. Lead Take Back the Night marches as far and wide as your legs will carry you. It won't make a tiny bit of difference. Not ever.

That's where you are wrong. There are alot of men that have an inner battle iwth themselves and porn use. And women too. ANd people change their opinions on it regularly. I have been told by many posters, not just here, that they really respect and agree with my viewpoints.

The problem with you is you rather go after me personally then discuss the topic. If you don't think there is something wrong with men today that like to see women abused and get pleasure for it, you are fooling yourself.

[Jersey Shortie]

Hard core masochists with kinks like this sort of treatment. There are women who like to be choked, beaten, tied up and forced to orgasm, who like to be asphyxiated, who like to be brutally throat f*cked until they choke and/or vomit, etc. It sounds shocking to you, but to women in that scene - it is simply a collection of ways to get off psychologically, mentally and physically. This sort of thing has been around since long before widespread availability of porn.

No doubt. But with more access to porn it looks like more men want to make this the "norm". And we have to ask ourselves are physcholigical affects it has on us and kids that grow up with it viewing it as "normal".

It amazes me that people will rally against me. I think some men here are afraid to look within themselves or admit why they like porn that abuses young women. The general concept is that women are worthless to men and it's expressed over and over and over again in porn. Men are abusive brutes, as showcased in the type of porn we are talking about, and women are made to be abused. Men shouldn't be any more happy with the way they are being protrayed. It's all just really sad. It seems like people are just so numb to it they don't care. But when you have daughtesr or when your daughters grow up and her husband/boyfriend/friends with benefits wants to choke and slap her around, I bet you would care. But that's what women deserve right? Men deserve respect and to be treated with it and women don't. Thta's the repeat theme in porn. So hey thanks guys for showing us women were we belong. Apparently we don't belong anywhere were we deserve to be respected.

[ADF]

JersieShorty, To be clear: there is a lot of porn that I find offensive. That includes the choking/slapping type you're objecting to. I get it.

What I don't agree with is the idea that there are some kinds of images--sexual and/or violent ones--that have some special, magical power other kinds of images do not. Was it Dworkin or MacKinoon who wrote, "pornography is the theory; rape is the practice?" What bull! Everybody knows what the "practice" of porn is: masturbation.

There are many, many sources of misongyny in the world. Has it occured to you that some of the worst (or at least most blatent) misogynistic practices occur in societies in which pornography is largely absent?

You have every right to criticize porn. But I truly believe the importance some segments of the women's movement attach to porn is out of proportion to porn's overall weight in the culture. I think rail-thin fashion models are doing far more to distorts men's (and women's) views about body image and sexuality than porn is.

[Ross PK]

Originally Posted by Juniper22

Oh yay a porn topic, ha!

I wasn't sure what to title this, I almost put, "Is this the new porn?" But, chose not too, because its probably nothing new.

Anyway I'm not a huge fan of it, BUT I do watch it sometimes with the guy I'm seeing. So before we go any further, lets get it clear that no where did I say I didn't hate it, nor love it. So no on need to come on here saying, "Well since you don't like porn," but yes, there are some I enjoy better than other kinds.

Anyway the guy I'm seeing, we were watching some the other evening together. Alot of what he has been going to, and showing me, are women who are gagging, I mean like almost throwing up gagging, giving BJ's. The other thing I notice is, where men are not only smacking them in the face, but on the boobs as well. Just hit them on the boobs hard like they are just a piece of fatty tissue! The bad part is some of these women are clearly trying to enjoy it, but you can tell they aren't. Maybe they are so high they are not even aware of whats going on. Seen many that look like that as well.

Now on to the next part. Yes I know alot of its "acting" and have seen the ones that "act" but some of these people look like they are really serious with their hitting in the faces and boobs. And I'm not meaning a little pop. Some of these thing I have seen I get a bad erie feeling about. Others don't seem so bad. Its like you can tell who is acting and who might be taking it a little to far.

So is the gagging till almost throwing up, boob and face smacking the new "in" thing? How many of you men are into this?

I asked the guy I was seeing if he was into this that he was watching? He said "maybe" I said well guess what, if you hold my head, to the point of where I can't pull away and at least breathe and I was gagging really bad until I almost got sick if I gave you a BJ, or smacked my boobs or face, you'd be picking your teeth up off the ground!

I don't like those kinds of things in porn either, I also don't like seeing women spit on a guy's **** or another woman's *****, and I don't like anal. I just find all these things to be a complete turn off. I guess since I'm a guy that might make me weird. But I'm not saying they're wrong, and I'm not a prude, I'd really love to experiment in the bedroom and have sex a lot if I had the opportunity.

[clv0116]

Originally Posted by Ross PK

.... I'd really love to experiment in the bedroom and have sex a lot if I had the opportunity.

Did your dick stop working or something?

[The Collector]

So is the gagging till almost throwing up, boob and face smacking the new "in" thing? How many of you men are into this?
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I don't like that sort of thing in my porn. It's not nice.

[jw90063]

Originally Posted by Juniper22

So is the gagging till almost throwing up, boob and face smacking the new "in" thing? How many of you men are into this?

Um, that sounds a little extreme. Gagging till and almost throwing up sounds disturbing and if that turns someone on.....

[Jersey Shortie]

Be careful, you might be turning them on right now with the little vomit emote.

I personally just have to wonder how far things will or have to escuate? I mean what's next? Punching women in the eye to get off? As if wanting to make them gag or hold their nose or smack them around isn't disturbing enough. But the men that are looking at this stuff are every day men who have wives, gfs, sisters, mother's and daughters. What does that say about men today.

[bank1260]

That's pretty sick. Not sure why any guy would be into making the woman he "loves" gag and smack her around. I know some women enjoy being spanked very hard to the point of having welts left on their ass, but I've never met a women that enjoys gagging on semen and receiving a beating.